not sure about your shooting environment, here with a crew of 4 and locations it cost me a heck of a lot more than $300 when a model t-bones a shoot on me $.02

Shy isn't behind this, but she is one the 8 agents involved.

Two of the unlicensed agencies are going to the next meeting

It appears that as of now they are coming together as group, we will see how long it lasts.

should be interesting

i will go on the record here and tell you that hardly no one is shooting. with a very few exceptions, the shooting environment is near dead in porn valley. word on the street is one of these companies barely has 6 shoots a day. that's probably what is driving them to get drastic. their money is drying up.

Then they should stop biting the hand that feeds them. I shoot, edit, or promote every single day. They should stop talking and start working. Stop demanding higher wages, and going on strike until we break open the non-exsisting banks. what do they think got us to this point? Every day agents turn down work for girls that can't even afford to get a $120 AIM test. Stand on your laurels long enough... maybe they'll fucking starve.

Get off the cross - we need the wood.

Diversify, Inovate, fuck it, this is porn... PROCREATE!!!

Knock $200 off on those prices and then we are talking... and it really depends on the chick to lock in the price... some would be lower.

$100 oral
$300 b/g
$600 anal, etc.

If I am paying for the hair and makeup... that comes off her money.

Either she takes it or she doesn't... there's another one just coming in from Kansas who is younger, tighter, and motivated.

We are entering very tough economic times so the above prices are valid for this month. They might change to an exchange of food stuffs at some point.

Had a meeting with a top CZ agent last week and she more or less asked me what I would pay the girls. I'm telling them that unless they are very special and I can get magazine sales out of her the pay rates are similar yours. Except anal is that a day, if she does not like anal she should not do it. In fact if she does not like doing any of the work she best not turn up.

There's another plus from the slowdown. I also told her that no one is buying the fake moaning and groaning these girls are doing. So they put in a real and full blooded performance or they don't stay, in fact they don't need to turn up. She agreed that many people prefer the real amateur stuff to what we were producing and we made sense to stipulate good performances.

And this is what will bring down these agents plans. The guy with the money is in charge, the guy with the girls is not. Unless the girl is so special she's the 1 in 100. And then Wicked or someone like them will sign her.

There also comes the pont of being a cheap fuck also. Those prices will work for crack whores but not for the girls who are booked 4 - 5 days a week. But then again some of us must settle for the 4 cylinder compact car.

Exactly... If the chick is special she can command better money. 3 holes and pulse does not mean you should be paid top dollar. You have a mouth, this man over here a penis, and I have $100... The problem is that the huge economic bubble, that is now imploding, shot prices so high that people actually think $100 for a blow job is being a "cheap fuck". Fuck that...

The fake moaning and theatrics is never tolerated. I will throw the bitch out of the room for stunts like that. I love the ones that moan on insertion. Come on.

As to the 1 in 1000... They are gobbled up by SugarDaddy's long before Wicked ;) You are correct on the 1 in 100. This whole topic goes to new levels in your part of the world... Great genes.

...and some of us own exotics that are parked in the garages of our mansion.

You need to adjust your thinking to 2008 and the market conditions. We are in a deflationary spiral... that is taking all asset prices to 1997 levels. Wages will be there too.

Those girls being booked 4 to 5 times a week fall under the "special" category referred to by Paul above.... but even they can not survive when the macro picture is falling apart. For example, a local tile guy was laying marble at $15 sq ft + materials during the housing boom. He will now lay it for $5 sq ft... as the market conditions have changed, he needs to eat, and I may or may not want to lay the marble. The ying and yang of economic cycles...

If you are still paying what you paid in 2004-2006 for talent in 2008 you need to examine the situation more closely.

The list of girls working 4-5 days a week now is very short. And as you point out we're not always on their list. :1orglaugh

Exactly. A magazine shoot day is still worth $6,000 to $10,000 for the day and no worries paying out for those girls. In fact you have to pay out for them before anyone else does.

She needs to be an 8 to 10, out of 1 to 10. Brand new and for us teen looking. Not seen one for a long time. Girls are getting very wary of men holding camera these days. Or done a ton of work in the first fortnight. :winkwink:

Who is working 4-5 days a week? I need names please. His prices are pretty close... some a little low, some a little high. See any crack whore looking girls on www.POVPorn.com ??? I won't even meet a girl lest she's special. I have enough content for a year, I'd rather just plant another Avacado tree.

I tried to hire a model from goldstar the other day for a solo. no way... she works everyday and gets $1500 per scene :)

what an interesting thread.

times changing that is for sure.

Damn that's a four year old price list !

Would be nice to get girls fo rthat price, But I work on repeat bussiness from my girls. they stick to me because I pay fair.

As for all the crap in LA .. if there is such a shortage of work why are they recruiting girls out of country as I wrote earlier .. all it does is leave the girls with a bad taste from an expensive trip .. and in the end I'm the one that pays when the girls are turned off of shooting ... I have lost Gems in the past due to asshole producers that lyed and cheated the girls to doing cheap scenes (Get the girlto fly out to them on they;re own dime, then change all the bookings to reflect cheapper shoots, not giving the girls a chance to cancel if she wnats to get her money back form forkingout all the dough for the trip)

don't you know? as a reputable shooters we pick up the crap from all the bullshit in the industry. $02

I spoke at length with one of the "Big 3" last night. According to them, they and another one of the top agents want nothing to do with this whole thing. That the agent that pulled this meeting together is in panic mode and they went along to appease and to just see what was up. But according to them, they are out for themselves, this is why they all have seperate agencies in the first place, for their own independence and idealistic gain. So basically they could care less and have more of a "oh, your drowning? sorry, sucks for you" attitude towards the agent that wants this organization, and any other agency out there.

Now i don't know if that was the same attitude that your source gave you, but common sense, an understanding what is the ultimate goal of this biz, this discussion, and greed and self gain, says that this coalition will never come together. If it does, it will either won't last or be taken seriously. Its simple, there will always be agents who will want our money.

Example, if Jimmy Lifestyles was caught "breaking the rules" by Alisttalent, and they reported it to the coalition, does anyone really think the other agencies would call and cancel their bookings with me that they had set? That i, or any other producer, would be completely blacklisted by all other agencies cuz of incidents with others? That type9 would call me and say, "Hey Jimmy, i know we have 10 plus bookings with you this month, at least 3-4 a week, but you booked Brianna Beach (whom you've known long before she was with AList), around their back, so we are gonna have to go ahead and cancel all our bookings with you from now on because of the "coalition" we have made with the other agencies", lol. Come on, not gonna happen. So really, no worries, business as usual. :GFYBand

LOL!!! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every day... gawd... why do we even have these business discussions about not shooting. I guess we are out of the loop... hangers on, don't know the industry... wait... WE ARE THE INDUSTRY!!! I call bullshit on her agent, or she is the ONLY ONE working that much cause she's so fuckin hot she'll sell porn like no other.

If a model is booked every day for $1500.00 i say good luck to her. Im getting agencies send out e-mails with model at discounted rates which shows enterprise in these tough times. Better to work for a lower rate than not to work at all ? :winkwink:

shooters owe agents/pimps nothing - almost all the girls have myspace pages, the go on sexyjobs - book them directly at a negotiated price between producer and talent.

none of these agents are true agents - they're pimps. a judge will laugh them out of court if they try to sue a girl for breaking whatever contract they have these girls sign.

Well said jimbo.

wow... wild stuff