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Tat2Jr 10-28-2008 05:54 PM

No way. Can't even come close to someone who truly knows/loves the niche they are filming. Doesn't mean that they can't make some money off it, but it won't be "right" to the true fetish lover.

I can spot "fake" panty fetish (and a few others) a mile away. I can fake my way through a fetish shoot that I don't understand, but I know someone out there is on to me - no matter how well I "research" it.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr (Post 14966266)
No way. Can't even come close to someone who truly knows/loves the niche they are filming. Doesn't mean that they can't make some money off it, but it won't be "right" to the true fetish lover.

I can spot "fake" panty fetish (and a few others) a mile away. I can fake my way through a fetish shoot that I don't understand, but I know someone out there is on to me - no matter how well I "research" it.

That is kind of what I am getting at. Not so much just me and shooting feet.

What I mean is, can 'just anybody' jump into a niche they do not understand and make a serious play in that niche? Just by, "doing some research", as mentioned a few times above.

I am not saying you can't get close enough to maybe convert some sales. Or catch those who are kinda into something, and hardcore, etc. Like those who are 90% hardcore lovers, and like a lick of hot toes. But not true fetishists...

That is not what I am getting at. I am also not saying, I or foot fetish folk, are the only one's who can shoot quality foot porn. Nor, that Gunn and the premiere photographers can't shoot it and that it be good.

Take the personal b.s. out of this. Very simple, straight forward, question.

I know for myself, I can not shoot other niches. I really have no clue what makes tits, assholes, blondes, babe, or just solo naked girls sell. I have seen thousands of clips and pictures over the years and still do not have a clue. I only know, and shoot, what appeals to me.

From the feedback in customers and members. It shows crystal clear. Which is why we have a solid customer base of return members, and buyers. Whether for our standard, or custom work.

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966303)
t.

That is not what I am getting at. I am also not saying, I or foot fetish folk, are the only one's who can shoot quality foot porn. Nor, that Gunn and the premiere photographers can't shoot it and that it be good.

I know for myself, I can not shoot other niches. I really have no clue what makes tits, assholes, blondes, babe, or just solo naked girls sell. I have seen thousands of clips and pictures over the years and still do not have a clue. I only know, and shoot, what appeals to me.

From the feedback in customers and members. It shows crystal clear. Which is why we have a solid customer base of return members, and buyers. Whether for our standard, or custom work.

having the fetish really helps. that's what's going to make you spend the time to 'hone your craft' I sure don't believe that everyone with 'your particular fetish' wants to see 'exactly' what you do. however I do believe that shooting what you like helps you understand what others like and that reading member feedback broadens your perspective on the fetish, giving you a better understanding of your own needs as well as others.

just like anything, time spent equals results. there's no magic secret at work here. I like solo girl and I spend hours and hours looking at and thinking about solo girls.

I like 'relationships and spend hours and hours visualizing and looking at relationship images.

I love panties and spend the appropriate amount of time investigating panties.

I also spend time viewing BG sex images because that's my job however I try and bring my hard earned 'relationship' sensibilities into it, and hopefully it shows in my work.

everything in life must be earned at some point, and wanting to earn it sure helps :)

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14966418)
I love panties and spend the appropriate amount of time investigating panties.

Serving up the panty fetish since 1999!
:winkwink:

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966454)
Serving up the panty fetish since 1999!
:winkwink:


show me your sites. btw I'm 20 years older than you, you figure to still be fixated on feet in 20 years? me personally I can get all fucked up just thinking about the word 'she or her' :) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14966504)
show me your sites. btw I'm 20 years older than you, you figure to still be fixated on feet in 20 years? me personally I can get all fucked up just thinking about the word 'she or her' :) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

I am not looking for a new photographer, or producer.

Ive been fixated on feet for most of the 36 years of my life.

Why would it change in the second half?

xenigo 10-28-2008 07:22 PM

Everyone told me that if I wasn't gay, I could not succeed shooting gay porn. Well I've done great with it for years and my site members love the stuff I've done - I've never had problems making sales.

Now let me give you a bit of a contrast. There was this gay guy I used to know who told me that I wouldn't know what to do (because I'm not gay...) And he offered to come and instruct me and give me "tips"... Right. Anyway, the stuff I've shot since the very first day I started shooting has blown away most producers gay content by a large margin. I attribute my success to simply being intuitive with my understanding of what people want to see.

If you're smart and know how to use your brain - you can come up with great content.

fuzebox 10-28-2008 07:24 PM

I don't think that any producer can just pick up a camera and start shooting a new fetish, but I do believe that anyone can film good fetish content after putting in some time to research the niche and what people who are into the niche want.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 07:37 PM

Interesting feedback.

MikeSmoke 10-28-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 14966206)
I wouldn't say that any producer could do a good job of filming any and every niche that they weren't into, but many of the talented ones could if they were really motivated to learn.

Bingo. And it's not worth it to most of the talented ones to learn - they can make a lot more money shooting what they know without having to go through a learning curve.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 07:46 PM

Fiddy foot lovers...

