doesn't affect us down south..

Alien...who's worried brudda. Im havin fun with this one. Nothing better than finding out about a top secret conspiracy to rule the porn world and splashing it all over the SFV.

Word is Derek and Joel are both in major damage control mode right now LOL

Fun times indeed maybe I will get another death threat....I have quite the collection LOL

Mad love for ya JP, but that is actually work ethics you describe. No argument there. He is driven. But business ethics, cant say. If he follows through, then he has no ethics.

If they want to unionize then unionize the talent and act as union stewards.

Sinclair

Now thats a true statement by the Mike South I am used to reading:)

gotta love craigslist and onemodelplace

I can't see all of the agents coming together and working on a project where they try and bait producers into hiring models "behind their back".

Most of the girls who work for agencies have more loyalty to the producers, as we are the ones who pay them, than their own agents.

They are seriously underestimating the "me first" attitude of the models, there are very few models that would be willing to do this.

If any model tried to set up a producer I can assure you that the word would get out quick and she would be the one who ends up getting "black balled."

That's what I've been talking about since day 1 in this business.

But that will never happen and there's plenty of fish in the sea.

You go see a movie because Tom Hanks is in it... you buy a porno because you wonder what it would be like to fuck that girl you've never seen before.

Rare exceptions to this rule enough to warent a union of the top 2% of the talent. By the time they realize thier value - and they realize that they are the cream on top - they start thier own website or production company. Welcome to free Enterprise! That's why I've told every single girl I've ever discovered to start her own site. Most choose the $$$ and try a site later when they are already too over-exposed. Can't say I didn't try.

A whore union?

:1orglaugh

You can't herd cats my friend. They have no care nor consideration of the present let alone the future post consequence.

:2 cents::)

i am a pornographer, not a writer.
but anyone with a halfbrain (or better) knew what i meant...

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

Now that is a point taken. :thumbsup

If you think you cant heard cats -- think again. Its the talent agents that actually do. How do you guys think talent gets to the set on time, with the right clothing and with their IDs ?? Its usually an agent calling and reminding her. Obviously there are a fair percentage of performers that are responsible and do not need the babysitting approach, but without agents, there would be a lot of wasted time and money.

Hate them, love them. It doesnt matter. They are upstream from all the producers. Without talent, nothing gets done in this industry.

Hi Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First class idea :thumbsup

Not sure how many models you have hired from agencies, but my experience over some 38 years is different. I've had models from agencies 3 hours late ( and the agency gets pissed because I send them back un-used ) I've had girls no show, turn up un-prepared . I've had them turn up with absolutely zero information about the shoot. Ive had them drive to the wrong address even though we supply detailed e-mails / maps and confirmation by phone.

Personally I like working with Derek, Type 9, Gold Star, Foxmodels. But I'm using less and less agency talent and more and more from scouts who know what models I need. I find I have less hassle this way and I get fresh faces before they saturate the market.

There's an 'only' missing from that sentence...

think this is at AVN now

Ya AVN just ran a story but obviously didn't credit me.

What they ran was a press release that the trade association put together today quickly to counter my story.

Be interesting to see where this will go from here...and to AVN...come on guys thats fucking lame. You didn't even run the real story

no way. your old best buddy "fish" wouldn't do something like that to you. there must be some kind of mistake.

Odds are slim to none and none is waaaay the fuck in the lead on anything like this ever happening.

yer a funny guy OP, anyone who really knows anything about avn knows Fish is no longer involved in the day to day operation.

that would be Dan Miller and like the avn of old they avoid anything that might make the industry look bad, particularly their advertisers.

I always say that it is the one transmitting a communication who have the responsibility to make sure the communication (that being written words, sound or visual) is properly understood by the receiver.

In this case it appears i used the wrong word, Sinclair hit it right on the nose.
I meant work ethics, obviously.

But i do want to add that everything is relative, and in this case if the measure is business ethics in the adult industry (affiliates included) then LA Direct and Derek ranks up there in the top 33%. But that may say more about the industry than about Derek...

reads like an act of war.

the only way for an Association to work is for it's members to follow the rules. I don't know about LA but over here they're all scumbags. And would stab each other in the back for a nickel.

God for you for making this public .. the shear anger of the non attending or non invited agencies should break this little group up fast enough

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thum bsup:thumbsup

:thumbsup So fuckin right!

if they had the models welfare at heart they would start with that. a unionized talent would automatically regulate them and them only

Whats up ? Dinner soon ?

now that's funny :)

Anytime amigo.

