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Having been an agent at GoldStar, shooting for them, developing their site, and having a large part to do with their business processes I thought I'd throw my :2 cents: in.

Agencies collecting money from producers that aren't paying them. Geez, the immorality of it. How dare they!

Collecting from talent when they move agencies? The agencies have already had an unwritten code about this for quite some time. The new agency will try to collect the money from the girl on behalf of the old agency. Nothing new here.

Prosecuting producers? Do they mean for going around the agencies or for other things? There are some producers doing some shady things out there. If the agencies can come together then that will put a stop to them. At the very least, agree not to accept any bookings from them. As far as setting up producers, can't say I agree with that. Crack down on the model, not the producer. That's between the agency and the model.

If the producer found the girl at a party and they talked about shooting and he didn't have prior knowledge she was with an agency why should there be anything against the producer? It's the model that went around the agency, not the producer. However, if the producer knows and then tries finding her on myspace to go around the agency, that's another story.

If you know a girl is with an agency that is exclusive and you need to book through that agency don't piss them off by going around them. It's that simple.

Unlicensed agencies will not be tolerated? So they are saying they won't tolerate agencies that are breaking the law. Well, the law is the law. But... you know the only REAL reason why they are doing this is to prevent the smaller agencies from competing with them. The cost and effort to get licensed is not a small one.

As far as manipulating prices. That's just business, both parties are going to try to get the best deal they can. I don't think there will be enough cohesion for either group to do any manipulating. It's the market that will determine the prices I don't think there's much either party can do to make a difference.

I agree...

If you didn't know she was with an agency it's not your responsibility to search all the agencies out there to find out.

do you think I'll believed? I don't use myspace for models I do however use ads that are answered by various 'models'... had 2 models today hit me up from ads, I had no work for them though. -bmb

They need to realise that they do not hold the steering wheel in this industry.

So the "agents" (having been in bands most of my life with a "real" agency and management makes me kinda hesitant to use that word on pimps) are going to band together to stop Nasty Dollars, Naughty America, Brazzers, content shooters, etc. from doing what?
Not paying them for using the same old, over saturated, available on thousands of tube sites for free, girls that none of us can sell now to make a dollar?

LOL. That's just genius, pure genius. And once those 20 or 30 girls that are currently on EVERY paysite it seems STOP getting any work and watch as the other girls at the strip club are getting the phone calls to shoot...then what?

I guess the agents didn't get the memo that all that "talent" aren't making sales anymore due to oversaturation and tube and torrents filled with thousands of scenes of the same guys and girls fucking over and over and over and over.

With a bad economy, oversaturation of a very small talent base, and the realization slowly dawning on companies that they need to travel and shoot DIFFERENT people...it's just laughably bad timing on their part. They should have tried to pull this off 5 years ago. Then it might have worked. Nowadays, they are pretty much disposable. The big companies just haven't figured that out yet. But this kind of action will hasten the demise of "agencies" once everybody figures out that they don't really need them. They are just a convenience, not a neccessity.

amen brother... agents are nothing more than looser guys who can't get laid so they "agent" but like you said they are nothing more than pimps.. id so much rather deal with the hooker rather than her pimp.. it's easier to get exactly what you want... pimps always want to upsell...

I like pimps...No problem with them. But damn, this is the worst time they could ever think to be trying to dictate terms to the people who pay them. Crazy. Bad economy, entire dvd's and members areas ripped and available for free on illegitimate tubes and torrent sites, and the "talent" are the same guys and girls fucking each other over and over with the same re-hashed storylines, just on different couches.

It just isn't selling. And the companies are going to start questioning the production costs.

I was too busy writing to recognize the pure genious in this post. Thank you.

yeah maybe I come off bit wrong.. im used to dealing with "boyfriends" that call them selvs agents and to me they are nothing more than pimps... I do know a few agents that are good guys.. but majority herein vegas are boyfriends, pimps

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It just isn't selling. And the companies are going to start questioning the production costs.[/QUOTE]

they all ready are :)

yer killing me with that one :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hey, I've been a suitcase pimp all my life. I can't help it if I fall in love with whores. :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yada Yad Yada Yada,,, 6 MONTHS FROMN NOW EVERYONE WILL GO... HUH

I hear and see every day these agents cut throating each other behind each others backs, not to mention who or which ones.. now they wanna start an Alliance. They cant even get wardrobe requirements correct for girl to bring to set half the time, once again no names...

