$1usd = $1.258

I don't think we're *that* fucked :)

harper -> Bill C-16 for fixed election date.
harper calls election and fails, ends up still a minority with 37%.
harper -> pisses off every single party
63% of canada did not vote for conservatives so lets see what happens with the coalition.

I for one want a black dude to be prime minister but thats hard to do in canada since we only have kardinal offishall

I'm glad harper will be out of the top seat.

It's the Teeeeeee. Dot!

lol.:thumbsup

Well, they cut the funding to their own party too and by the system, the conservatives stood to lose the most money. I think the conservatives stood to lose 10 million while the Liberals stood to lose $8m. But my numbers might be off, heard it on the news a couple weeks back.

Ya but the percentage of what they spent that was accounted for by the funding was lower whereas that money was a lifeline for the other parties. As it is by eliminating that cash political diversity is ended since parties like the Green party won't ever be able to get a start and we'll be left with a crappy two party system full of wedge politics.

I might add that the Reform Party, Harper's old party, needed that money when it was a small movement. As it stands the Conservatives are the only party that can campaign after that money is gone and the Liberals will be bankrupt.

I found it pathetically laughable to sit and wait tonight while Dion and the other idiots attempted to get their taped speeches to the national news as a follow-up to Harper's earlier speech to the nation.

The man who wants to be Prime Minister and the leader of our country can't even deliver a fucking tape to a news outlet on time. And then when it finally shows up close to half an hour late (they aired it on CTVNews.net station) - its out-of-focus and tightly cropped to make him look further like a buffoon.

This is the level of leadership you can expect from this coalition - incompetence.

$300 million for another election - versus - pumping billions in to Quebec to keep Duceppe and company appeased. And billions more handed to the autoworkers to keep Layton happy.

And who knows how much we'll fork over to enroll Dion in an 'Engrish as a second language" refresher course.

Its a no-brainer which of the evils I'm willing to accept.

Unbelievable.

I think Harper is playing political poker.

He wants them to take parliament because he knows the next several months will be bad. Liberals not the conservatives will get the blame. And should the gamble pay off this has the makings of creating a majority conservative government with wide margins in the next Canadian elections. Perhaps putting liberals into a minority for generations to come.

Lets not forget that what is now the Conservative Party of Canada was once a bunch of conservative parties that merged to take on the liberals. It's history repeating itself on the other side.

From Wikipedia:

The Canadian Alliance (in French Alliance Canadienne), formally the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance (or in French Alliance réformiste-conservateur Canadienne), was a Canadian conservative political party that existed from 2000 to 2003. The party was the successor to the Reform Party of Canada and inherited its position as the Official Opposition in the House of Commons and held it throughout its existence. The party supported policies that were both fiscally and socially conservative, seeking reduced government spending on social programs and reductions in taxation.

The Alliance was created out of the United Alternative initiative launched by the Reform Party and several provincial Tory parties as a vehicle to merge with the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. The federal PC Party under Joe Clark rebuffed the initiative to "unite the right". In December 2003, the Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservative parties voted to disband and merge into the Conservative Party of Canada.

While you may be correct on the history of the current Conservative party - the big difference between the merging of the Reform Party and factions of the remaining Conservative Party (not to forget the CRAP party under Stockwell Day; sic) - is the merger/alliance DID NOT INCLUDE SEPARATISTS.

Also - the Conservative/Reform merger took place before the subsequent election and ran with a platform that was widely promoted to Canadians prior to the election.

This unholy triumvirate has no such platform. Their agenda is completely unknown to Canadians.

:2 cents:Why don't people get it that Harper was NOT voted by a majority to be Prime Minister. A minority government has to work along with other parties to get things done. Harper is not willing to do that, so how about we let the other people with more votes get together to do it. All this BS about stealing the government is plain garbage.

Lots of the countries around the world use the parlimentary demoncracy model, and it works quite well.

Harper is bitching and calling names about "separatists", but he made the identical arrangements with the NDP & the Bloc a few years ago to do the exact same thing. He also worked with the Bloc to support his minority governments to keep himself in power, but now they are apparently the nasty folks. BTW, Stockwell Day did the same thing a few years earlier.

Anybody besides me wonder how come Harper has a tape of a NDP phone conversation. One of the reporters tried to ask about it tonight in an interview but got no response. I guess big brother is probably taping all phone calls & opening all the mail. Sure starting to sound like Watergate.

ps. SilentKnight: I used to have to go to Harpers' conservative Alberta all the time in the '80s to the companies regional offices for systems stuff. They kept telling me that I would soon need a passport because they planned on seperating. So are all these western conservatives separatists also.

Talking/musing about separation is a far cry from actively pursuing and promoting it as Parizeau and Duceppe have been doing all along.