Good times.

I beg to differ about talent agents being "upstream" from producers. They need business and producers need talent and it's a symbiotic relationship. And in any case, I as a producer can largely get along without them to a great extent since I cast a lot of my own talent and work with a lot of individual people who aren't agents to refer talent to me.

I also work with a lot of agents and appreciate the convenience and have a good business relationship with many of them. But no one would be able to dictate terms of any kind to me, on scenes rates or anything else. Most of the the fresh talent has more loyalty to me as a producer quite frankly than their agents whom they often bounce between different ones several times. Especially since I may use a single model many times for multiple projects. Some of my favorite local models have become friends of mine and have filmed for me over two dozen times over the course of a year and in almost any case, they were happy to get whatever fair rates I set for them.

I doubt anything will come of this story anyway. The trend of ever escalating talent rates the last several years has reached its peak. I think that producers who actually have steady work going forward in time are going to gain in power relative to both the agencies and the talent as more companies cut back on filming or go out of business. Matter of fact I think that I have already seen this happening.

an interesting read Jim, the price of models as been artificially inflated for some time now.

'if everyone has an apple tree in the back yard why is the price of apples so high?'

wonder how it's gonna shake out..?

a client of mine thinks that all but the larger more established producers will be edgedout along with most of the agencies.. we're seeing it now with pay sites I think... the bigger players are buying up the 'small fish'

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Having been an agent at GoldStar, shooting for them, developing their site, and having a large part to do with their business processes I thought I'd throw my :2 cents: in.

Agencies collecting money from producers that aren't paying them. Geez, the immorality of it. How dare they!

Collecting from talent when they move agencies? The agencies have already had an unwritten code about this for quite some time. The new agency will try to collect the money from the girl on behalf of the old agency. Nothing new here.

Prosecuting producers? Do they mean for going around the agencies or for other things? There are some producers doing some shady things out there. If the agencies can come together then that will put a stop to them. At the very least, agree not to accept any bookings from them. As far as setting up producers, can't say I agree with that. Crack down on the model, not the producer. That's between the agency and the model.

If the producer found the girl at a party and they talked about shooting and he didn't have prior knowledge she was with an agency why should there be anything against the producer? It's the model that went around the agency, not the producer. However, if the producer knows and then tries finding her on myspace to go around the agency, that's another story.

If you know a girl is with an agency that is exclusive and you need to book through that agency don't piss them off by going around them. It's that simple.

Unlicensed agencies will not be tolerated? So they are saying they won't tolerate agencies that are breaking the law. Well, the law is the law. But... you know the only REAL reason why they are doing this is to prevent the smaller agencies from competing with them. The cost and effort to get licensed is not a small one.

As far as manipulating prices. That's just business, both parties are going to try to get the best deal they can. I don't think there will be enough cohesion for either group to do any manipulating. It's the market that will determine the prices I don't think there's much either party can do to make a difference.

I agree...

If you didn't know she was with an agency it's not your responsibility to search all the agencies out there to find out.

do you think I'll believed? I don't use myspace for models I do however use ads that are answered by various 'models'... had 2 models today hit me up from ads, I had no work for them though. -bmb

They need to realise that they do not hold the steering wheel in this industry.

So the "agents" (having been in bands most of my life with a "real" agency and management makes me kinda hesitant to use that word on pimps) are going to band together to stop Nasty Dollars, Naughty America, Brazzers, content shooters, etc. from doing what?
Not paying them for using the same old, over saturated, available on thousands of tube sites for free, girls that none of us can sell now to make a dollar?

LOL. That's just genius, pure genius. And once those 20 or 30 girls that are currently on EVERY paysite it seems STOP getting any work and watch as the other girls at the strip club are getting the phone calls to shoot...then what?

I guess the agents didn't get the memo that all that "talent" aren't making sales anymore due to oversaturation and tube and torrents filled with thousands of scenes of the same guys and girls fucking over and over and over and over.

With a bad economy, oversaturation of a very small talent base, and the realization slowly dawning on companies that they need to travel and shoot DIFFERENT people...it's just laughably bad timing on their part. They should have tried to pull this off 5 years ago. Then it might have worked. Nowadays, they are pretty much disposable. The big companies just haven't figured that out yet. But this kind of action will hasten the demise of "agencies" once everybody figures out that they don't really need them. They are just a convenience, not a neccessity.

amen brother... agents are nothing more than looser guys who can't get laid so they "agent" but like you said they are nothing more than pimps.. id so much rather deal with the hooker rather than her pimp.. it's easier to get exactly what you want... pimps always want to upsell...

