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budz 10-24-2008 11:53 PM

xxxjay is teh man..

yeah, I don't know him.. rofl

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:54 PM

Doc,

First, I actually read your blog a good bit and like it. You are a smart dood.

Here are my responses:

1. LOL...we link all of them.

2. Yeah, we do know how many times someone comes back. We've had guys sign up, quit, and come back because we actually DO UPDATE with new exclusive content twice daily, so they come back to see what's new. It's very ethnic / niche, so they come back in bigger number than do brobably your standard program.

3. I am pro-DRM but we all know it doesn't work and pisses off most surfers as much as anything alse. I really wish DRM worked better.

4. You are re-hashing everything I said at the end of my first post. The way the industry is set up is born-to-fail. I alone, nor you can change that.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
First, I actually read your blog a good bit and like it. You are a smart dood.

Thanks, it comes and goes... and thanks for reading the blog.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
1. LOL...we link all of them.

Oh I didn't see those... The important ones should be above the fold :) I never saw them, I just went to see what nudity it was thinking it was some gang bang or something, and saw the big enter button..

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
2. Yeah, we do know how many times someone comes back. We've had guys sign up, quit, and come back because we actually DO UPDATE with new exclusive content twice daily, so they come back to see what's new. It's very ethnic / niche, so they come back in bigger number than do brobably your standard program.

Less or no xsales, better support, better member attention (not always updates), will increase your return rate. The money increase, can be worth more than your xsales.

Check your site(s) across the review sites, look at the comments. It's a great way to see if you are pissing people off or not. I haven't checked your sites, but I do this to check sites before I push them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
3. I am pro-DRM but we all know it doesn't work and pisses off most surfers as much as anything alse. I really wish DRM worked better.

It works amazing now.. You can't even tell the vod sites have drm, it's seamless. You can also let them download. If they share it, you can make it have a promo.

DRM is far better than it was, much much better. And with the intro of flash and it's protection, it's getting even better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
4. You are re-hashing everything I said at the end of my first post. The way the industry is set up is bron-to-fail. I alone, nor you can change that.


I don't feel the industry is setup to fail. Lots of people are doing fine. They don't complain about tubes or piracy, they just see the numbers go up. Every industry has tons of illegal shit going on, no industry is clean, period.

The overall industry was going down in sales and global traffic 2 years, and for sure 1 year, before the first illegal tube came around. If you want to blame something or someone, blame 2257 - it's what statistically killed our industry.

I don't think having an xsale kills your business, but I do think playing around with shady xsales can for sure hurt you. I do think having 2 pre-checked xsales does remove a big part of your returns. Once a person is tricked - it's over.

It has to make you think, why isn't everyone falling?

xxxjay 10-25-2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949228)
It has to make you think, why isn't everyone falling?

Dating and Cams are flourishing at the expense of content owners. Who knows, maybe filmed porn (as we know it) is just on the way out.

I don't think you wlll find anyone in the paysite game that will tell you they are doing as good now as they were a years ago.

Some might, but they are probably lying.

I'm going to take another look at DRM. It's been a minute.

Do you have a solution you prefer?

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:26 AM

Not just dating and cams are doing good, even though they are kicking ass in the global theft ring.

And I don't think we will find anyone that has been around for anytime, say it's "better" today. You will find people that have had the biggest months this year, largest year so far, and biggest sales and rebills days.

Just because our Eco is crashing around us, doesn't mean tubes and morons are putting us out of business.

A business or Industry, doesn't have to always be growing or expanding. Which overall our industry isn't doing either of right now, but it doesn't have to. As long as it doesn't stop, which it won't.

Like this big stock market drop, is a good thing. Our Industry about to fold up and die, people selling out, people leaving out really fast.. It's going to suck for a bit - but it's a good thing.

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

xxxjay 10-25-2008 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949267)

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949288)
We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

My webmaster theory :)

The loss of Webmasters after 2257, is what we are seeing today. Back then we easily had 20,000 more Webmasters (I'm being very nice by saying 20k)... In short, this would create major global porn traffic. From email spam, forums, social sites, chat rooms, exits, every place on the 'net.. The more Webmasters we have, the of everything they are doing, the more traffic we all have to play with.

1000 webmasters will get more traffic than 100, but the 100 may be smarter.
100,000 would create so much traffic from so many different locations, our industry would rocket back to where it was.

My "hope" is the Dems win, back off porn. Eco goes to turn around, Internet gets kicking really good again because people have money. Since millions need jobs, well - maybe we will get our base of traffic back :)

If we just had 5,000 more Webmasters hitting the social networks, across a huge mixture of programs.. man we would have some serious global traffic gains.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 01:00 AM

g-nite - head hit the keyboard

grumpy 10-25-2008 01:52 AM

I won the bet.
Your back posting within 7 days :)

V_RocKs 10-25-2008 01:57 AM

Pornhub takes in $400,000 every two weeks...

