:2 cents:

Anyway people, don't freak out. This isn't the end to Canada as we know it. Coalition or not it will work it's self out and we'll all be back to talking about how much the Leafs suck soon enough lol :)

what, do they really think they can survive as an independent nation? (I mean, the people from Quebec)

pack your bags, we are moving to Cuba

great success !

so everyone here is fine with the ruling party of Canada moving to bankrupt the opposition?

We're all clear on the fact that the only true 'attack' on democracy here is cutting the public funding of OUR parties.

I hate to explain to everyone exactly what the fuck democracy is, but Harper got elected on a Minority government. There is no, 'THE WHOLE COUNTRY VOTED FOR HARPER, THIS IS UNDEMOCRATIC'. there is NONE of that. The rest of the country voted for people that decided to get together and STOP Harper from creating his own special dictatorship.

I hate to be the one that says it, but cutting party funding in the middle of a global recession is a power grab. end of story.

While reading the previous posts, North American Union and the Amero came to mind.
I hope I am wrong.

I don't think he honestly planned to at all, I think it was a plot to force the plan for a coup into the house floor... he knew it was going on, so brought up an issue that KNEW would bring it to light.

Once they did, he agreed to drop it

Seriously, check out how much tax money goes into that, the $$ amount is pennies in the actual budget haha .. so minute that it HAD to be just to start a shitstorm.

What Dion is doing isn't? This fuck nut who has already announced he is stepping down as liberal leader, wants to be PM for 5-6 months. Then he will be replaced by 'who knows who' for another two years. In the meantime he has managed to legitimize the Bloc in Ottawa and has them grinning from ear to ear . Handed the PQ some electoral life in the Quebec elections. Jack Layton gets the only hope his party has of ever getting a sniff at being in the federal government. Elizabeth May gets to join the Senate for life. All so Dion can be PM for 5-6 months and the Liberals who suffered their worst defeat in history get to regain power.


Harper played politics and got bitch slapped for it. He backed down and now its the oppositions turn to back the fuck down.

Correct. Like it or not, the move they're making to form a coalition government and usurp the tories is a provision within the constitution thus legal. Some are calling it a coup d'etat but I hope this is as close Canada ever comes to having one of those. Most coups I've read about have either started or ended with assassinations, many involved open warefare with much in the way of innocent bloodshed.

People thinking this is a coup don't know what one is.


The biggest reservations I have with this move is that I don't really place much confidence in the current liberal leader, and I don't much care for the idea of MPs with a separatist agenda moving from the opposition side to the side that's in the driver's seat.

Other than that I'm with you, it's incredible political drama unfolding before our eyes. I hazard a guess that we'll continue to see wounds like this opening and re-opening until we find a way to heal or deal with the separatist issue once and for all.

$1usd = $1.258

I don't think we're *that* fucked :)

harper -> Bill C-16 for fixed election date.
harper calls election and fails, ends up still a minority with 37%.
harper -> pisses off every single party
63% of canada did not vote for conservatives so lets see what happens with the coalition.

I for one want a black dude to be prime minister but thats hard to do in canada since we only have kardinal offishall

I'm glad harper will be out of the top seat.

It's the Teeeeeee. Dot!

lol.:thumbsup

Well, they cut the funding to their own party too and by the system, the conservatives stood to lose the most money. I think the conservatives stood to lose 10 million while the Liberals stood to lose $8m. But my numbers might be off, heard it on the news a couple weeks back.

Ya but the percentage of what they spent that was accounted for by the funding was lower whereas that money was a lifeline for the other parties. As it is by eliminating that cash political diversity is ended since parties like the Green party won't ever be able to get a start and we'll be left with a crappy two party system full of wedge politics.

I might add that the Reform Party, Harper's old party, needed that money when it was a small movement. As it stands the Conservatives are the only party that can campaign after that money is gone and the Liberals will be bankrupt.

I found it pathetically laughable to sit and wait tonight while Dion and the other idiots attempted to get their taped speeches to the national news as a follow-up to Harper's earlier speech to the nation.

The man who wants to be Prime Minister and the leader of our country can't even deliver a fucking tape to a news outlet on time. And then when it finally shows up close to half an hour late (they aired it on CTVNews.net station) - its out-of-focus and tightly cropped to make him look further like a buffoon.

This is the level of leadership you can expect from this coalition - incompetence.

$300 million for another election - versus - pumping billions in to Quebec to keep Duceppe and company appeased. And billions more handed to the autoworkers to keep Layton happy.

