None of them can trust one another, and from how it appears now the top agents aren't struggling.

Never heard so much rubbish in all my days. Companies pay what the work/model is worth x what they can afford. Your idea is doomed.

It may be missing an "only", but I went from the webmaster at a shitty video company to becoming the head director for one of the biggest gonzo companies in the video industry (from 18yo to 22yo; span of 4 years). 90% of the content you see on the sites under Diabolic's affiliate program was shot by me (photos + video). I don't ever mention that kind of shit, but if someone says something I have to speak up. No hard feelings just saying my :2 cents:.

Back to the topic :winkwink:

I've seen your work... it is top notch!

We had a falling out a while back but just had to say kudos on your content.:thumbsup

Stick to the law because you obviously have no idea about how agents work. Girls not told they have a booking, not told the time, not told where to go, not told we need 2 IDs, not told what they will be doing, not told what they will be paid, not told to confirm the shoot, sending pictures that are 4 years out of date wrong hair color and not tattooed plus with a ton of make up on, taking money from the model and shooter, GETTING GIRLS TO RECRUIT FOR THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON OUR SHOOT OR CASTING and a ton of other things. We get a girl from an agant tand then we deal with her direct. That way we know she will turn up knowing what to do. Yes we still pay the agent.

The last one is my biggest bug with them and had it happen in London, CZ and the US. The girls are paid money to recruit other girls to the agency. So on a casting or shoot the fucking Filofaxes come out while they try to recruit girls to earn money. The problem is when they try to recruit a brand new girl we found and trying to keep exclusive for a while. Now we always tell an agent to send their girls at a set time and only that time. And we only shoot girls together from one agent. No mixing with the girls we find or other agents girls.

No! You will not think for yourself, you will not scout your own talent, you will ask permission to have you content look diferent than everyone else!

The ALLIANCE has spoken!!!

+1

We are unable to gather and organize for anything other than shows, parties and free drinks.

Which is why I have always found my own girls.

Another thing agencies do. They tell the girls to say they have not done any work. Did a casting last week in Prague and a girl turned up and told me she was brand new. Eva had shot her last year. When I told her this she told me the agent told her to say it. OK she could of been lying but it's not the first time I had an agency girl tell me she was brand new only to find out she was shot to death.

What you will find is the people doing the organising are not pornographers. They are show organisers. :1orglaugh

Said the guy that joined last year.

Over lunch, I had Aloo Gobi, it came to me why this scheme will not work. Should of thought about it before.

An agent earns money by getting a model saturated. It's not to the agents benefit to have her unsaturated unless producers will pay twice as much. This applies to the model as well who wants to earn money, as much as possible over the shortest period of time.

So what will the agent do with studios who do not bend to their wishes? Stop sending them girls is all they can do, which will hurt them more than the producers not with them and the models. The models will start looking for work without the agent and producers will start looking for models without the agents.

The agents are a convenience and as soon as they become a problem to producers or girls they will find they're the losers.

Could be the best thing to happen to the business in the Valley. :1orglaugh

it doesn't really work that way... the truth of the matter is these shooters are cock hounds and will pay out the ass to watch these models fuck right before their very eyes.

Brian... you're funny today. Finally.

this thread delivers :)

Bottom line is .. agents need us more then we need them . but they're inflated egos don't let them see this .. regardless if they're in LA or Montreal .. an agent is the same ... they take advantage of the models pulling a persentage off them and off the client .. not doing what they should be, like looking after the models welfare, keeping them clean, making sure they shower, smell nice. Prepare them for they're shoot and make sure they are on time .. I gotta tell ya I've never seen an agent that covered all those points.


in all honesty they're bigger Scum bags then we are .. and We are called pornographers!

Get your girls in Check! . So many times has a model casually slipped me her number, or sent me a myspace/facebook message asking for work ..