Lisa Ann actually said to me and I quote " You actually expect me to get 3 porn girls to set on time" when i had a 3 girl shoot booked once and every one was an hour late.

and she wants to form an Alliance

Oh and what about the agents " FAVORITE HOES" who no matter what is always in the right no matter how bad she fucks up some producers day.

Oh and im sure they will regulate girls doing escort for 1 hour for $1500 rather than go to work and make $1200 for 5 hour shoot. *I cant tell you how many no shows, mom died, cat sick, car accident, etc ive hear mostly in last 3 months.

Good luck with you Alliance. You want my opinion>

GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK ON TIME
GET YOUR GIRLS TO WORK WITH CORRECRT WARDROBE

Lets see you all do that for 6 months, then talk Alliance.

Having said all that, I wouldnt want any agents job for the life of me.

I will say this.. LA DIRECT, GOLD STAR and TYPE 9, not in that order are the best to deal with , miinmal problems.

Maybe those 3 should form 1 company not a union.

fuck I married one... the hell was I thinking

See this is where the problem is... I like dealing with some of them, and others more than some. But, I'll choose whoever I want to deal with, and so will the talent - and this is where the struggle for CONTROL starts with this make-believe aliance. If a talent doesn't want to be with an agent - that agent (one in particular attempts this all the time) that agent will BLACKLIST that talent and start rumors that she is a flake, a thief, a bad performer, etc... but wont let her out of her contract, keep her photos on thier agency site and attempt to blacklist any producer who hires her. FUCK THAT!

And what if an agent doesn't get a model work? The talent tries to get work on her own and she is punished for that? That's absurd. And, then that talent is not able to get out of her contract? FUCK THAT TOO! And I know which agent started this whole thing, and all the talent with this agency rarely works while everyone is driving all over LA with fake aliances pretending that they are not in competition with each other WASTING VALUABLE TALENT BOOKING TIME and still the unemployed talent sits on a couch in a model house wondering if she'll get blacklisted by answering her myspace from someone who actually wants to HIRE AKA EMPLOY HER!!! Does that talent have to obey or get blacklisted?

No, I have a better solution - be a better agent and spend 100% of your time booking jobs instead of arguing with people and forming fake alliances acting like it's good for the talent when it's just yourself that you are woried about. I shoot every day. Hey talent that is reading this - Need a job? (they do read you know) Click the sig below and contact me. I pay cash.

Anyone have a problem with that? It's called FREE ENTERPRISE!!! Get you wannabe MONOPOLY to try to sue me instead of spending your time BOOKING JOBS!!! I paid out more in talent fees this year than your agent's rented house almost in foreclosure is worth.

pimpin and ho'in is the best thing goin!

And this is the bottom line.

Agents just get girls to the shooters, they don't control the business and they don't create it either. They will only be able to supply the girls available to the shooters available. In the next few years there will be more girls and less shooters. The recession will mean more girls are looking for less work.

Yes the brand new top girls will go to the agents favorite shooter who is willing to pay the most. But their bread and butter will be the shooters who shoot week in and week out. If they can't accommodate them they will go to the agents that can.

None of them can trust one another, and from how it appears now the top agents aren't struggling.

Never heard so much rubbish in all my days. Companies pay what the work/model is worth x what they can afford. Your idea is doomed.

It may be missing an "only", but I went from the webmaster at a shitty video company to becoming the head director for one of the biggest gonzo companies in the video industry (from 18yo to 22yo; span of 4 years). 90% of the content you see on the sites under Diabolic's affiliate program was shot by me (photos + video). I don't ever mention that kind of shit, but if someone says something I have to speak up. No hard feelings just saying my :2 cents:.

Back to the topic :winkwink:

I've seen your work... it is top notch!

We had a falling out a while back but just had to say kudos on your content.:thumbsup

Stick to the law because you obviously have no idea about how agents work. Girls not told they have a booking, not told the time, not told where to go, not told we need 2 IDs, not told what they will be doing, not told what they will be paid, not told to confirm the shoot, sending pictures that are 4 years out of date wrong hair color and not tattooed plus with a ton of make up on, taking money from the model and shooter, GETTING GIRLS TO RECRUIT FOR THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON OUR SHOOT OR CASTING and a ton of other things. We get a girl from an agant tand then we deal with her direct. That way we know she will turn up knowing what to do. Yes we still pay the agent.

The last one is my biggest bug with them and had it happen in London, CZ and the US. The girls are paid money to recruit other girls to the agency. So on a casting or shoot the fucking Filofaxes come out while they try to recruit girls to earn money. The problem is when they try to recruit a brand new girl we found and trying to keep exclusive for a while. Now we always tell an agent to send their girls at a set time and only that time. And we only shoot girls together from one agent. No mixing with the girls we find or other agents girls.

