I totally dont know. I removed everything on my computer when all my shit went down. I will look on my non porn server. Trixie might have them though, she did the shoot.

and Happy fucking Horrordays...I am blazing one up for you!

dude, you are the one selling russian content for $19 for 100 sets - now don't pretend as if you had any sympathy for the girls :2 cents:

its ok, im a sucker for nostalgia regarding my own online existence, those pics make me smile thinking about em.

being in love with and respecting bitches... WAY TO GO GUYS :thumbsup

i thought this biz goes after catching and making money out of wankers, not creating Chuck Norrises in porn world. geez... 90% of this globe is truly dumb... but hey, they rule... :2 cents:

Clients want the hot girls not toothless hags!!!!!

Unless you are playboy or penthouse you should not be paying models that much money. $150.00 for a b/g or g/g is pretty standard.

Ya' see that's what I'm talking about!!!!!

How the fuck do you pay $150.00 to a girl to fuck a guy on film?
A freaking AIM or talenttestingservice test is $150.00 and they have to have a test.

How the hell?

Do these girls have a real vagina, dude?

I thought of Seinfield saying the thread title and chuckled a bit :)

I want to shoot where you're shooting! :pimp

this seems extremely low - where is that?

You're comparing apples and oranges, the models naked body is published for the whole world to see forever while the photographer hides behind the camera... That is a lot harder to put a price on :2 cents:

Im wondering how the painting rates are then... :D

I am in Phoenix AZ, when I work with Camdough we would pay are models $150.00/hr for a live show. They normally were G/G.

The economy is really bad right now, models should even be lucky they have jobs.

I been modeling for a while now and book myself for a lot of photoshoots, events and calendar shoots.

For promo Modeling I get paid anywhere from $25.00/hr to $50.00/hr

Print work or tear-sheet is normally $50.00 to $100.00/hour somtime $150 if I am lucky.

If the model doesn't have an agent than $150.00 is good money.

if they ask for too much then just get others. there's more people who want jobs than there are jobs floating around.

Nice to see girls in the states are fucking on film for 3rd world rates :thumbsup

just get what you can pay :)

well, ok, per hour...

we don't pay per hour, we pay per scene. and one b/g or g/g scene may take between 1 and 2, sometimes with storyline up to 3 hours. and for that girls get about $450 - $500

with 2 b/g and some solo work girls might earn around $1000 per day with us, thats about the average monthly income in czech rep. for regular workers

Do the bitches pay taxes in czech ?

we advise them to do so - 99% probably don't

I can see both ends of this dilemma, since I've been on both sides of it. About 8 to 10 years ago I modeled some, and it made me feel great to be offered $300 an hour for solo modeling. I never did g/g or b/g so I couldn't tell you how much that's worth from a model's standpoint. But for solo work, I think it's fair to get $300 an hour. More than that? I doubt any girl is worth that much, unless she has a big name and is a celebrity like Jordan or Elle McPhearson and such.

From a photographer/webmaster point of view, it hurts to have to pay that amount of money for a girl to just get naked. Personally I would never pay a model more than $600 a day. And now that I'm in Mexico, I pay a girl $200 a day and she's extremely happy.

I agree that $800 or $1000 for solo is too much however the market dictates the prices..

good, at least there are a few.

:)

The market does NOT dictate the prices, the producers and companies paying talent do. If everyone said, ya know what, we are gonna pay $200 for solo, $400 for toys etc...what do you think the talent would do? They obviously cant strike, there is no union. They would have to accept those rates or go try and make a living in the real fucking world and make slave wages.

To all the people in here supporting these girls and continuing to give them more and more just because they think thats what their pussy is worth, just hand them a toy, bend over and let them fuck you in your ass. Thats basically what you are doing as they laugh themselves to the bank. Sorry to see so many who dont mind being played like a bitch.

A few problems with your thoughts and I hope to address them all. Please note, I am commenting as a producer of content as well as a site owner.

Yes, the market does dictate and you cannot consider that we all are in the same "market". Same industry yes, but same market NO.

I compete either directly or indirectly with probably 8-10 sites, all of which pay a typical model fee of $1000/day. Some of them pay more, some a little less. Models know this. The only way for that price to drop would be for all of us en masse to stop paying that level - WON'T HAPPEN. Sites that are pulling in $100k, $200K, $500K per month don't give a tiddly shit about $1000/day on a model when their ROI is 10-100 times that amount. So it is in fact those types of sites that drive the market. You can complain all you want, but the only solution is to not shoot if you can't compete.

I can certainly get one girl to do the same thing as another for a different price and in fact have paid one $600 for what I gave another $1300 for. I felt the more expensive one was worth what she was asking. Enough said.

Would I rather pay less? Of course I would, and I negotiate with every single girl. I negotiate even after they arrive (I book with a basic premise usually and inevitably talk with the model about other things when they are working with me), but I do accept that prices, agents, etc are all part of the game we are in.

Sucks if you can't afford to compete as I have been there, but do the best you can and work toward doing better/more. Anything else is just whining and complaining.

haha that made me laugh

Agents are key to a lot of this- They need to make their money to, the only problem with a lot of them is there's no room for negotiating the talent's rates, business is always one big negotiation and a lot of models don't get this. And MOST of the time its the girl herself who has certain demands to what she thinks she should be compensated to do the nasty on film.

When I started shooting in Los Angeles in 2003 Bj's were $150 and GG was $400 and BG was typically $800-$1000 and girls with BIG naturals could get more.

Now girls from what agents are demanding Bj's $400 GG $600-$800 and BG $900-$1100 I know girls BG rates that are $3,000!!!!!!!

