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better hope TTBoy doesn't wake up one day and realize he might make more money on his own from his vast content library with a legal tube site with all exclusive content upselling cams, dating and other crap.
we will see that model tested - somebody with their own high quality exclusive content will go the tube route - legally - it's the way the Internet is going whether anybody likes it or not. I don't think the model will support somebody going out and producing expensive content for tube sites but for those that already have a big catalog - it might. |
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welcome back jay! :)
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- do you rather want to market the same thing to a targeted audience doing 1:350 and having a complete control over anyone that signs up or at 1:10 000 (hypothetic number) to people signing up for someone else's site, - that all with the COMPLETE oversaturation of porn on the web these days, do you want to push a tube site with your full length videos converting at 1:10 000 to someone else's site with an advertising budget comparable to pushing your paysite? -meaning this is not a customer you can further market to - where you rely on someone else to get paid - and where you can't ever ever get the potential customer back to the model that used to work before? Sorry, and excuse for a bit of simple math, this whole model of giving away the product for free is totally worthless and would never ever happen in any industry that is organized / unified. Let's also try to think this way: - There is a limited amount of surfers that are surfing porn / capable of paying and that we all can get for our paysites to pay for what they are actually finding worth paying to - out of this limited amount - every single day more and more are offered and reaching the free substitute - the demand is shrinking, there's practically no brand loyalty, there are no real alternative ways to market the video and it's producers ( where does a free view stand against VOD / subscription / pay per download etc.?) All of these illegal sites are stealing money from paysites and other affiliate marketers pushing paysites. Someone (advertisers), is practically financing these entities to steal traffic / potential customers from their competition to sign up for their own service, I don't actually find it right, although, of course it makes some sense. For one to achieve the most profit and market share, it's always way more convenient to crook than to behave "economically", unless ethics or more likely regulations are in place. |
nice post J
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Yo Jay, you shouldn't post less here. Whales and other smart people still read this board. It may not seem like it though, because it's the newbies, flamers, and haters who post the most. That's the reason why I pretty much never start business threads anymore. You always get some newbie who makes like $300/month in adult coming into the thread talking like he knows shit, thinking he knows everything of course, when in fact he has no idea who he's talking too or the company he's in.
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This could be a reason for more retarded webmasters. It leaves the newer guys fending for themselves trying to learn stuff. If you don't know someone who has been in it for a while, and knows some ins-and-outs, keeps a lot of webmasters at step 1. Just a thought. |
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It's statistically, mathematically, and logically impossible for even 2-3 of the largest tubes to reach 800+ sales/rebills a day. (really 1000's based on free signups too) For sure within the time frame that they have been around. |
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So whats happening here? Jay posted some shit then its 3 pages? About what?
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http://www.desertcuties.com/welcome.htm His name is Greg eh? Jenny, with all the money you're making (hik) I would think you can hire a real designer.. or at least someone like Headless.. |
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Wow. I learned a lot about a lot in this post. Great read and a great xxxjay contribution. and good contribution by everybody else.
Carry on. |
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Why do you always bring up Greg in a thread? You don't know him at all and he is not a designer. He also did just have that site rebuilt, but he does not like how the designer built it. I have a different designer then he does. Mine built and shot the pictures for Private Glamour. The new designer he is using is from here. He made a posting a few weeks ago and a few designers from here contacted him. You seem to worry an awful lot about what I do. Perhaps you should take that energy and focus it on your own work. :2 cents: |
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for $200 you could get that site cleaned up... i would be embarrassed to have something like that online... :2 cents: |
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http://www.desertcuties.com/images/g...up_r02_c06.jpg .. oh and I can tell he's not a designer. b the way, whats "memembers"? Does he studder or what? |
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A friend of ours did the design a while ago. Greg just had it rebuilt, but the designer made it look like a teen site. It has flowers and stuff like that. So the designer is reworking the design. Yeah I hate the look of that site. That is why I told him to have it rebuilt. Plus he added all of those damn banners on it, which will not be on the site when the new design goes up. |
FACT: People whining on message boards reduces your traffic by 0%.
Fuck the world. Get yours. Its the way of the industry. Always has been. Always will be. The End. |
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Just like network TV. It's a log way between here and there though. :2 cents: |
Wow...this thread had it all -- actual business talk, flames, drunk people, hot chicks, points, counterpoints, SEO tips, trolls, fights, and stats.
I'd hate to see it end here. There is still plenty of meat to bite on. |
good reading Jay. few good points.
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I was just thinking the same thing. Do you have any Jokes Jay? Im sure you have a few I have not heard, exclude Irish ones :1orglaugh heard them all. |
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Weeks go by and the sheep says "hey, i thought you were married?" The guy says "yes, but im not happy, she disgusts me" The sheep says, "i dont believe you, she cant be that bad?" So they go to the guys housse, where the wife is asleep in the bedroom The wife sits up and says"Dear where have you been?" The guys says "See this is the pig i screw when im not with you" The wife says "Dear, thats a sheep" The guy says "Thats who i was talking too" |
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Well said Jay.
I have some German Jager for you when we meet up next. |
I agree with everything you said in that post Jay.
Fuck the haters man. Don't let any of them get to you. You are very successful and if you let them they will try to make you fail, as many of them are right now. The time you have spent dealing with drama you could have spent it better suiting your company to earn more money. Don't let these people drag you into the shit again. You owe NOBODY an explanation of how and why you do things the way you do. If they don't like it, they can take their 1 sale every few days (if any at all) elsewhere. Rock on with your bad self Jay! |
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all we ever do is 50/50 and i have people that send 5 sales a month and get 15 rebills a month still. I am worming on pps so people can help me make more money too lol
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Almost 4 pages of stupid shit.
I read 3 posts so far in this thread and even those 3 that I read I regret it. I am just posting here because no one can get enough of Jay and what he has to say. I'll do a shot tonight for ya man! Way to kick in face Jay:) 1 post = 4 pages! So here's to Excellent ratio's! |
more jokes more jokes.. ;)
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Am I supposed to fold the 20 before I flush it? Mine just go around in circles in the bowl like a tiny paper surfer.
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The issue is there are a lot of webmasters that have no idea how sponsors earn money, the cost involved in running a program and paying webmasters. Many are so eager to jump on the bandwagon and bitch simply out of boredom or in an effort to gang up and feel they belong. Ignore the haters, they will always be there.
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