congratssss to the winners

Fucking Republicans...
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Me neither. The "moral outrage" over this is really something.

I didn't get a choice in whether or not we went to war in Iraq, I also didn't get a choice in how the war was conducted, or how much it would cost. I, and my children (probably mostly my children, and maybe even my grandchildren) still have to pay for it (and the interest on it) though.

Elections have consequences. :2 cents:

Yeah, it's a way for Obamas owners to "cloak" their most heavy indoctrination efforts. Mixing it up with seemingly innocent efforts. They can get away with a lot more now because Obama is black, and regular folks still think that elections are a *real* choice...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE

Because the beginning of every program is always "the beginning of something".

Income taxes were originally created in our country to pay for wars. The Civil War. It has gone back and forth since then about whether it is constitutional or not. The point being, the tax was created to pay for a war that was over 150 years ago and we are still paying it. The money simply got shifted somewhere else. Once you give something, you don't get it back. It's like dealing with a child... if you start letting them eat a cookie every night after dinner, they are going to want a cookie every night after dinner and it's going to take a lot to stop it.

I don't understand why people always compare the United States to "other countries" when trying to defend a point or an opinion. We aren't other countries. We are the United States. We have a lot of laws and policies that we create based on our principles and our ideas, other countries have a lot of laws and policies that they create based on their principles and their ideas. If our principles and our ideas are changing in a fashion that makes our policies change, that's fine. But benchmarking our policies with the policies of other countries really doesn't make sense.

A lot of other countries have mandatory military service. I certainly don't agree with that and will never push for that just because "other countries do it".

The outrage is because people are misinterpreting what was most likely intended. I highly doubt he is talking about forced community service.

Let's talk about community service in exchange for scholarships, other financial assistance, work while out of work, etc. etc. Any instance where people are getting "free money"... bring on the community service!

$4000 for 100 hours of work. That's $40/hr. Wish I was making that much when I was back in college. $40/hr to improve your community is good pay for a college student and it would probably cost the gov't a lot more with all the red tape to effect the same change. Brilliant idea. Win/Win

And if people realized that we live in a republic we would not have done any of those things. So in the mind of the left two wrongs make a right? :321GFY The brainwashed sheep of America you have to love it.

Don't many schools already require community service to graduate? Anyways, ask not what your country can do for you, what can you do for your country.

So they have to do whatever he says is for the best of the community, what if they dont agree and refuse? What happens then?

I love how people from other countries seem to think we should care what their opinion is.

The child would not graduate. I wonder if Obama would count protesting Obamas unconstitutional and illegal laws as part of community service?

Community service is a great idea. Some states or even colleges have it as a requirement for graduation. Were you protesting it before when it happened?

Perhaps. I think this whole thing is just a semantics issue and once the specifics are released it won't really be the thing everyone is making it out to be.

We already knew about the college thing...in order to qualify for the college tuition tax credit that Obama is proposing, community service would be required.
I think with the high school and middle school students it will most likely be part of their curriculum, not an after school or weekend or summer thing. It'll be a class full of kids going to a nursing home to read to old people or going to a soup kitchen to prepare and serve food.....no big deal, and a good character building exercise.

As for your remark about taxes and not getting anything back earlier....we've had lots of tax cuts over the last 30 years, and taxes are nowhere near their 1932-1979 levels today. So you do get things back sometimes.

Also, on the issue of compulsory military service, we had that here until Reagan. He wanted an all volunteer force because it would be a better trained force with higher morale.
It worked well so we've kept that in place.....but if we were ever in a situation where not enough people were volunteering to meet our national security needs, we would most certainly have a draft again.
That's something that governments around the world, democracy or not, have the power to do.

Pure speculation here based on how alot of other things in government work.

If you refuse and are a college student, you don't get the $4000 tax credit.

If you refuse and you are a middle or high school student (or your parents refuse on your behalf because they don't think the big bad government should teach kids a sense of service and community), my guess is you wouldn't pass your grade/class, you'd take an F in that course. (My assumption here is that it will be part of the student's curriculum in middle and high school)

Key word in the statement. STATE

Yes We Can! = YES YOU WILL

So now the government is GOOD that Bush is going out of office? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So how long before you think your Obama god will pull troops out of Iraq? Or how long before your Obama god repeals the Patriot Act? Or how long will it be before your Obama god repeals the bailouts? Or how long before your Obama god repeals fisa?

If it should always be left up to the states, why are you raiding California over it's medical marijuana?

You went a BIT off-topic, didn't you?

Nope it shows a pattern of Obama supporting illegal and unconstitutional laws. Much like this new mandate he wants to implement.

The government cant even teach our children to read and write. For 30 years our education system has been declining. What started 30 years ago? The department of education. If we are really serious about fixing our education problem we need to bring it back to the state and local levels.

Obama just wants to waste more money on failed policies.

What's illegal and unconstitutional about asking people of the USA to help the country they live in? Is it so wrong to ask this of a nation's citizens? Demanding it's a different story.

Personally, I think the entitlement everyone seems to think they have in the USA has gone way overboard. Much like assumptions people make.

People are living longer today than 30 years ago too! OMG, Literacy Kills!

7 Myths about Literacy
http://pareonline.net/getvn.asp?v=6&n=1

To ask is one thing to mandate is another. Mandating people who have not committed a crime to work is slavery.

I see the sense of entitlement is also coming from people who think they should tell others how to live their lives. :2 cents:

Do I believe people should help their community? Damn straight! Do I think it should be mandated? No way in hell.

Because it wasn't my state, and choice of college is voluntary.

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I thought Obama said that will stop.

Obama isn't in charge yet, so of course he isn't the one doing the raiding of medical marijuana spots in California. Why didn't your favorite republican administration respect the STATE? Doesn't that bother you?

Nah, he's just catching up with the rest of the world.

Bush is a neo-con he is for big federal government and all you democrats should be thanking him for making the fed gov as big as he has.

I couldn't care less if you care what my opinion is. I didn't notice "Americans only" anywhere in the post.

you should learn more really. he said the government cant shut the tv or the xbox off and get the kids to do their school work its the parents responsibility.

You dig big government? I could have sworn a couple of posts earlier you were advocating that states' should make the decisions?

Or do you have a sig and just dig the conflict for sig impressions (I have sigs turned off, so am curious)?

like i said people think we live in the greatest country as long as they can sit in their ass and do nothing.

Exactly right.

What's next? You want the government to hold your wittle hand when you cross the road?

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I co-sign this.

It wouldn't kill people to get out and do their part.

So 100 is a lot, but 104~ is good?

Not only that, but if it's the State or Federal government mandating something, it's still a government mandate.
Why federal = bad and state = good makes no sense to me.
More power to the states doesn't equal smaller government, it equals different government.

Same thing here. They can either participate in community work or co-op at a local business. Either way it gives them both experience and the opportunity to network with others.

My favorite what? When did I ever say I was pro-Bush?

I've retarded posted before and I'll probably do it again. Hell, I probably went retarded in one of your threads. Regardless, I'm frightened by people who write straight-up, contradictory posts.

I'm also frightened by a lot of other things, but that's neither here nor there.