Look at your own bandwidth model and tell me if they are going to implode.

V_RocKs 10-25-2008 02:03 AM

BTW, that was a serious question.

stickyfingerz 10-25-2008 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 14949088)
I always wondered about those embed and object tags. I used to think they had no value, but these days it just might. While the engines can't read what the tags are, they can certainly see its taking a lot of space on a page and might consider it as a backlink since it has value to the webmaster to put it on a page. You never know with these things until you experiment with it.
WG

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949110)
From all that I've seen from looking at Google stats is google knows what is in the <object> (as far as type of media) and not much else.

I could be totally wrong.

Keep talking... Most I've got out of WG yet hehe. Dixie says Hi Charles btw. :)

munki 10-25-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949288)
We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

troof...

last thing needed right now is more fucktwats watering down an already unstable yet extremely juvenile industry.

stickyfingerz 10-25-2008 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949267)
Not just dating and cams are doing good, even though they are kicking ass in the global theft ring.

And I don't think we will find anyone that has been around for anytime, say it's "better" today. You will find people that have had the biggest months this year, largest year so far, and biggest sales and rebills days.

Just because our Eco is crashing around us, doesn't mean tubes and morons are putting us out of business.

A business or Industry, doesn't have to always be growing or expanding. Which overall our industry isn't doing either of right now, but it doesn't have to. As long as it doesn't stop, which it won't.

Like this big stock market drop, is a good thing. Our Industry about to fold up and die, people selling out, people leaving out really fast.. It's going to suck for a bit - but it's a good thing.

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

Switch to a streaming only model. People need to take a look at the online video rental places in the mainstream. Im personally running all our HD sites streaming only via encrypted streams h264 .mp4's via flash media 3 servers. No buffer instant playback anywhere in the video. On top of that I have a way I can limit screencap recording of our vids. Running those vids off Cavecreek CDN. Can't be happier.

thebossxxx 10-25-2008 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben (Post 14949017)
95% of the people giving you shit wish they could be you

agreed! :thumbsup

martinsc 10-25-2008 02:49 AM

too late for a spot sig?

ContentSHOOTER 10-25-2008 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949092)
bitch i fucked hotter hoes in romania than your vajayjay could touch, do the world a fucking favor and smile in half of your pics, god mothafukkin damn pizda

Tell us how you really feel:1orglaugh, personally she dose does nothing for me:2 cents:

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949530)
Tell us how you really feel:1orglaugh, personally she dose does nothing for me:2 cents:


First off he already apologized for his comments. I could care less if I do nothing for you. The brunette you posted pictures of does thing for me at all. She is not even cute. Hell I am not even a photographer and I can shoot better pictures than you. For shooting content for 10 years you should be half as good as Dean Capture. :2 cents::2 cents:

ContentSHOOTER 10-25-2008 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949540)
First off already apologized for his comments. ould care less if I do nothing for you. The brunette you posted pictures of does thing for me at all. She is not even cute. Hell Hooters has been looking women that that chick. :2 cents::2 cents:

YOUR STILL THE ULTIMATE SLUT:1orglaugh

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949545)
YOUR STILL THE ULTIMATE SLUT:1orglaugh

You still can't shoot content worth shit. Being called a slut is no biggie when you work in adult. Trying to pass your shit off as content is funny as hell. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ContentSHOOTER 10-25-2008 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949548)
You still can't shoot content worth shit. Being called a slut is no biggie when you work in adult. Trying to pass your shit off as content is funny as hell. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

WOW THAT REALLY HURT:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Mutt 10-25-2008 03:08 AM

better hope TTBoy doesn't wake up one day and realize he might make more money on his own from his vast content library with a legal tube site with all exclusive content upselling cams, dating and other crap.

we will see that model tested - somebody with their own high quality exclusive content will go the tube route - legally - it's the way the Internet is going whether anybody likes it or not. I don't think the model will support somebody going out and producing expensive content for tube sites but for those that already have a big catalog - it might.

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949551)
WOW THAT REALLY HURT:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It is a fact. If that is the quality of content you provide after being in the industry for 10 years, you need help. I know photographers that shoot better content that have only been doing it three or fours years. Laugh all you want but your content speaks for itself. :2 cents:

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949545)
YOUR STILL THE ULTIMATE SLUT:1orglaugh

You are dumb as hell and can't spell either. It is you're, not your. You can't spell or shoot content to save your life. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

seeandsee 10-25-2008 03:20 AM

check my sig

WiredGuy 10-25-2008 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14949460)
Keep talking... Most I've got out of WG yet hehe. Dixie says Hi Charles btw. :)

lol, Hi :)
WG

Oracle Porn 10-25-2008 04:06 AM

welcome back jay! :)

xxxjay 10-25-2008 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14949433)
Pornhub takes in $400,000 every two weeks...

Look at your own bandwidth model and tell me if they are going to implode.