I like pimps...No problem with them. But damn, this is the worst time they could ever think to be trying to dictate terms to the people who pay them. Crazy. Bad economy, entire dvd's and members areas ripped and available for free on illegitimate tubes and torrent sites, and the "talent" are the same guys and girls fucking each other over and over with the same re-hashed storylines, just on different couches.

It just isn't selling. And the companies are going to start questioning the production costs.

I was too busy writing to recognize the pure genious in this post. Thank you.

yeah maybe I come off bit wrong.. im used to dealing with "boyfriends" that call them selvs agents and to me they are nothing more than pimps... I do know a few agents that are good guys.. but majority herein vegas are boyfriends, pimps

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It just isn't selling. And the companies are going to start questioning the production costs.[/QUOTE]

they all ready are :)

yer killing me with that one :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hey, I've been a suitcase pimp all my life. I can't help it if I fall in love with whores. :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yada Yad Yada Yada,,, 6 MONTHS FROMN NOW EVERYONE WILL GO... HUH

I hear and see every day these agents cut throating each other behind each others backs, not to mention who or which ones.. now they wanna start an Alliance. They cant even get wardrobe requirements correct for girl to bring to set half the time, once again no names...

Lisa Ann actually said to me and I quote " You actually expect me to get 3 porn girls to set on time" when i had a 3 girl shoot booked once and every one was an hour late.

and she wants to form an Alliance

Oh and what about the agents " FAVORITE HOES" who no matter what is always in the right no matter how bad she fucks up some producers day.

Oh and im sure they will regulate girls doing escort for 1 hour for $1500 rather than go to work and make $1200 for 5 hour shoot. *I cant tell you how many no shows, mom died, cat sick, car accident, etc ive hear mostly in last 3 months.

Good luck with you Alliance. You want my opinion>

GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK ON TIME
GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK WITH CORRECRT WARDROBE

Lets see you all do that for 6 months, then talk Alliance.

Having said all that, I wouldnt want any agents job for the life of me.

I will say this.. LA DIRECT, GOLD STAR and TYPE 9, not in that order are the best to deal with , miinmal problems.

Maybe those 3 should form 1 company not a union.

fuck I married one... the hell was I thinking

See this is where the problem is... I like dealing with some of them, and others more than some. But, I'll choose whoever I want to deal with, and so will the talent - and this is where the struggle for CONTROL starts with this make-believe aliance. If a talent doesn't want to be with an agent - that agent (one in particular attempts this all the time) that agent will BLACKLIST that talent and start rumors that she is a flake, a thief, a bad performer, etc... but wont let her out of her contract, keep her photos on thier agency site and attempt to blacklist any producer who hires her. FUCK THAT!

And what if an agent doesn't get a model work? The talent tries to get work on her own and she is punished for that? That's absurd. And, then that talent is not able to get out of her contract? FUCK THAT TOO! And I know which agent started this whole thing, and all the talent with this agency rarely works while everyone is driving all over LA with fake aliances pretending that they are not in competition with each other WASTING VALUABLE TALENT BOOKING TIME and still the unemployed talent sits on a couch in a model house wondering if she'll get blacklisted by answering her myspace from someone who actually wants to HIRE AKA EMPLOY HER!!! Does that talent have to obey or get blacklisted?

No, I have a better solution - be a better agent and spend 100% of your time booking jobs instead of arguing with people and forming fake alliances acting like it's good for the talent when it's just yourself that you are woried about. I shoot every day. Hey talent that is reading this - Need a job? (they do read you know) Click the sig below and contact me. I pay cash.

Anyone have a problem with that? It's called FREE ENTERPRISE!!! Get you wannabe MONOPOLY to try to sue me instead of spending your time BOOKING JOBS!!! I paid out more in talent fees this year than your agent's rented house almost in foreclosure is worth.

pimpin and ho'in is the best thing goin!

And this is the bottom line.

Agents just get girls to the shooters, they don't control the business and they don't create it either. They will only be able to supply the girls available to the shooters available. In the next few years there will be more girls and less shooters. The recession will mean more girls are looking for less work.

Yes the brand new top girls will go to the agents favorite shooter who is willing to pay the most. But their bread and butter will be the shooters who shoot week in and week out. If they can't accommodate them they will go to the agents that can.