Many Canadians often lament, "Hell, just let Quebec leave and get it done with," but when it comes down to the cold light of day they'd vote to keep Quebec for the sake of a unified country.

At least Americans aren't the only ones getting fucked by their government...

Where's Phil Fontaine when you need him?

I didn't want to jump in this but :mad:

Looks like you don't have a slight idea on how this works huh ?
YOU ARE PAYING ALL the parties with your TAXES. That includes the fucking "Bloc Québecois à marde"
They receive close to 2$ per votes, per YEAR !

Also, if the Liberals and the NPD don't get as much as Harper, guess why ? That's because people DON'T WANT THEM TO RECEIVE DA MONEY ! Period.
Don't forget that Harper would get it in the ass too, like all the other parties so what's the deal ?

Why would we fund parties ? Now you tell me !

You'd be surprise... We have soo many natural resource here we'd bank on selling electricity to the rest of Canada.

I think this coalition might be a good thing for the province of Quebec but with that said I'm not a separatist as I consider myself Canadian and not Quebecois.

Maybe we could have an Inuit as Prime Minister... At least the seals would be safe :upsidedow

Ok fine, then WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY DOING IT RIGHT NOW !
Like if Québec gets the fuck out of Canada, prosperity will arrive. Just like that. Bang.

Fact: Québec is DEAD last in Canada now for almost everything.
Fact: For years now, Québec receives over 8 000 000 000/YEAR (that's 8 billions) from the rich provinces.

Ostie qu'on est cave

Better then 50-50 that those dams wouldn't be in Quebec if they left. that land was ceded to Quebec as part of Canada and you can damn well bet the majority of ROC would want it back. You guys could bitch all you want but 20+ million would be calling the shots; not the 3-4 million in Quebec.



You hear this shit on the TV? If I have to hear one more Quebecer complain about the divisiveness of Harpers words and the damage that he is doing to national unity I'm going to throw up! Quebecers are the ones who sent a party dedicated to the destruction of Canada to Ottawa. Hows that for divisive and bad for unity. It was like sticking your fucking fingers in the ROC's eye and expecting people to say thank you. I wonder what you guys would think if we elected a party who's sole purpose was to break present day Quebec into pieces. I bet not a single one of them would say its perfectly fine and thats democracy; they'd be up in arms and rightly so.

Dion is a fucking idiot for handing the BQ and PQ this win win situation and somebody in his party better step in to stop this shit. These guys will end up in the history bin like the PC party if they get away with this shit.

Fabien nailed it.

Everyone seems to think that Canada is a democracy, which it isn't, it's a constitutional monarchy... What is happening now pisses me off more than I can tell, but it's not a surprise, far from it. It has nothing to do with Harper's decisions, it's simply a very poorly thought move to try and grab the power, with the Bloc sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong, again. Our future is in the hands of an ex tv host from Quebec, and the Queen, there's not much we can do to change anything at this point. This is just the perfect example of why we should do our best to go toward a democratic presidential system, even if there's very little chance of that happening. My only hope is that Canadians actually stick together in this time of crisis.

Exactly what i think.
We are not alone.
Radiopirate.com go there and you'll find a hole bunch of "lucides" like us.


stie :1orglaugh

Can you imagine, almost one out of 2 voted for the "Bloc Québecois" in Québec but when they are asked if they want to seperate, 1/3 only votes for it :1orglaugh
Bunch of assholes.

Soon i'll get the fuck out TABARNAKE before the entire boat sinks !

in order to keep those parties not only in existance, but under the control of the entire country? this isn't a motion that is to be passed, it should be a referendum of the entire country deciding if we want public funding, and public control, of our national parties.

furthermore, it isn't so much the major parties, but what about the smaller parties that needs these funs to not only come into existence, but stay as a power?

even the conservatives themselves are ripping each other apart for doing something THIS stupid.

this guy is supposed to be fixing the economy, not tearing the country apart.

that is a possibility, but there is other ways to out a possible coup than to give those conspirators REAL reason to be pissed off.

He proposed this without the backing of his own party. Mr. Sled-dog himself would have had kittens if he was opposition fighting this.

Lets get back to the jobs and money we're losing.

i would have to look the numbers up, but i find myself dismissing the importance; due to the fact that they would be in power while the others lose the necessary funding to make our government functional.

someone has already said, this is chump change. They could cancel just one military project to far offset this cost.

i disagree with you regarding Dion, and your argument that he's legitimizing the Bloc. Pulling the bloc into the federal government is necessary to include an element of Quebec that i believe has become misguided and slightly hypocritical. Quebec is as necessary to Canada as the the people in the west, and at least they vote not knowing who won.