As for the up keep a model needs to maintain to be a Model, well I worked out outside for free, I tanned for $50 bucks a month and nails $100 bucks including toes. Most sets have makeup and wardrobe and if not you basically need 10 sets of bras and panties and 5 outfits and a few High Heels that is not going to put a girl in debt, I did it and still had plenty of money, most girls don't manage their bank accounts.

Most of the girls that show up DO NOT workout, have bad acne, do not tan, their nails are not done, they have serious roots and need dye jobs, and most do not have cars. This is consistent in 6 years I have been doing this.

I think it's fair to the girls who do make this a job, who do take care of themselves, who look the part, tan, workout, get facials, great hair, clean nails , on time with a car who do MAINTAIN a model lifestyle should get any rate they want!

But I dont see why all girls get the same rate, the low end girls get paid the same as the 10's? The 10's put 100% of effort into their look, and the low end girls who are mediocre at best get paid the same amount? That doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.

When we shoot a girl, and she looks the part and does an amazing scene its a great day, we got the shots we need, we got the footage we need, most photographers will agree we will pay her great because we appreciate the effort that girl made and it made our day a lot easier.

I never walked in with an hourly rate, I had the attitude im here for the day lets fucking shoot! Whatever that may be, I never understood and still dont why girls demand so much money and want to only be there for an hour! Its like this is going on the internet for the rest of your life, dont you want it to look as good as possible? I see companies all the time giving high amounts of money and bribing the girls " yer gonna be in and out in a hour" HUH?

The fact of the matter is this is the highest legal paying profession in the world without going to school for 10 years, and there's 100's of girls in Los Angeles today NOT working and wondering why?

I never had a problem shooting for photogs for cheaper rates, it resulted in them hiring me more, in the long run I made more money doing that, then NOT shooting because I wasn't getting my "rate" and I knew the company would always hire me again and again.

this is a myth, so not true :2 cents:

i agree to most of that, just one problem: my clients (usually) do not pay more per scene when a girl is really excellent. on rare occasions i can demand something extra when a girl is really expensive, but otherwise i get a fixed amount per scene no matter how much i pay to the girl. thats why we offer all girls the same money and they either work for that money or not. otherwise i would have to pay it out of my pocket - which i will not.

and we had it a lot of times that girls demanded insane amounts of money so that we had to refuse them. a few months later when they ran out of jobs they came back and worked for the standard rate

That's when models should negotiate, either I make $300 bucks today or nothing. If they choose nothing, it makes sense why their always broke, but to me $300 is better than NOTHING!

women are lucky we don't just tie them to a rock and rape them repeatedly whenever we feel like. how dare they ask for money at all.

I don't know how you could compare being hot and fucking on camera to someone who works at Burger King. They should get paid for doing what they do.

then tell FTVRob to stop paying outragous amounts and making the bitches compare the rates to him!

This is ridiculous and something I have been hearing producers complain about since precious few even knew what an "internet" was. Pay the models what you want to pay them and stop blaming others for paying more. This is still America and freedom to run your business the way you want is a sacred right of living in a capitalist society.

Here is :2 cents: so you can pay your models more.

that the marketplace you idiot, the producers are the demand, the model's time they supply

the price they come to is the equilibrium price

so your talking market collusion, which is by definition a non market condition.
the problem with that is models will go to other jobs that pay more (like escorting) or that have less of a stigma at a lower price point (like swimwear modeling/catalog modeling etc)

that the principle of the marketplace you idiot, the equilibrium price is based on the amount people are willing to pay and the rate models are willing to give up there time.
drive the price to low and models will sell their time in a different field.
porn producers have to compete with every other revenue source the model has (her own site, escorting)

if you want better rates you have to negotiate based on non monetary values like branding , market reach, promotion, etc.

This thread needs Mr. E in action :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=55D1hK5kvGs


PS promote www.kickassgirlz.com it sells really well dispite Mr. E's constant crying :)

i guess that explains why you don't have a clue how this business works, even after you've been shooting content for the last 1-2 years for it. :winkwink:




well, maybe you should factor in the popularity of these models. by your own admission they are "well known", yet you want to pay them like they are anonymous slabs of meat you picked up at the greyhound station?? :D







the companies & producers that CAN afford to pay these girls top rates, is because thats what they are worth to them. and, since the girls have a worth that others are willing to pay, you had better come close to matching it - or continue to shoot girls that are posing for TFCD with you :) ...just because YOU can't afford to pay, doesnt mean everyone else can't

whether or not the country is in a recession apparently hasnt affected these girls or the others that are hiring them - unless they just dont want to shoot with you & are quoting you unflexible rates?? :upsidedow







So, if you find PLENTY of hot girls (from myspace) willing to model for free, then why would you even get upset over some well known & professional models not willing to do the same? Would it possibly be because:

- these myspace girls are flakes
- these myspace girls aren't pros & won't perform as well as a pro
- these myspace girls are complete unknowns and won't bring any sales from their non-established fanbase?





:glugglug

ahh now it makes sense!! getting girls to do this, versus getting girls to pose naked & do g/g - b/g = big difference in rates :)

ok, i understand, food isn't cheap :upsidedow

First of all, I didn't say they work "harder" than other people. I said that you weren't recognizing other factors (risks, expenses, time invested, lack of longevity, etc.) that should be considered in models' pay.

Secondly, get a fucking clue yourself -- you obviously don't know jack shit about what kind of work I do or have done in the past, but if you didn't have this extraordinary hatred of whores you might not have jumped to conclusions and taken even a cursory glance at one or more of the sites linked from my sig, profile, etc. and figured out that I *am* a photographer and a webmaster.

That is a good point, too.