My favorite such event was a few years back, when Lanny barbie signed with vivid . she called me in the night to tell me her news and asked me to book her before the news broke. I did just that and booked her for 2 solid weeks. In front of me she called her agent after I told her I need to figure out his cut.. To tell him to FUCK off, he will not see a red cent from the shoots with me, Cus when she asked him to book her, he told her there was nothing out there. Naturally he had just cashed in a nice commission check from Vivid for doing Natha

Don't get me started on Agents .. lol

I agree with your 100%
and just for the records, one of the very first models i ever shot i booked through a fellow named Joe sumthing from NY.. might have been you:winkwink:

Rubbish. At the end of the day you have to make a profit. Unless you think content is just a numbers game today.

Spot on. They will soon find they are a convenience we can do without.

If they put up their prices 20% and lose 25% of their business they lose.

very interesting

I had lunch with one of the big 6 today.

Getting their side of it was interesting to say the least.

Oh... do-tell... do-tell...

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?

not sure about your shooting environment, here with a crew of 4 and locations it cost me a heck of a lot more than $300 when a model t-bones a shoot on me $.02

Shy isn't behind this, but she is one the 8 agents involved.

Two of the unlicensed agencies are going to the next meeting

It appears that as of now they are coming together as group, we will see how long it lasts.

should be interesting

i will go on the record here and tell you that hardly no one is shooting. with a very few exceptions, the shooting environment is near dead in porn valley. word on the street is one of these companies barely has 6 shoots a day. that's probably what is driving them to get drastic. their money is drying up.

Then they should stop biting the hand that feeds them. I shoot, edit, or promote every single day. They should stop talking and start working. Stop demanding higher wages, and going on strike until we break open the non-exsisting banks. what do they think got us to this point? Every day agents turn down work for girls that can't even afford to get a $120 AIM test. Stand on your laurels long enough... maybe they'll fucking starve.

Get off the cross - we need the wood.

Diversify, Inovate, fuck it, this is porn... PROCREATE!!!

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

Had a meeting with a top CZ agent last week and she more or less asked me what I would pay the girls. I'm telling them that unless they are very special and I can get magazine sales out of her the pay rates are similar yours. Except anal is that a day, if she does not like anal she should not do it. In fact if she does not like doing any of the work she best not turn up.

There's another plus from the slowdown. I also told her that no one is buying the fake moaning and groaning these girls are doing. So they put in a real and full blooded performance or they don't stay, in fact they don't need to turn up. She agreed that many people prefer the real amateur stuff to what we were producing and we made sense to stipulate good performances.

And this is what will bring down these agents plans. The guy with the money is in charge, the guy with the girls is not. Unless the girl is so special she's the 1 in 100. And then Wicked or someone like them will sign her.

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

Exactly... If the chick is special she can command better money. 3 holes and pulse does not mean you should be paid top dollar. You have a mouth, this man over here a penis, and I have $100... The problem is that the huge economic bubble, that is now imploding, shot prices so high that people actually think $100 for a blow job is being a "cheap fuck". Fuck that...

The fake moaning and theatrics is never tolerated. I will throw the bitch out of the room for stunts like that. I love the ones that moan on insertion. Come on.

As to the 1 in 1000... They are gobbled up by SugarDaddy's long before Wicked ;) You are correct on the 1 in 100. This whole topic goes to new levels in your part of the world... Great genes.

...and some of us own exotics that are parked in the garages of our mansion.

You need to adjust your thinking to 2008 and the market conditions. We are in a deflationary spiral... that is taking all asset prices to 1997 levels. Wages will be there too.

Those girls being booked 4 to 5 times a week fall under the "special" category referred to by Paul above.... but even they can not survive when the macro picture is falling apart. For example, a local tile guy was laying marble at $15 sq ft + materials during the housing boom. He will now lay it for $5 sq ft... as the market conditions have changed, he needs to eat, and I may or may not want to lay the marble. The ying and yang of economic cycles...