No! You will not think for yourself, you will not scout your own talent, you will ask permission to have you content look diferent than everyone else!

The ALLIANCE has spoken!!!

+1

We are unable to gather and organize for anything other than shows, parties and free drinks.

Which is why I have always found my own girls.

Another thing agencies do. They tell the girls to say they have not done any work. Did a casting last week in Prague and a girl turned up and told me she was brand new. Eva had shot her last year. When I told her this she told me the agent told her to say it. OK she could of been lying but it's not the first time I had an agency girl tell me she was brand new only to find out she was shot to death.

What you will find is the people doing the organising are not pornographers. They are show organisers. :1orglaugh

Said the guy that joined last year.

Over lunch, I had Aloo Gobi, it came to me why this scheme will not work. Should of thought about it before.

An agent earns money by getting a model saturated. It's not to the agents benefit to have her unsaturated unless producers will pay twice as much. This applies to the model as well who wants to earn money, as much as possible over the shortest period of time.

So what will the agent do with studios who do not bend to their wishes? Stop sending them girls is all they can do, which will hurt them more than the producers not with them and the models. The models will start looking for work without the agent and producers will start looking for models without the agents.

The agents are a convenience and as soon as they become a problem to producers or girls they will find they're the losers.

Could be the best thing to happen to the business in the Valley. :1orglaugh

it doesn't really work that way... the truth of the matter is these shooters are cock hounds and will pay out the ass to watch these models fuck right before their very eyes.

Brian... you're funny today. Finally.

this thread delivers :)

Bottom line is .. agents need us more then we need them . but they're inflated egos don't let them see this .. regardless if they're in LA or Montreal .. an agent is the same ... they take advantage of the models pulling a persentage off them and off the client .. not doing what they should be, like looking after the models welfare, keeping them clean, making sure they shower, smell nice. Prepare them for they're shoot and make sure they are on time .. I gotta tell ya I've never seen an agent that covered all those points.


in all honesty they're bigger Scum bags then we are .. and We are called pornographers!

Get your girls in Check! . So many times has a model casually slipped me her number, or sent me a myspace/facebook message asking for work ..

My favorite such event was a few years back, when Lanny barbie signed with vivid . she called me in the night to tell me her news and asked me to book her before the news broke. I did just that and booked her for 2 solid weeks. In front of me she called her agent after I told her I need to figure out his cut.. To tell him to FUCK off, he will not see a red cent from the shoots with me, Cus when she asked him to book her, he told her there was nothing out there. Naturally he had just cashed in a nice commission check from Vivid for doing Natha

Don't get me started on Agents .. lol

I agree with your 100%
and just for the records, one of the very first models i ever shot i booked through a fellow named Joe sumthing from NY.. might have been you:winkwink:

Rubbish. At the end of the day you have to make a profit. Unless you think content is just a numbers game today.

Spot on. They will soon find they are a convenience we can do without.

If they put up their prices 20% and lose 25% of their business they lose.

very interesting

I had lunch with one of the big 6 today.

Getting their side of it was interesting to say the least.

Oh... do-tell... do-tell...

I got a shit load of info last night from a couple of my models that just got back from LA ..
seems that for the last few months Shay Love has been fishing in my pool with some help from a local Scumbag Agent that seems to be losing girls faster then he can change underwear.
My girls just got back from LA with a bad taste in they're mouths. First off Shay' images of grandeur is what got them to fork out the Ticket price. She also forces the girls to pay for they're own tests, and for the Id that she's able to get them (2257 requires US IDs), add to it 200$ for rent in a dirty discusting ol house, and 25% off they're Day rate. Oh and this is a good one, shay charges her girls 300$ for missed or canceled shoots.

Couldn't we Ask this of Agents. 25% of any contract we give them exclusively .. 300$ for Canceled or Boched shoots that the agent needs to pay, if they wnat the responsiblity of standardization then they should be prepared to pay for they're own downfalls .. like booking a model that can't be ontime or trusted .. booking a model that shows up dirty, un prepared ..etc ..

if there is no work in LA why is she telling girls that they can make 10 000 + a week ??
This shit is getting out of hand .. I've got yet another of my models (that hasn't even shot her first scene yet) promised dreams of $$$$ if she cums down to LA for miss love .. WTF .. I'll send the girls down myself and collect 25 points ! ..that's outrages for what they do ... 25 Points? and 300$ kill fee charged to the models ??

what can be done about this fishing ?