One thing touched on above in regards to foot fetish.

If you are a content producers and think ALL foot fetish folk are into ..

1. Soles
2. Socks
3. Dirty feet
4. Sub and dom foot worship only.
5. Only male and female
6. Only female and female
7. Footjobs
8. Naked, sex, hardcore, topless, toys
9. Stockings
10. Always painted toes. Always unpainted toes.

Then you do not grasp the concept.

That was just a short list. I can think of another couple of dozen easily that break into all kinds of sub niches of foot fetish.

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966656)
Fiddy foot lovers...

One thing touched on above in regards to foot fetish.

If you are a content producers and think ALL foot fetish folk are into ..

1. Soles
2. Socks
3. Dirty feet
4. Sub and dom foot worship only.
5. Only male and female
6. Only female and female
7. Footjobs
8. Naked, sex, hardcore, topless, toys
9. Stockings
10. Always painted toes. Always unpainted toes.

Then you do not grasp the concept.

That was just a short list. I can think of another couple of dozen easily that break into all kinds of sub niches of foot fetish.

all the foot 'fetish' I've seen in person has been worship, however I wouldn't think that that is the totality of foot 'fixation'.

I ALWAYS look at women's feet. love open toe shoes.. . do I have a foot fixation? ? nope.

one thing I do know about fetishist, from my personal experience, is that they are for the most part 'elitist' $.02

fuzebox 10-28-2008 08:06 PM

You forgot my favorite, trampling!

Grapesoda 10-28-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 14966716)
You forgot my favorite, trampling!

I see a lot of that on-line, stomping 'little men'

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 14966716)
You forgot my favorite, trampling!

trampling bm bradley's privates?
:winkwink:

msdriven79 10-28-2008 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966656)
Fiddy foot lovers...

One thing touched on above in regards to foot fetish.

If you are a content producers and think ALL foot fetish folk are into ..

1. Soles
2. Socks
3. Dirty feet
4. Sub and dom foot worship only.
5. Only male and female
6. Only female and female
7. Footjobs
8. Naked, sex, hardcore, topless, toys
9. Stockings
10. Always painted toes. Always unpainted toes.

Then you do not grasp the concept.

That was just a short list. I can think of another couple of dozen easily that break into all kinds of sub niches of foot fetish.

Exactly. I like to see hot girls getting fucked with no shoes and pretty feet but only missionary style or hot girls getting fucked with shoes but it's got be that milf-style high heels. That's somehow foot fetish but your sites would be too extreme for me. I guess that would be micro-niche.

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by msdriven79 (Post 14966830)
That's somehow foot fetish but your sites would be too extreme for me. I guess that would be micro-niche.

Then Vivid, and BRO foot fetish type sites would be right up your alley.

They might throw in a licking of the sole for a split second to throw you into convulsions.

:1orglaugh

tony286 10-28-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 14966206)
I wouldn't say that any producer could do a good job of filming any and every niche that they weren't into, but many of the talented ones could if they were really motivated to learn. I have a few fetishes myself so I tend to indulge them in my own movies. I would tend to gravitate towards certain niches that I liked if I was going to film some niche videos. If I got hired to film something that I wasn't particularly into like foot fetish, and I did my research, I have confidence that I could do a great job with it. The only things I wouldn't even attempt to film would be gay porn, she-males, or cigarette smoking videos. I just don't wanna be in the room for those!

I thought you created the bung hole boys series staring gay smoking star Nick O' teen. lol

Barefootsies 10-28-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14966852)
I thought you created the bung hole boys series staring gay smoking star Nick O' teen. lol

:1orglaugh:Oh crap:disgust:upsidedow

Va2k 10-28-2008 08:58 PM

Don't forget arches, small feet big feet, short nails LONG nails, Toe rings, Anklets, Dirty feet, smelly feet is a big one * not for me My dawgs have to smell good * Then you can get into flip flops sandals etc.. the list can go on and on and on lol IMO you can tell a lot from a women how she takes care of herself, if her feet are well taken care of then 9 out of 10 times she is a clean person..

jtpornstar 10-28-2008 11:32 PM

A "good" photographer is one that would research a niche first, submit to the eyes of those who understand it, and take on board all advice and info to produce targeted material containing all the necessary "triggers". But whether he has to be "into" the fetish/niche himself in order to understand it is another question.
Oh.....and the answer is "No" he doesn't.

MikeSmoke 10-29-2008 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jtpornstar (Post 14967290)
A "good" photographer is one that would research a niche first, submit to the eyes of those who understand it, and take on board all advice and info to produce targeted material containing all the necessary "triggers". But whether he has to be "into" the fetish/niche himself in order to understand it is another question.
Oh.....and the answer is "No" he doesn't.

True...BUT...he has to be willing to put the time and effort into research and learning, and be willing to do a number of "free" test shoots (because in my experience, the first five shoots, at the very least, aren't going to hit the mark) before being able to expect any return. And most really good shooters have enough work in their own areas of expertise that they don't need to do that.......

