Thanks for sharing ...

I heard tubes are hurting car sales and the construction industry too.

Thats because you guys are promoting the wrong stuff :)

There is some truth to that too. :pimp All those sites that I used to make a killing on you can now find the entire members areas for free on torrents and illegitimate tube sites.

The sites that sell now for me are the smaller guys who are shooting stuff outside of porn valley with girls who aren't oversaturated and are taking measures to protect their content from being put out there for free everywhere.

Then once a site has it's content under control...THEN you can put stuff out for tube sites (yes, long clips included), but you can do it under your own conditions and terms...which is exactly what I'm preparing now.

So anybody that is an affiliate of mine that would like some nice 5 and 6 minute flv clips please contact me. I'm ready to roll on that phase now.

Times like these you have to focus on getting quality traffic and growing the traffic you're getting. Then it may or may not make sales, but if it doesn't it's because everyone else isn't making any sales either. Then when it picks up you'll have all that traffic that now suddenly is converting and things will pick up again.

You can't change the economy to make people buy but at least you can put yourself in a position that when the economy does change you can benefit.

The worst thing you can do is quit but I guess there is always a point where if you're not making any money you still need to eat.

sales going down, fucking truth

the past 10 days were like WTF WTF WTF when it comes to sales, that's for sure

where one going down others are going up.

Ok last week was slow!

Now we're doing ok again. Also our paysite which is in beta we tweak in the right direction where ratios rapidly go up.

im leaving adult

I sold 60 kilos of coke this month , down 10% so far :-(

I'll make that quota up for you right now! Do you take epass or paypal? :pimp

See sig...try something different.

I take epass I can send over my mules to deliver fast

Cool, I'll expect AIR3K in a few hours then. I'll go buy the ex-lax now so we can retrieve the product. :1orglaugh

intersting stuff.

yes, the problem is that before we were able to make sales because if the surfer wanted video, he had to join the site... now they get video right away, for free, and lots of it, so that they can surf around the tubes for a few minutes and find something to get off on and then they are done getting off....... pulling out a credit card is a ridiculous idea in their minds :2 cents:

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No need my mules already are trained and carry ExLax TURBO Prescription strength on em plus they dont eat for 12 hrs before a job and have to take mandatory enemas soo product upon retrieval isnt smelling like shit

I think we ask for 25 Billion bailout, fuck everyone else is getting one!!!

Lets get inline.

Ran out of rubber gloves...please have the mule bring some...

You're right, we changed our business model in January to allow customers to buy girls one by one instead of trying to get them to subscribe. We're ending up making much more this way but it became more difficult to compare with other programs.

Most affiliates will only talk about conversion ratios, but it's not accurate if the price paid per new client change all the time. With the signup model evolving, it's better to talk about how much you make per click sent. The detailed stats of our top 100 affiliates is public, you can check it out here: http://www2.totemcash.com/free/statistics.php (clikc on the "+" to unfold daily stats). Top guy made $14k with 100k clicks sent, that's about $0.13 per click. #100 affiliate made $337 sending us 4757 clicks, that's still $0.07 per click.

It's a softcore product so it does not work on all traffic, but you should calculate how much you make per click with your current sponsors, it's always interesting and might push you to start building softcore traffic.

And to respond to the original question of this thread, yes despite the current economical situation, some products are still going up, VirtuaGirl is.

http://cbanners.virtuagirlhd.com/cus...anner/1975.gif

The problem with threads like these is that you can't get honest answers from most people.
90% of the posters here are program owners, program reps, or sigwhores who are going to say their program (or the program that's paying them) is doing awesome....even if sales are down by 70% or something like that.

Sales are shit for sure....but I think it's the economy more than it is the tubes. Sure the tubes hurt...but if your ratios are going to shit and you're making less money on the same traffic, then it's more likely the economy.
If tubes were the problem it wouldn't affect your ratios, because those surfers aren't going to click an ad for a paysite.

The last days were terrible indeed, I'm sending about the same ammount daily (~ 12k uniques all sponsors combined) and the last days I barely made more than 2 sales a day overall. It sucks...it's sucks alot. :helpme

Ah, well, not like the lasts weeks were good, but it's definitely my 2 years lowest sales.

Confirmed :winkwink:

Switch sponsors, not everyone is doing horribly.

Honestly, when looking at my stats some niche sponsors still do pretty well, but compared to a year ago it's still a significant change.

I don't care if a program is going up overall (no offense, but that's not my business) because of new traffic sources, new affiliates, etc. I only care for my ratios, for the perspective of a single affiliate, and more traffic and less sales simply means things are becoming worse.

Switching sponsors and pushing new sites isn't a solution when the underlying real cause and problem persists.

Well dude.. what can you expect??

free content is everywhere.. . AND IM NOT TALKING ABOUT TUBES...

but extreme-board.com, planetsuzy or tooziq.com have any complete adult site you can tell... any site you want, you get their content for FREE for download at those forums, via rapidshare links..., for download for free.. and those forums have 10 times more active online users than GFY.com at any hour of the day...

All said.

Good thing you said all said... :thumbsup

I can only imagine .I had something like that

On my computer before those are awesome gonna sign up right now!!:thumbsup

Looks like I'll be down ~15% this month compared to last.

Excatly. Also, a guy that was making 10 sales per month and now makes 25, will say that it's better than it ever was :1orglaugh

On a positive note, i got my first whale ever on a cam site ! It happened a few days ago.
But don't get me wrong, cam sucks ass big time !
10 000 and 10 000's sent over the years to various cam programs and wasn't making real money. The only way is get a whale PERIOD.