I DO agree that the opposition should now back down. They will gain nothing with the point dropped from the budget, and this sends a clear message to the ruling minority that we won't be fucked with. No gay marriage issue, no abortion issue, no dictatorship.

danger!!!...... we will just have to wait and see

Too bad the separatists don't agree with you. They have said this will remove any doubt that the Bloc in Ottawa is not a good thing for Quebec sovereignty; it legitimizes them. They have already came out and said this is the exact purpose they saw for the Bloc when it was created. To create a dysfunctional parliament; a pizza parliament.

Just a few snippets of what they've been saying
Dion is a fucking idiot for opening this door up. Harper might have been knocking but make no mistake, Dion is the one who opened this unity door by forming a coalition with the Bloc.


Not one person voted on this coalition. In fact Dion said he would never form one and Layton said the same. Dion will lead his party to a massive defeat like the PC's were dealt in '93. People on their side are dreaming in technicolor if they think aligning with the NDP and Bloc won't boost the Cons numbers They'll grab an extra 8%-10% in an election and that would relegate the Liberals to the basement.

You are delusional if you thought Harper was going to open up gay marriage and abortion debates. Those battles have been fought and are history.

We're doomed.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics...632741-cp.html Shemp is right, this really IS entertaining political drama. :D

Lets add that the coalition claims to have formed because we need economic stimulus right now. If they were to defeat the government next week as they had planned the earliest they would have been able to present an economic stimulus package would have been in late February; more likely late March.

First they would have to go to the GG, then we're closed down until January for Christmas break. In January they would have to form their cabinet and then go to the GG for permission to form the new government. Then it would take 6-8 weeks for them to take over from the ruling Conservatives. That puts us into late February for the earliest they could introduce their stimulus package.

What would be in the stimulus package? We don't know and neither do they. They say to wait for when they are in power for specific details. They will have to consult their ?four wise men,?economic panel they are setting up. But wait, their so called superstar economic panel doesn't exist.

A bunch of lies from a corrupt party that can't stand not being in power led by a man so soundly rejected by Canadians, worst Liberal showing in their history, that his party has already asked him to step down and he's agreed. Now we get him as PM for 5 months and then some unnamed Liberal for 2 years after he steps down.

If they end up in power I will donate the maximum allowed under the law to help ensure they don't get elected in my area. I've already spoken with some people who run elections for Liberals in my area, Mississauga, and they are feeling the heat for this deal and know it will be a disaster the next electoral go around.

Hopefully the Liberal MP's wise up and tell the lame duck Dion to get the F out now.

What offends me about this whole thing is that the ONLY FUCKING THING that brought this about was an attack on the POLITICAL PARTIES????

Let's take a step back here...

If they decide to blow billions of dollars on stuff the Canadian public is outraged over, nobody cares.

If we're getting gauged at the pumps, corporations are fleecing us, all the banks are cashing in multi billion profits every 3 months - nobody does a fucking thing.

How about our offensive dairy board that inflates the prices of all dairy products by 2-3x normal, totally fucking the poor people of Canada, then also insures foreign producers face 300% tariffs to stop them from importing and competing... Nothing from these assholes.

But fuck with the money on their table, and they're ready to bring Canada to its knees via political ridiculousness? Sad really. Just shows you where their true values lie - in giving jobs to their families.

I find it very interesting that even Ignatiuf is attempting to distance himself from this coalition crap.

Hardly a peep from him lately.

i fucked harpers wife..he is mad

more people voted against Harper than they did for him, so no crying that this coalition gov isn't fair because that is not what the people voted for.

Absolutely correct in that more people voted against then for Harper. But what no one voted on and what is making most of us sane people mad about is that we are facing the possibility of a ruling party coming in with a platform that we've never even heard of!

I guarantee that if the Coalition had campaigned as a Coalition with no public agenda or platform, we'd have a majority Conservative government right now.

My problem is not with the fact that there is a potential Coalition government, my problem is that I don't know what they stand for other then some very vague promises to help the auto and forestry industries - both of which are poor industries to prop up imho. Put the money elsewhere, where it can do some good.

This is democracy in action. Unless one party can form a majority government on their own, then a coalition government can step in and take power. If they've got the votes, they've got the right.

It's especially necessary when the largest party refuses to cooperate with other parties when they're in a minority government. If you're in a minority government, you have to play ball. If you don't, then this is what happens. Canada is awesome.

No, WE didn't. YOU tried to, but YOU failed. Harper has a minority government, and he can only govern with the confidence of the parliament, which is who WE elected. 62% of people voted for the opposition parties. The current parliament has a majority of left wing MPs.

Harper proposes a confidence motion, confidence motion fails, government is toppled. This is elementary civics people, read a fucking book before crying about your lunatic evangelicals not being able govern like they are a majority when they are in fact a very very weak minority.

The ignorance of some Canadians on basic civic issues is astounding.