BTW, those mediums of piracy died as as new or better technology replaced them. The people moved to the next best thing.

And over and over, today that brings us to tubes. Like any piracy, if you show people they can pirate, they will. That doesn't mean people that pirate don't purchase memberships, music, or movies.

Because that is utter and total bullshit.

Yes, some people will never buy again, just like some will only ever buy porn. We have every person in the middle, people that have plenty money to buy and people that are broke, that buy.

For tubes having all that free porn, the magically produce sales. Most of the bigger tubes have employees too, so they must be making some money from all those free loading piracy loving no porn membership buying surfers..

I agree with this 100%.

Even worse, the tube thing makes money on your stolen content, where the newgroups was just a few geeks swapping porn.

Newsgroups are owned/controlled/cleaned by humans. I assume you don't think they did it just to collect porn?

It wasn't a few... I have never, even from day one, seen a Gallery Post push 100+ sales a day to a single site or total of hundreds of sales daily, with only two hours of work.

Now they suck..but still produce some sales, but they were once far from small.

I'd say only about 5% of computer users are or ever have been newgroup savvy, plus they don't collect income from ad revenue.

I remember posting a waterwarked picture and being able to make sales back in the day. Good on your for taking advantage of that. Most folks ain't that bright.

when I was a webmaster thats where I started - news groups. It was almost like SE today. Good description and pictures. bam.. you got traffic..

Before the current Internet, was newsgroups :)

They made money in lots of ways. You could prepay for listings, you sometimes had to pay to access large servers/groups, the mods would upload/control what they wanted - and not allow the same sponsors they pushed.

If you wanted information, it wasn't like today, online, but it was on the newsgroups. All colleges, all classes, most companies, all techs, anyone actually looking for info, went to the newsgroups to find it. Every paper, document, porn, movie, picture, music, story, joke, game, everything was on the newsgroups.

Online dating, personal trading, selling items, ect.. didn't start with all these people that like to claim ownership, it started within the newsgroups and even in the BBS days.

Some of the first ISP's, actually most... the newsgroup setup was part of the default setup information for the ISP's. They often had newsgroups for support, setup details, and local meeting places.

Before mass download software hit the main Internet, it was written for newsgroups. The first mass spamming software I ever saw, used or have still heard of today, was written for newsgroups. Well before the first mass mailing software was written.


Just like everything else online, and tubes today, as the next best thing came out, people moved.

I can tell you how to beat tubes. You need to create a better way to get people porn, faster. Not cheaper - faster. XML/RSS feed your updates straight to peoples PC's, now they don't even have to surf the net to get daily/fresh updates, pushed/published, directly on a PC, zero second updates, don't even have to click a button.

Right on Jay, as always much respect for a straight-up business man! Heh, stumbled across my old Free Jay T-shirt from the CJ days last week!

Good post Jay. I've promoted OCCash since the day it opened. JC wrote me an email before the door was even open officially and I started promoting the program. Great content and good people.

Jay and JC and good people with a great program. If you are not promoting OCcash, you should be.

Happy Sunday

Well said Jay. Too many people spend way too much time in this business worrying about what everyone else is doing instead of taking care of business. As usual, right on the money.

LOL...I don't even have one of those! I need a new one.

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