And who knows how much we'll fork over to enroll Dion in an 'Engrish as a second language" refresher course.

Its a no-brainer which of the evils I'm willing to accept.

Unbelievable.

I think Harper is playing political poker.

He wants them to take parliament because he knows the next several months will be bad. Liberals not the conservatives will get the blame. And should the gamble pay off this has the makings of creating a majority conservative government with wide margins in the next Canadian elections. Perhaps putting liberals into a minority for generations to come.

Lets not forget that what is now the Conservative Party of Canada was once a bunch of conservative parties that merged to take on the liberals. It's history repeating itself on the other side.

From Wikipedia:

The Canadian Alliance (in French Alliance Canadienne), formally the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance (or in French Alliance réformiste-conservateur Canadienne), was a Canadian conservative political party that existed from 2000 to 2003. The party was the successor to the Reform Party of Canada and inherited its position as the Official Opposition in the House of Commons and held it throughout its existence. The party supported policies that were both fiscally and socially conservative, seeking reduced government spending on social programs and reductions in taxation.

The Alliance was created out of the United Alternative initiative launched by the Reform Party and several provincial Tory parties as a vehicle to merge with the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. The federal PC Party under Joe Clark rebuffed the initiative to "unite the right". In December 2003, the Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservative parties voted to disband and merge into the Conservative Party of Canada.

While you may be correct on the history of the current Conservative party - the big difference between the merging of the Reform Party and factions of the remaining Conservative Party (not to forget the CRAP party under Stockwell Day; sic) - is the merger/alliance DID NOT INCLUDE SEPARATISTS.

Also - the Conservative/Reform merger took place before the subsequent election and ran with a platform that was widely promoted to Canadians prior to the election.

This unholy triumvirate has no such platform. Their agenda is completely unknown to Canadians.

:2 cents:Why don't people get it that Harper was NOT voted by a majority to be Prime Minister. A minority government has to work along with other parties to get things done. Harper is not willing to do that, so how about we let the other people with more votes get together to do it. All this BS about stealing the government is plain garbage.

Lots of the countries around the world use the parlimentary demoncracy model, and it works quite well.

Harper is bitching and calling names about "separatists", but he made the identical arrangements with the NDP & the Bloc a few years ago to do the exact same thing. He also worked with the Bloc to support his minority governments to keep himself in power, but now they are apparently the nasty folks. BTW, Stockwell Day did the same thing a few years earlier.

Anybody besides me wonder how come Harper has a tape of a NDP phone conversation. One of the reporters tried to ask about it tonight in an interview but got no response. I guess big brother is probably taping all phone calls & opening all the mail. Sure starting to sound like Watergate.

ps. SilentKnight: I used to have to go to Harpers' conservative Alberta all the time in the '80s to the companies regional offices for systems stuff. They kept telling me that I would soon need a passport because they planned on seperating. So are all these western conservatives separatists also.

Talking/musing about separation is a far cry from actively pursuing and promoting it as Parizeau and Duceppe have been doing all along.

Many Canadians often lament, "Hell, just let Quebec leave and get it done with," but when it comes down to the cold light of day they'd vote to keep Quebec for the sake of a unified country.

At least Americans aren't the only ones getting fucked by their government...

Where's Phil Fontaine when you need him?

I didn't want to jump in this but :mad:

Looks like you don't have a slight idea on how this works huh ?
YOU ARE PAYING ALL the parties with your TAXES. That includes the fucking "Bloc Québecois à marde"
They receive close to 2$ per votes, per YEAR !

Also, if the Liberals and the NPD don't get as much as Harper, guess why ? That's because people DON'T WANT THEM TO RECEIVE DA MONEY ! Period.
Don't forget that Harper would get it in the ass too, like all the other parties so what's the deal ?

Why would we fund parties ? Now you tell me !

You'd be surprise... We have soo many natural resource here we'd bank on selling electricity to the rest of Canada.

I think this coalition might be a good thing for the province of Quebec but with that said I'm not a separatist as I consider myself Canadian and not Quebecois.

Maybe we could have an Inuit as Prime Minister... At least the seals would be safe :upsidedow

Ok fine, then WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY DOING IT RIGHT NOW !
Like if Québec gets the fuck out of Canada, prosperity will arrive. Just like that. Bang.

Fact: Québec is DEAD last in Canada now for almost everything.
Fact: For years now, Québec receives over 8 000 000 000/YEAR (that's 8 billions) from the rich provinces.

