Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14950160)

Yo Jay, you shouldn't post less here. Whales and other smart people still read this board. It may not seem like it though, because it's the newbies, flamers, and haters who post the most. That's the reason why I pretty much never start business threads anymore. You always get some newbie who makes like $300/month in adult coming into the thread talking like he knows shit, thinking he knows everything of course, when in fact he has no idea who he's talking too or the company he's in.

Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14950673)

Thanks. I am going to have a tour page added. The original designer didn't leave much room for a tour.

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14950787)

is it the same designer who did this crap?
http://www.desertcuties.com/welcome.htm

His name is Greg eh?

Jenny, with all the money you're making (hik) I would think you can hire a real designer.. or at least someone like Headless..

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14950787)

is it the same designer who did this crap?
http://www.desertcuties.com/welcome.htm

Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14950965)

Why do you always bring up Greg in a thread? You don't know him at all and he is not a designer. He also did just have that site rebuilt, but he does not like how the designer built it. I have a different designer then he does. Mine built and shot the pictures for Private Glamour.

The new designer he is using is from here. He made a posting a few weeks ago and a few designers from here contacted him. You seem to worry an awful lot about what I do. Perhaps you should take that energy and focus it on your own work. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14951040)

wow, that site is horrible.. even spelled members wrong...

for $200 you could get that site cleaned up...

i would be embarrassed to have something like that online... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14951233)

what are you talking about? when do i "always" bring him up. the only reason I mentioned his name is because he even named files with his name
http://www.desertcuties.com/images/g...up_r02_c06.jpg
.. oh and I can tell he's not a designer.

b the way, whats "memembers"? Does he studder or what?

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14949556)

better hope TTBoy doesn't wake up one day and realize he might make more money on his own from his vast content library with a legal tube site with all exclusive content upselling cams, dating and other crap.

we will see that model tested - somebody with their own high quality exclusive content will go the tube route - legally - it's the way the Internet is going whether anybody likes it or not. I don't think the model will support somebody going out and producing expensive content for tube sites but for those that already have a big catalog - it might.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14951724)

Wow...this thread had it all -- actual business talk, flames, drunk people, hot chicks, points, counterpoints, SEO tips, trolls, fights, and stats.

I'd hate to see it end here. There is still plenty of meat to bite on.

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 14951790)

I was just thinking the same thing.


Do you have any Jokes Jay? Im sure you have a few I have not heard, exclude Irish ones :1orglaugh heard them all.

Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14951265)

This is the third time you have brought him up in a thread. He does not do anything on my website except edit and logo video's for me. I own my website, I picked the designer who built it, and I do everything on it but the video's. Any time my website is mentioned in the last few weeks you bring up Greg. My site was built by Phil Weber. He will be making some changes on it to make it how I want it to look. As for Greg, he did have that site rebuilt but the new design needs some things changed. If you want to know why he names his files the way he does, ask him. He also did not do the design that is on there now. A friend did it. As for as I know Joe who did that design does not studder. You can e-mail your questions to [email protected] and I am sure he will be more than happy to answer them.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14948684)

I spent about an hour composing this for another board about why I'm reducing my posting here. I think it's pretty clear and concise, and if you actually have a brain - it gives you something to think about. Not that I care what the trolls have to say, but they are good at making your day stressful with their nonsense. This is not drama, it's a drama-killer and should fall of the first page quickly for sure!

1. Don't tell me how to run my business and I won't tell you how to run yours (if you have any). Somebody bitched about nudity on the OCCash.com page on another board. Does pornhub have a warning page? Go bug them. Fight the real fight.

2. As was stated in another thread earlier by my business partner: We've been tweaking the xsales for the last 6 months...above the submit, below the submit, and variety of text schemes. It made 5% difference overall. 5%!!! After all of this fussing on the boards - IT WAS 5%! Now, they are clearly above the submit and with the prices! Surfers get emails with a username, password, cancel links, and number for our support (and always have). Even if they are drunk and didn't see them, we have 24/7 support and gladly will refund without question!!! END OF STORY! Did it ever occur to anyone that people that some surfers take the free offers for other sites, check them out, and then cancel? Belive it or not, it does happen...MORE TIMES THAN NOT! REPEAT FROM LAST THREAD: Look how are xsales are set up now...that is how they will be set up from now and ever and ever. AMEN! This is a dead issue.

3. Did it also ever occur to you guys that you can't fight every single fight you disagree with? It is impossible to separate yourself from everything you find distasteful in this very small industry! The best thing you can do is run your fucking business the best you can and try not to worry too much about what everyone else is doing! I REPEAT: THERE IS NO WAY TO ENTIRELY REMOVE YOURSELF FROM EVERYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH!! I don't care if it's AFF, zango, xsales, popups, or content that offends you! This is ADULT! This is not a chairity. This is an impluse transaction. This is, "Hey do you want to go in the VIP room?" type shit. IE: Adult Entertainment! It is amazing how many people forget that! There is one processor that is refusing to do business with people that have merchant accounts. It's their world, are just just living in it - FINE! BUT... at the same time they do transactions for programs that own tube sites, steal content, and use it to create sales and traffic for their own sites. I could pull a George Bush and "You an either you are with the terrorists or against them?" Sure! If I wanted to scream and whine that what they are doing isn't fair I guess I could, but rather than tell them how to do their business, I just do what I can to control the flood of our content onto the tube sites and do business with their competitor.