StariaDaniel 10-29-2008 01:13 AM

Well i guess it's impossible to be able to shoot ANY niche ... but we've over 30 niches to feed, and we're working on another 5-10. It's also impossible our photo-/videographers are into all of these :D

I think it's always a lot of research, speaking to the community, asking people with these fetishes what they want to see. Anyway, when we start shooting a new niche, the first shootings are always "unperfect" - getting better after the first 2 or 3 shootings.

So ... i doubt that there's any producer, who's shooting a niche for the first time brings up a perfect high-end work (not speaking of technical image quality, but speaking of focus, perspective, etc.) ...

Of course there may be photographers that are around for several years who are able to shoot 20-40-50-100 niches - simply based on their experience - but not "all" niches ...

Sarah_Jayne 10-29-2008 03:49 AM

I have ordered exclusive content on very specific foot niches from people that didn't specialize in that content. It came out okay when they were willing to listen to my directions and get the shots I asked for. If they didn't listen then it didn't work. That said, when I ordered from somebody who I knew totally understood the niche it was obviously better content.

Sarah_Jayne 10-29-2008 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14966656)
Fiddy foot lovers...

One thing touched on above in regards to foot fetish.

If you are a content producers and think ALL foot fetish folk are into ..

1. Soles
2. Socks
3. Dirty feet
4. Sub and dom foot worship only.
5. Only male and female
6. Only female and female
7. Footjobs
8. Naked, sex, hardcore, topless, toys
9. Stockings
10. Always painted toes. Always unpainted toes.

Then you do not grasp the concept.

That was just a short list. I can think of another couple of dozen easily that break into all kinds of sub niches of foot fetish.

Don't try to educate publicly too much ..share the secrets for those of us that do the work in the niche and get it. Make others do a bit of the work too and enjoy your advantage.

Barefootsies 10-29-2008 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 14967922)
I have ordered exclusive content on very specific foot niches from people that didn't specialize in that content. It came out okay when they were willing to listen to my directions and get the shots I asked for. If they didn't listen then it didn't work. That said, when I ordered from somebody who I knew totally understood the niche it was obviously better content.

Good stuff

vidvicious 10-29-2008 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 14966586)
I don't think that any producer can just pick up a camera and start shooting a new fetish, but I do believe that anyone can film good fetish content after putting in some time to research the niche and what people who are into the niche want.

:thumbsup
Apsolutely . Personally I've made the lead to many different niches .. the hardest one was BDSM .. however I strongly believe in Researching before shooting

Kolargol 10-29-2008 12:41 PM

It may not be enough to be hardcore foot fetishist and a good photographer / artist to create foot fetish stuff that sells. You just need to shoot what appeals to majority of the target audience, while some photographers just think it's enough to shoot what they like most. Well, it is enough if they shoot for their own sites, but they need to have and follow very precise directions from website owners if they shoot ordered material.

Barefootsies 10-29-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 14969943)
but they need to have and follow very precise directions from website owners if they shoot ordered material.

True dat toots.... for content providers...

pornguy 10-29-2008 01:09 PM

I think that most of the niche and micro niche stuff I see is total shit.

Usually the best micro niche comes from people that are into it and NOT photographers.

After Shock Media 10-29-2008 01:20 PM

To much info in this thread. GFY should be near self destruct mode, tread lightly.

We all know that phrase about reaction and equal and opposite reaction - large biz thread with good information means someone is about to get into red alert several page drama soon.

Sarah_Jayne 10-29-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14970116)
To much info in this thread. GFY should be near self destruct mode, tread lightly.

We all know that phrase about reaction and equal and opposite reaction - large biz thread with good information means someone is about to get into red alert several page drama soon.

I know. Knock it off with the business threads already!




(especially when they give away some hints about my niches)

MikeSmoke 10-29-2008 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 14969943)
It may not be enough to be hardcore foot fetishist and a good photographer / artist to create foot fetish stuff that sells. You just need to shoot what appeals to majority of the target audience, while some photographers just think it's enough to shoot what they like most.

Very true....there's someone in my niche who many years ago started shooting just what HE liked...and his sales were mediocre. He kept complaining to me when I wrote lukewarm reviews of his videos in my magazine, and after a while, when I kept explaining to him that the majority of the audience wanted to see "X,Y and Z" and not just the "A" that he liked...he changed his approach, and his sales shot up.

Barefootsies 10-29-2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 14970061)
I think that most of the niche and micro niche stuff I see is total shit.

Usually the best micro niche comes from people that are into it and NOT photographers.

Agreed...

Barefootsies 10-30-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 14970145)
I know. Knock it off with the business threads already!




(especially when they give away some hints about my niches)

ToeHee Sarah

Barefootsies 12-13-2008 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14970116)
To much info in this thread. GFY should be near self destruct mode, tread lightly.

We all know that phrase about reaction and equal and opposite reaction - large biz thread with good information means someone is about to get into red alert several page drama soon.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Kudles 12-13-2008 12:24 PM

Not really sure


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