800,000$ a month net. No way. What's your source on that?

BVF 10-25-2008 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949078)
How about a picture of Kristina and I? I am looking over the set.

http://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/...2288da716c.jpg

I went to your site....You have a nice little tush on you...You should show more of that on your tour...

CarlosTheGaucho 10-25-2008 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14949556)
better hope TTBoy doesn't wake up one day and realize he might make more money on his own from his vast content library with a legal tube site with all exclusive content upselling cams, dating and other crap.

we will see that model tested - somebody with their own high quality exclusive content will go the tube route - legally - it's the way the Internet is going whether anybody likes it or not. I don't think the model will support somebody going out and producing expensive content for tube sites but for those that already have a big catalog - it might.

- producing content and its promotion / bandwith and all other stuff actually still costs money

- do you rather want to market the same thing to a targeted audience doing 1:350 and having a complete control over anyone that signs up or at 1:10 000 (hypothetic number) to people signing up for someone else's site,

- that all with the COMPLETE oversaturation of porn on the web these days, do you want to push a tube site with your full length videos converting at 1:10 000 to someone else's site with an advertising budget comparable to pushing your paysite?

-meaning this is not a customer you can further market to

- where you rely on someone else to get paid

- and where you can't ever ever get the potential customer back to the model that used to work before?

Sorry, and excuse for a bit of simple math, this whole model of giving away the product for free is totally worthless and would never ever happen in any industry that is organized / unified.

Let's also try to think this way:

- There is a limited amount of surfers that are surfing porn / capable of paying and that we all can get for our paysites to pay for what they are actually finding worth paying to

- out of this limited amount - every single day more and more are offered and reaching the free substitute

- the demand is shrinking, there's practically no brand loyalty, there are no real alternative ways to market the video and it's producers ( where does a free view stand against VOD / subscription / pay per download etc.?)

All of these illegal sites are stealing money from paysites and other affiliate marketers pushing paysites.

Someone (advertisers), is practically financing these entities to steal traffic / potential customers from their competition to sign up for their own service, I don't actually find it right, although, of course it makes some sense.

For one to achieve the most profit and market share, it's always way more convenient to crook than to behave "economically", unless ethics or more likely regulations are in place.

Pete-KT 10-25-2008 08:48 AM

nice post J

escorpio 10-25-2008 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14948684)
All that aside, if it were up to me, this is how adult online will work:[/B]

1. All the illegal tubes site would go away.
2. Xsales would go away.
3. Payouts would be 50/50 revshare.
4. People would be go back to paying for content like they used to!

I wish it were up to you. It sucks this industry has gotten so far off track due to blind greed.

CaptainHowdy 10-25-2008 09:26 AM

Too late sig spot ...

escorpio 10-25-2008 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by contentshooter (Post 14949545)
your still the ultimate slut:1orglaugh

sluts rule!

SomeCreep 10-25-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14949433)
Pornhub takes in $400,000 every two weeks...

Can you elaborate on how you arrived at that number?

SomeCreep 10-25-2008 09:39 AM

Yo Jay, you shouldn't post less here. Whales and other smart people still read this board. It may not seem like it though, because it's the newbies, flamers, and haters who post the most. That's the reason why I pretty much never start business threads anymore. You always get some newbie who makes like $300/month in adult coming into the thread talking like he knows shit, thinking he knows everything of course, when in fact he has no idea who he's talking too or the company he's in.

Phil 10-25-2008 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949575)
You are dumb as hell

How rhetoric.. :1orglaugh

Supz 10-25-2008 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14950160)
Yo Jay, you shouldn't post less here. Whales and other smart people still read this board. It may not seem like it though, because it's the newbies, flamers, and haters who post the most. That's the reason why I pretty much never start business threads anymore. You always get some newbie who makes like $300/month in adult coming into the thread talking like he knows shit, thinking he knows everything of course, when in fact he has no idea who he's talking too or the company he's in.

As a fairly new webmaster I can see this happening and wish it didn't. A lot of times threads that start out informative, I think I might be able to take something out of it, and then they turn into non-sense in no time.

This could be a reason for more retarded webmasters. It leaves the newer guys fending for themselves trying to learn stuff. If you don't know someone who has been in it for a while, and knows some ins-and-outs, keeps a lot of webmasters at step 1.

Just a thought.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14949433)
Pornhub takes in $400,000 every two weeks...

Look at your own bandwidth model and tell me if they are going to implode.

I can only assume, and only because it's you.. That this is some type of sarcastic joke.

It's statistically, mathematically, and logically impossible for even 2-3 of the largest tubes to reach 800+ sales/rebills a day. (really 1000's based on free signups too) For sure within the time frame that they have been around.

JaneB 10-25-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 14949772)
I went to your site....You have a nice little tush on you...You should show more of that on your tour...

Thanks. I am going to have a tour page added. The original designer didn't leave much room for a tour.


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