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starpimps 12-04-2008 12:55 PM

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yys 12-04-2008 01:02 PM

Lets add that the coalition claims to have formed because we need economic stimulus right now. If they were to defeat the government next week as they had planned the earliest they would have been able to present an economic stimulus package would have been in late February; more likely late March.

First they would have to go to the GG, then we're closed down until January for Christmas break. In January they would have to form their cabinet and then go to the GG for permission to form the new government. Then it would take 6-8 weeks for them to take over from the ruling Conservatives. That puts us into late February for the earliest they could introduce their stimulus package.

What would be in the stimulus package? We don't know and neither do they. They say to wait for when they are in power for specific details. They will have to consult their ?four wise men,?economic panel they are setting up. But wait, their so called superstar economic panel doesn't exist.

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If Stephen Harper had not delayed the confidence vote until next week, Stephane Dion and his co-conspirators, including the Quebec separatists, would have taken power. The plotters tried to ease the concerns of frightened Canadians by indicating that Jack Layton's NDP socialists would not control the purse strings.
Knowing that Canadians would never agree to the NDP in control of the economy, but also realizing that his partners would never accept being frozen out of key cabinet positions, Stephane Dion and the Liberals tried to square the circle by going outside of parliament for economic advice:

Known informally as the ?four wise men,? Roy Romanow, Frank McKenna, Paul Martin and John Manley have agreed to form a body of economic advisers in the event of the formation of a Liberal-NDP coalition government.
If everything goes according to script, the quartet will draw comparisons to the team assembled south of the border by U.S. president-elect Barack Obama, who has called on experienced hands to help him deal with the financial crisis.

Now it turns out there was no agreement. John Manley and Frank McKenna have not agreed, and in fact, have explicitly said they want no part of this:

Frank McKenna has decided he will not participate in the advisory panel, sources close to the former New Brunswick premier indicated last night, citing his commitments to the TD Bank, where he serves as deputy chairman.
Mr. McKenna was asked to join a group that would reportedly include former Saskatchewan New Democrat premier Roy Romanow, former Liberal finance minister John Manley and former prime minister Paul Martin. The panel was apparently inspired by the economic transition team assembled by U.S. president-elect Barack Obama.
Mr. Manley's involvement is now also uncertain.
"I haven't agreed to do anything," he said in an email to the Citizen last night. "I have the view that I should be available when called upon by the government for public service, but I do not know what this panel is supposed to do and I have not been asked to be part of something."

And Roy Romanow? According to his wife, he was surprised to discover he'd been asked to be a member of the panel. Only Paul Martin seems to be in. Four wise men is now one has-been. One report indicated the whole thing was an attempt to protect confidence in the coalition's economic acumen by diverting attention from the participation of the NDP.
I guess they have reason to be concerned. If the plan was to keep the NDP marginalized in cabinet, at least economically, then there would not have been any reason to imagine this advisory panel.
If the confidence vote had happened on Monday, we would be learning the truth about this non-existent panel too late.
Prorogue parliament. Canadians need time to learn what other lies are lurking behind the words and promises of the separatist coalition.
A bunch of lies from a corrupt party that can't stand not being in power led by a man so soundly rejected by Canadians, worst Liberal showing in their history, that his party has already asked him to step down and he's agreed. Now we get him as PM for 5 months and then some unnamed Liberal for 2 years after he steps down.

If they end up in power I will donate the maximum allowed under the law to help ensure they don't get elected in my area. I've already spoken with some people who run elections for Liberals in my area, Mississauga, and they are feeling the heat for this deal and know it will be a disaster the next electoral go around.

Hopefully the Liberal MP's wise up and tell the lame duck Dion to get the F out now.

Socks 12-04-2008 01:04 PM

What offends me about this whole thing is that the ONLY FUCKING THING that brought this about was an attack on the POLITICAL PARTIES????

Let's take a step back here...

If they decide to blow billions of dollars on stuff the Canadian public is outraged over, nobody cares.

If we're getting gauged at the pumps, corporations are fleecing us, all the banks are cashing in multi billion profits every 3 months - nobody does a fucking thing.

How about our offensive dairy board that inflates the prices of all dairy products by 2-3x normal, totally fucking the poor people of Canada, then also insures foreign producers face 300% tariffs to stop them from importing and competing... Nothing from these assholes.

But fuck with the money on their table, and they're ready to bring Canada to its knees via political ridiculousness? Sad really. Just shows you where their true values lie - in giving jobs to their families.

SilentKnight 12-04-2008 04:15 PM

I find it very interesting that even Ignatiuf is attempting to distance himself from this coalition crap.

Hardly a peep from him lately.

starpimps 12-04-2008 06:54 PM

i fucked harpers wife..he is mad

johnontilt 12-04-2008 07:24 PM

more people voted against Harper than they did for him, so no crying that this coalition gov isn't fair because that is not what the people voted for.

L0stMind 12-04-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by johnontilt (Post 15145753)
more people voted against Harper than they did for him, so no crying that this coalition gov isn't fair because that is not what the people voted for.

Absolutely correct in that more people voted against then for Harper. But what no one voted on and what is making most of us sane people mad about is that we are facing the possibility of a ruling party coming in with a platform that we've never even heard of!

I guarantee that if the Coalition had campaigned as a Coalition with no public agenda or platform, we'd have a majority Conservative government right now.

My problem is not with the fact that there is a potential Coalition government, my problem is that I don't know what they stand for other then some very vague promises to help the auto and forestry industries - both of which are poor industries to prop up imho. Put the money elsewhere, where it can do some good.

chodadog 12-04-2008 09:44 PM

This is democracy in action. Unless one party can form a majority government on their own, then a coalition government can step in and take power. If they've got the votes, they've got the right.

It's especially necessary when the largest party refuses to cooperate with other parties when they're in a minority government. If you're in a minority government, you have to play ball. If you don't, then this is what happens. Canada is awesome.

[db] 12-04-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by L0stMind (Post 15135129)
I feel that somehow democracy has failed. We just voted a platform/party into power because the other platforms were not what we wanted.

No, WE didn't. YOU tried to, but YOU failed. Harper has a minority government, and he can only govern with the confidence of the parliament, which is who WE elected. 62% of people voted for the opposition parties. The current parliament has a majority of left wing MPs.

Harper proposes a confidence motion, confidence motion fails, government is toppled. This is elementary civics people, read a fucking book before crying about your lunatic evangelicals not being able govern like they are a majority when they are in fact a very very weak minority.

The ignorance of some Canadians on basic civic issues is astounding.


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