If you are still paying what you paid in 2004-2006 for talent in 2008 you need to examine the situation more closely.

The list of girls working 4-5 days a week now is very short. And as you point out we're not always on their list. :1orglaugh

Exactly. A magazine shoot day is still worth $6,000 to $10,000 for the day and no worries paying out for those girls. In fact you have to pay out for them before anyone else does.

She needs to be an 8 to 10, out of 1 to 10. Brand new and for us teen looking. Not seen one for a long time. Girls are getting very wary of men holding camera these days. Or done a ton of work in the first fortnight. :winkwink:

Who is working 4-5 days a week? I need names please. His prices are pretty close... some a little low, some a little high. See any crack whore looking girls on www.POVPorn.com ??? I won't even meet a girl lest she's special. I have enough content for a year, I'd rather just plant another Avacado tree.

I tried to hire a model from goldstar the other day for a solo. no way... she works everyday and gets $1500 per scene :)

what an interesting thread.

times changing that is for sure.

Damn that's a four year old price list !

Would be nice to get girls fo rthat price, But I work on repeat bussiness from my girls. they stick to me because I pay fair.

As for all the crap in LA .. if there is such a shortage of work why are they recruiting girls out of country as I wrote earlier .. all it does is leave the girls with a bad taste from an expensive trip .. and in the end I'm the one that pays when the girls are turned off of shooting ... I have lost Gems in the past due to asshole producers that lyed and cheated the girls to doing cheap scenes (Get the girlto fly out to them on they;re own dime, then change all the bookings to reflect cheapper shoots, not giving the girls a chance to cancel if she wnats to get her money back form forkingout all the dough for the trip)

don't you know? as a reputable shooters we pick up the crap from all the bullshit in the industry. $02

I spoke at length with one of the "Big 3" last night. According to them, they and another one of the top agents want nothing to do with this whole thing. That the agent that pulled this meeting together is in panic mode and they went along to appease and to just see what was up. But according to them, they are out for themselves, this is why they all have seperate agencies in the first place, for their own independence and idealistic gain. So basically they could care less and have more of a "oh, your drowning? sorry, sucks for you" attitude towards the agent that wants this organization, and any other agency out there.

Now i don't know if that was the same attitude that your source gave you, but common sense, an understanding what is the ultimate goal of this biz, this discussion, and greed and self gain, says that this coalition will never come together. If it does, it will either won't last or be taken seriously. Its simple, there will always be agents who will want our money.

Example, if Jimmy Lifestyles was caught "breaking the rules" by Alisttalent, and they reported it to the coalition, does anyone really think the other agencies would call and cancel their bookings with me that they had set? That i, or any other producer, would be completely blacklisted by all other agencies cuz of incidents with others? That type9 would call me and say, "Hey Jimmy, i know we have 10 plus bookings with you this month, at least 3-4 a week, but you booked Brianna Beach (whom you've known long before she was with AList), around their back, so we are gonna have to go ahead and cancel all our bookings with you from now on because of the "coalition" we have made with the other agencies", lol. Come on, not gonna happen. So really, no worries, business as usual. :GFYBand

LOL!!! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every day... gawd... why do we even have these business discussions about not shooting. I guess we are out of the loop... hangers on, don't know the industry... wait... WE ARE THE INDUSTRY!!! I call bullshit on her agent, or she is the ONLY ONE working that much cause she's so fuckin hot she'll sell porn like no other.

If a model is booked every day for $1500.00 i say good luck to her. Im getting agencies send out e-mails with model at discounted rates which shows enterprise in these tough times. Better to work for a lower rate than not to work at all ? :winkwink:

shooters owe agents/pimps nothing - almost all the girls have myspace pages, the go on sexyjobs - book them directly at a negotiated price between producer and talent.

none of these agents are true agents - they're pimps. a judge will laugh them out of court if they try to sue a girl for breaking whatever contract they have these girls sign.

Well said jimbo.

wow... wild stuff