Agreed.

I notice a lot of the places we get traffic from are WAY WAY down. Luckily for us, and our business model, we do a lot of our OWN promotion and branding. We also never set up an affiliate program, which sounds like is good.

Traffic seems to be down in referrals, but the bookmarkers, and direct traffic steady. How we MAKE the sales varies, but we are still where we need to be to hit the monthly goal. Last week was a nice membership sales on some sites, while others were tumbleweeds. Clip sales were off the hook. DVD down. But still on target for the month.

Ratios remain consistent as always. Time for some to make, or buy, content that actually converts and retains. See sig nig.

True, fucking, dat nig.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

Once again... da MAN has spoken. So fucking true BRO.

I can smell the bro love.

he and xxxjay are two of the few people here that are actually honest about business...

the economy is going to play a bigger role in sales in 09 than the tubes will..

i predict that 30-40% of the people in the industry will be gone by the end of the summer next year.. :2 cents:

One of the few things I agree with you on.

Most of those quitting are 1st world webmasters.. for example USA or Europe webmasters..

actually the average webmaster is earning less than a mcdonalds guy in USA...

Those who will stay in the biz are 3rd world webbies, because life there is still 10 times cheaper than in USA or Europe...

Seriously, I really don't understand how some.. let's say, British webmasters are doing.. life is DAMN expensive there.. they must earn at leat 10K per month clean cash to make a decent living... and those days are long over.. unless you are a program owner or you have some secret tactics you don't tell anyone and you are one of those in the 10%...

How you define 'webmaster' and what segment of the biz they are in would make a huge difference. Affiliates, yes. Some TGP, tube, traffic, guys... maybe.

But those of us who produce, promote, and traffic our own content are not going anywhere.

I can't predict the future. But I can tell you what I know from my looonnngggg experience in the entertainment business. And yes, I definitely consider the internet to now be a big form of entertainment and internet porn to be one of the biggest.

So I will tell you what I experienced in another "recession proof" business back in the late 1970's.

1978, 1979, 1980, and part of 1981 were pretty bad years for a lot of people in the U.S. The economy stunk, gas prices were higher than they are now if you equate 1978 dollars with 2008 dollars. Businesses were shutting down (for instance TG&Y was a big "walmart" type dept. store before walmart's were around....they closed up shop)

So anyway, unemployment was higher than it is now, gas was high (and there was gas rationing and shortages), percentage rates were through the roof (I had a bank CD that my grandparents got me that was earning 12%...that was pretty sweet)

And the news was full of the news of all this economic hardship.

Meanwhile I was on the road with my first rock band.

Business was NEVER better. Clubs were packed across the country 7 days a week and we were making top dollar as a cover band playing bars.

The old timers that ran the bars all told me that for the bar business, the worse things got for the rest of the economy the better it was for the bar business.

Now I'm not going to predict that it's gonna be the same for us. But I do believe that after the initial "freak out" period of a couple of months...we are going to see business pick up nicely.

Again, that's just my thoughts based on my experience that people crave an "escape" from their worries. Whether it be in nightclubs 30 years ago, or the internet today. They will find a way to "treat" themselves to something that makes life worth living.

When I lived in S.C. I had a lot of work done on my old home. And it was literally an "old" home. So I basically had it rebuilt over a couple of years. And the guys working on it were the usual cast of characters that do construction work in South Carolina. They didn't have much money, none of them owned a home, and a lot of them lived in rented trailers in a trailer park.

But no matter how bad things were for them...they would still show up at the local clubs I played at in my band on the weekend and they always seemed to find enough money for a bag of pot and plenty of beer.

I think it's human nature, and I think I'm gonna keep working hard and watch how this thing plays out and hope I'm right with my feeling that it's gonna work the same way for me now as it did in 1978. :)

I would agree the days of the American affiliate are very much in jeopardy.

But in reality, what is happening is that adult is becoming just as hard as mainstream. It always made me laugh when I saw people talking about how adult is dying and they are moving to mainstream. If you are struggling in porn, you'll die in mainstream.

Those that couldn't hack it in mainstream and found a life preserver in adult are going to drown in 2009.

When people won't take good advice, I've just learned to say, "fuck it". Let 'em get it how they get it.

Right there with ya Robbie. Our blogs see alot less than last year. But as far as our paysites,there is less affiliate sales but our type-ins are CRAZY GREAT!! and our paysite sales are actually way up from last year!!! Our sites convert like a crazy, but just less affiliate traffic coming in. Like you said "bad for them bad for me".

so you guys are maybe witnessing the possible fact that internet surfers in general are becoming a little bit more knowledgable and aware of ads and how to navigate and type n where they are going

it does seem that in the webmaster community for sure (mainstream and adult) that alot of affiliate link stripping and typing in goes on, probably a large majority actually

Not only is the shitty economy to blame, but the constant reminders every fucking minute of every day on every major news channel aren't helping things either. People are seeing this shit on tv all day long, panicking and pinching pennies like crazy.

Ready for your first "whale sized" chargeback adjustment? :Graucho :winkwink:

Hopefully your whale isn't with AWE... he may as well chargeback...

You should get into the mainstream arc before it's too late !

Rowan you biatch :1orglaugh
Don't spoil everything :1orglaugh

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Not only the sales are down also the orders for content are way way down :Oh crap

Seems that everybody is holding his hand on his pocket these days.