4. Do you know what the #1 thing that has stunted OCCash's growth over the years? The fact that we've remained revshare for so long! After hearing just as much screaming and whining about the revshare model, we finally went PPS. To go PPS and pay $35 on a 1$ trial we needed xsales. Remember, we are paying our 35x what your initial transaction is (actually 70x when you take our processing). We update with exclusive content twice a day. We have higher than normal content costs because we actually have product, but wait...here is the really funny part...FAST FORWARD TO 2008: OPEN UP THE LATEST AVNONLINE AND READ "THE THE GOSPAL ACCORDING TO..." SECTION: OCCASH IS IN THE TOP 10 EARNERS OF ALL PROGRAMS FOR EVERY PERSON THAT POSTED THEIR STATS! That?s because they were patient and didn?t make a run for the fast money and let the rebills grow! Adult online is all about the rebills!

The way this industry is set up: IT IS BUILT TO FAIL! Everybody wants the highest payout, but they don't want you to actually be able to make money in order to pay them. As programs, we are at the top of the food chain, if we aren't making money, how can we be paying it?

Jesus?THINK, THINK, THINK!

All that aside, if it were up to me, this is how adult online will work:

1. All the illegal tubes site would go away.
2. Xsales would go away.
3. Payouts would be 50/50 revshare.
4. People would be go back to paying for content like they used to!

That's a business plan that is built to succeed and that is what I'm in favor of. Till then you just have to adapt and do what you can to get by.

If you actually read this whole post...congratulations: YOUR IQ JUST WENT UP 10 POINTS!

IF NOT: Now flush a 20 dollar bill down the toilet!

Just my 3 cents!

Jay

Originally Posted by BobG (Post 14952014)

Amen :thumbsup

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14951936)

you are mental. I have no idea who greg is. show me those threads where I "brought" his name in?

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 14950160)

Yo Jay, you shouldn't post less here. Whales and other smart people still read this board. It may not seem like it though, because it's the newbies, flamers, and haters who post the most.

That's the reason why I pretty much never start business threads anymore. You always get some newbie who makes like $300/month in adult coming into the thread talking like he knows shit, thinking he knows everything of course, when in fact he has no idea who he's talking too or the company he's in.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14952032)

Tony Testa actually recommended you guys as a sponsor. I'm going to check it out.

Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14952133)

Haha. I am mental because you talk about a person you don't know. If you don't know who Greg is then why do you even bring him up at all? You can go and look up the threads yourself where you mention him. It will give you something to do since you are so bored you have to always to put your nose into what I am doing. Damn you are a GFY stalker. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14952351)

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 14952761)

Here's a quick yes or no question for you.

There are some people here who insist that you, in fact, greased up your butt cheeks and went squealing to the mods to ban Franck's most recent nick.

Meanwhile, there are others who would have us believe that you do indeed have a pair of balls and that you would, therefore, never do any such thing.

Now, for he record, yes or no, which one is it??

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14952774)

Who cares either way? If some asshat was giving me a hard time non-stop and I had the ability to have him canned, I'd do the same thing. It's called business. If OC Cash is an advertiser here and someone is attacking them, the board is going to protect its advertisers. End of story.

GFY is a business. It earns money by selling ad space. If they have to ban some shits here or there to protect those advertisers, so be it.

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 14952791)

I suppose it all depends on what sort of image you want to present.

Then again, we don't know that the guy wussed out... maybe he didn't.

What say he?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949150)

The tube argument is an excuse, and it's bullshit. Piracy has been around far before tubes, and the real piracy ring, is still larger than tubes.

Tubes provide something surfers didn't have before, saying you need to adapt isn't about dealing with tube piracy. It's about learning....

Have you not noticed these programs pushing hard xsales, lots of upsells, really don't offer one-on-one member love, most have crap support.
These are the programs trying everything right now before they finally shit out.

Originally Posted by GUNNER (Post 14953921)

although their certainly

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 14952774)

Who cares either way? If some asshat was giving me a hard time non-stop and I had the ability to have him canned, I'd do the same thing. It's called business. If OC Cash is an advertiser here and someone is attacking them, the board is going to protect its advertisers. End of story.

GFY is a business. It earns money by selling ad space. If they have to ban some shits here or there to protect those advertisers, so be it.

Originally Posted by GUNNER (Post 14953921)

Like many others, I also read your blog and agree with a lot of what you have to say. It's very informative and I learn something every time I visit. Thank you.


No offense, I just wanted to respectfully disagree with this one point. I was completely with you on this post up until the tubes and piracy comment. Tube traffic/sites are most definitely a problem and although their certainly not the only factor contributing to a decline in sales, I do think they are a valid reason - not just an excuse.

Yes, it's true piracy has been around far before tubes, and it was rampant in many different forms. However, what tubes have done, in my opinion, is remove ALL of the technical barriers from accessing pirated content, and made the delivery method equally or even more attractive than conventional paysites.

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.


After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load

Originally Posted by GUNNER (Post 14953921)

Before tubes:
Downloading and installing a file-sharing program or a newsgroup reader, and then spend hours learning how to operate said programs or system. Risk getting infected, bogus, or low-quality files. Risk being targeted by some piracy sting operation or have to worry about taking your PC, laptop in for repairs because you have illegal software installed. Very difficult to organize or access the exact type of files you're looking for because so much of the content is incorrectly named or intentionally mislalbeled.


After tubes:
Click play - watch high-quality porn for free - shoot yer load