Ostie qu'on est cave

Better then 50-50 that those dams wouldn't be in Quebec if they left. that land was ceded to Quebec as part of Canada and you can damn well bet the majority of ROC would want it back. You guys could bitch all you want but 20+ million would be calling the shots; not the 3-4 million in Quebec.



You hear this shit on the TV? If I have to hear one more Quebecer complain about the divisiveness of Harpers words and the damage that he is doing to national unity I'm going to throw up! Quebecers are the ones who sent a party dedicated to the destruction of Canada to Ottawa. Hows that for divisive and bad for unity. It was like sticking your fucking fingers in the ROC's eye and expecting people to say thank you. I wonder what you guys would think if we elected a party who's sole purpose was to break present day Quebec into pieces. I bet not a single one of them would say its perfectly fine and thats democracy; they'd be up in arms and rightly so.

Dion is a fucking idiot for handing the BQ and PQ this win win situation and somebody in his party better step in to stop this shit. These guys will end up in the history bin like the PC party if they get away with this shit.

Fabien nailed it.

Everyone seems to think that Canada is a democracy, which it isn't, it's a constitutional monarchy... What is happening now pisses me off more than I can tell, but it's not a surprise, far from it. It has nothing to do with Harper's decisions, it's simply a very poorly thought move to try and grab the power, with the Bloc sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong, again. Our future is in the hands of an ex tv host from Quebec, and the Queen, there's not much we can do to change anything at this point. This is just the perfect example of why we should do our best to go toward a democratic presidential system, even if there's very little chance of that happening. My only hope is that Canadians actually stick together in this time of crisis.

Exactly what i think.
We are not alone.
Radiopirate.com go there and you'll find a hole bunch of "lucides" like us.


stie :1orglaugh

Can you imagine, almost one out of 2 voted for the "Bloc Québecois" in Québec but when they are asked if they want to seperate, 1/3 only votes for it :1orglaugh
Bunch of assholes.

Soon i'll get the fuck out TABARNAKE before the entire boat sinks !

in order to keep those parties not only in existance, but under the control of the entire country? this isn't a motion that is to be passed, it should be a referendum of the entire country deciding if we want public funding, and public control, of our national parties.

furthermore, it isn't so much the major parties, but what about the smaller parties that needs these funs to not only come into existence, but stay as a power?

even the conservatives themselves are ripping each other apart for doing something THIS stupid.

this guy is supposed to be fixing the economy, not tearing the country apart.

that is a possibility, but there is other ways to out a possible coup than to give those conspirators REAL reason to be pissed off.

He proposed this without the backing of his own party. Mr. Sled-dog himself would have had kittens if he was opposition fighting this.

Lets get back to the jobs and money we're losing.

i would have to look the numbers up, but i find myself dismissing the importance; due to the fact that they would be in power while the others lose the necessary funding to make our government functional.

someone has already said, this is chump change. They could cancel just one military project to far offset this cost.

i disagree with you regarding Dion, and your argument that he's legitimizing the Bloc. Pulling the bloc into the federal government is necessary to include an element of Quebec that i believe has become misguided and slightly hypocritical. Quebec is as necessary to Canada as the the people in the west, and at least they vote not knowing who won.

I DO agree that the opposition should now back down. They will gain nothing with the point dropped from the budget, and this sends a clear message to the ruling minority that we won't be fucked with. No gay marriage issue, no abortion issue, no dictatorship.

danger!!!...... we will just have to wait and see

Too bad the separatists don't agree with you. They have said this will remove any doubt that the Bloc in Ottawa is not a good thing for Quebec sovereignty; it legitimizes them. They have already came out and said this is the exact purpose they saw for the Bloc when it was created. To create a dysfunctional parliament; a pizza parliament.

Just a few snippets of what they've been saying
Dion is a fucking idiot for opening this door up. Harper might have been knocking but make no mistake, Dion is the one who opened this unity door by forming a coalition with the Bloc.


Not one person voted on this coalition. In fact Dion said he would never form one and Layton said the same. Dion will lead his party to a massive defeat like the PC's were dealt in '93. People on their side are dreaming in technicolor if they think aligning with the NDP and Bloc won't boost the Cons numbers They'll grab an extra 8%-10% in an election and that would relegate the Liberals to the basement.

You are delusional if you thought Harper was going to open up gay marriage and abortion debates. Those battles have been fought and are history.

We're doomed.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics...632741-cp.html Shemp is right, this really IS entertaining political drama. :D