Excatly. Also, a guy that was making 10 sales per month and now makes 25, will say that it's better than it ever was :1orglaugh

On a positive note, i got my first whale ever on a cam site ! It happened a few days ago.
But don't get me wrong, cam sucks ass big time !
10 000 and 10 000's sent over the years to various cam programs and wasn't making real money. The only way is get a whale PERIOD.

Agreed.

I notice a lot of the places we get traffic from are WAY WAY down. Luckily for us, and our business model, we do a lot of our OWN promotion and branding. We also never set up an affiliate program, which sounds like is good.

Traffic seems to be down in referrals, but the bookmarkers, and direct traffic steady. How we MAKE the sales varies, but we are still where we need to be to hit the monthly goal. Last week was a nice membership sales on some sites, while others were tumbleweeds. Clip sales were off the hook. DVD down. But still on target for the month.

Ratios remain consistent as always. Time for some to make, or buy, content that actually converts and retains. See sig nig.

True, fucking, dat nig.
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Once again... da MAN has spoken. So fucking true BRO.

I can smell the bro love.

he and xxxjay are two of the few people here that are actually honest about business...

the economy is going to play a bigger role in sales in 09 than the tubes will..

i predict that 30-40% of the people in the industry will be gone by the end of the summer next year.. :2 cents:

One of the few things I agree with you on.

Most of those quitting are 1st world webmasters.. for example USA or Europe webmasters..

actually the average webmaster is earning less than a mcdonalds guy in USA...

Those who will stay in the biz are 3rd world webbies, because life there is still 10 times cheaper than in USA or Europe...

Seriously, I really don't understand how some.. let's say, British webmasters are doing.. life is DAMN expensive there.. they must earn at leat 10K per month clean cash to make a decent living... and those days are long over.. unless you are a program owner or you have some secret tactics you don't tell anyone and you are one of those in the 10%...

How you define 'webmaster' and what segment of the biz they are in would make a huge difference. Affiliates, yes. Some TGP, tube, traffic, guys... maybe.

But those of us who produce, promote, and traffic our own content are not going anywhere.

I can't predict the future. But I can tell you what I know from my looonnngggg experience in the entertainment business. And yes, I definitely consider the internet to now be a big form of entertainment and internet porn to be one of the biggest.

So I will tell you what I experienced in another "recession proof" business back in the late 1970's.

1978, 1979, 1980, and part of 1981 were pretty bad years for a lot of people in the U.S. The economy stunk, gas prices were higher than they are now if you equate 1978 dollars with 2008 dollars. Businesses were shutting down (for instance TG&Y was a big "walmart" type dept. store before walmart's were around....they closed up shop)

So anyway, unemployment was higher than it is now, gas was high (and there was gas rationing and shortages), percentage rates were through the roof (I had a bank CD that my grandparents got me that was earning 12%...that was pretty sweet)

And the news was full of the news of all this economic hardship.

Meanwhile I was on the road with my first rock band.

Business was NEVER better. Clubs were packed across the country 7 days a week and we were making top dollar as a cover band playing bars.

The old timers that ran the bars all told me that for the bar business, the worse things got for the rest of the economy the better it was for the bar business.

Now I'm not going to predict that it's gonna be the same for us. But I do believe that after the initial "freak out" period of a couple of months...we are going to see business pick up nicely.

Again, that's just my thoughts based on my experience that people crave an "escape" from their worries. Whether it be in nightclubs 30 years ago, or the internet today. They will find a way to "treat" themselves to something that makes life worth living.

When I lived in S.C. I had a lot of work done on my old home. And it was literally an "old" home. So I basically had it rebuilt over a couple of years. And the guys working on it were the usual cast of characters that do construction work in South Carolina. They didn't have much money, none of them owned a home, and a lot of them lived in rented trailers in a trailer park.

But no matter how bad things were for them...they would still show up at the local clubs I played at in my band on the weekend and they always seemed to find enough money for a bag of pot and plenty of beer.

I think it's human nature, and I think I'm gonna keep working hard and watch how this thing plays out and hope I'm right with my feeling that it's gonna work the same way for me now as it did in 1978. :)

I would agree the days of the American affiliate are very much in jeopardy.

But in reality, what is happening is that adult is becoming just as hard as mainstream. It always made me laugh when I saw people talking about how adult is dying and they are moving to mainstream. If you are struggling in porn, you'll die in mainstream.

Those that couldn't hack it in mainstream and found a life preserver in adult are going to drown in 2009.

When people won't take good advice, I've just learned to say, "fuck it". Let 'em get it how they get it.

Right there with ya Robbie. Our blogs see alot less than last year. But as far as our paysites,there is less affiliate sales but our type-ins are CRAZY GREAT!! and our paysite sales are actually way up from last year!!! Our sites convert like a crazy, but just less affiliate traffic coming in. Like you said "bad for them bad for me".

so you guys are maybe witnessing the possible fact that internet surfers in general are becoming a little bit more knowledgable and aware of ads and how to navigate and type n where they are going

it does seem that in the webmaster community for sure (mainstream and adult) that alot of affiliate link stripping and typing in goes on, probably a large majority actually

Not only is the shitty economy to blame, but the constant reminders every fucking minute of every day on every major news channel aren't helping things either. People are seeing this shit on tv all day long, panicking and pinching pennies like crazy.

Ready for your first "whale sized" chargeback adjustment? :Graucho :winkwink:

Hopefully your whale isn't with AWE... he may as well chargeback...

You should get into the mainstream arc before it's too late !

Rowan you biatch :1orglaugh
Don't spoil everything :1orglaugh

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Not only the sales are down also the orders for content are way way down :Oh crap

Seems that everybody is holding his hand on his pocket these days.

100 people who need to update their promo methods :)

holy typo traffic batman

I'm on the same boat as all of you guys. It's pretty sad to see how lame the sales are going.

:Oh crap:Oh crap

It's like a big wheel that keeps turning and turning :Oh crap