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Blackamooka 12-03-2008 08:29 PM
HAI GUYZ! I just found this really informative video on the internet. Did you realize that George Bush is actually the most brilliant criminal mastermind in the history of man?!?

Who would have thunk it?

onwebcam 12-03-2008 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 15139719)
Not trying to choose sides, but: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=281_1226435789

But i DO think theres a bit more then just some arabs flying around.
Did you notice how that building fell sideways and not into it's own footprint?

WarChild 12-03-2008 09:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 15139981)
Did you notice how that building fell sideways and not into it's own footprint?
Did you notice that was a brick building with a completely different structure than the WTC?

tony286 12-03-2008 09:15 PM
too many people to pull it off. do i think they knew it was coming and did nothing yep. Did they do it nope.

The Duck 12-04-2008 08:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 15139719)
Not trying to choose sides, but: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=281_1226435789

But i DO think theres a bit more then just some arabs flying around.
That is a Russian apartment brick building. Not steel and not reinforced and designed to withstand what the wtc was. Interesting video none the less.

As I see it there will be two camps on this issue those who are already convinced of the controlled demolition theory and those who are already convinced of the official story. Noone will be able to turn anyone from the opposing camp no matter how much empiric evidence is provided. Each and every person must discover and make up his own opinion and conclusions about the events by doing the research. The problem is that most people get all their information from the mainstream when there is a giant body of work outside of that realm that should be taken into account.

The Duck 12-04-2008 08:23 AM


Here is some damning empirical evidence in the shape of molten metal explained by professor Steven Jones. There is just no way to explain the molten metal pools beneath all the collapsed buildings with the official theory as frame.

Darkland 12-04-2008 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141597)
Here is some damning empirical evidence in the shape of molten metal explained by professor Steven Jones. There is just no way to explain the molten metal pools beneath all the collapsed buildings with the official theory as frame.
OMG... Have you never studied physics? I have another experiment for you. Take a paper clip. Straighten it out and bend it in half. Repeat. After awhile notice the point that is doing all the bending is starting to generate it's own heat.

FUCK ME... Like I said earlier, IGNORE ALL THE DUMB FUCKING STEAL CAN'T MELT AT BLAH BLAH BLAH TEMPERATURES FROM THE FIRES.

It isn't ABOUT the temperatures, it is about the pressure and the heating up of the steal as it is bent and flattened to the ground.

Ever hear of a rail gun? Same principle based on friction and speed. It will turn the area of impact on a tank into butter.

If you are not going to listen to other facts NOT covered by these idiots who are only focusing on heat due to fire and not heat due to pressures under millions of tonnage of force then why even start this thread?

If you didn't want more ideas to consider, why did you start this thread?

I know physics is hard for the average lay person to understand but come on.

Malicious Biz 12-04-2008 09:32 AM
http://www.librarising.com/astrology.../davidicke.jpg

The Duck 12-04-2008 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15141821)
OMG... Have you never studied physics? I have another experiment for you. Take a paper clip. Straighten it out and bend it in half. Repeat. After awhile notice the point that is doing all the bending is starting to generate it's own heat.

FUCK ME... Like I said earlier, IGNORE ALL THE DUMB FUCKING STEAL CAN'T MELT AT BLAH BLAH BLAH TEMPERATURES FROM THE FIRES.

It isn't ABOUT the temperatures, it is about the pressure and the heating up of the steal as it is bent and flattened to the ground.

Ever hear of a rail gun? Same principle based on friction and speed. It will turn the area of impact on a tank into butter.

If you are not going to listen to other facts NOT covered by these idiots who are only focusing on heat due to fire and not heat due to pressures under millions of tonnage of force then why even start this thread?

If you didn't want more ideas to consider, why did you start this thread?

I know physics is hard for the average lay person to understand but come on.
Anyone can grasp elemental physics, it's very logical. We are talking molten pools of industrial strength steel that lasted for months. I do not see how something like that can occur naturally from fire or friction. You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.

sltr 12-04-2008 09:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)
You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.
you should crash a commercial jet into a high rise and get back to us.

The Duck 12-04-2008 09:54 AM
And you cant compare a railgun projectile to falling metal. Do you know how incredibly fast a railgun projectile travels? That is why it cuts tanks like butter.

The Duck 12-04-2008 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sltr (Post 15141912)
you should crash a commercial jet into a high rise and get back to us.
Apparently you do not have to do that to make a building collapse neatly into its own footprint, WTC 7.

http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/imgs/wtc7_pile.jpg

Twistys Tim 12-04-2008 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)
Anyone can grasp elemental physics, it's very logical. We are talking molten pools of industrial strength steel that lasted for months. I do not see how something like that can occur naturally from fire or friction. You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.
Are there similar documented reports from other controlled demolition sites of pools of molten steel found weeks after the demolition was conducted? If a pool of molten steel under building is an indication of it's controlled demolition, I would think that there would be ample evidence of this occurring at ALL the controlled demolitions of steel and concrete structures.

Darkland 12-04-2008 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)
Anyone can grasp elemental physics, it's very logical. We are talking molten pools of industrial strength steel that lasted for months. I do not see how something like that can occur naturally from fire or friction. You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.
Apparently you can't even grasp basic reading comprehension. I said nothing of fire, as a matter of fact I said FORGET ABOUT THE FIRE ANGLE. Damn you are thick.

I also never mentioned friction either except in reference to the rail gun. The rail gun was an example of NOT NEEDING FIRE TO CHANGE THE PROPERTIES OF STEEL.

And don't be moronic, I never said bending the paper clip would produce molten still, you did. Again, in case it is to hard for you to grasp the example, I was showing how metal can be forced to create heat WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FIRE.

IT IS CALLED PRESSURE.

Remain ignorant if you want, you definitely are showing it in this post I quoted because you entirely skirted around what I brought up, which is a fact, and went straight back to fire.

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15141933)
Are there similar documented reports from other controlled demolition sites of pools of molten steel found weeks after the demolition was conducted? If a pool of molten steel under building is an indication of it's controlled demolition, I would think that there would be ample evidence of this occurring at ALL the controlled demolitions of steel and concrete structures.
The indication is that thermite has been used, not that it is a run of the mill demolition job.

Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen, and does not require any external source such as air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered and may ignite in any environment, given sufficient initial heat. It will burn just as well while underwater, for example, and cannot even be extinguished with water, as water sprayed on a thermite reaction will instantly be boiled into steam. This is why the pools stayed hot and burning for such a long time.

sltr 12-04-2008 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15141933)
Are there similar documented reports from other controlled demolition sites of pools of molten steel found weeks after the demolition was conducted? If a pool of molten steel under building is an indication of it's controlled demolition, I would think that there would be ample evidence of this occurring at ALL the controlled demolitions of steel and concrete structures.
molten steel = certain conspiracy. there is no other explanation, not even physics can account for it. please think for yourself and don't fall for the facts/research/science.

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15141990)
Apparently you can't even grasp basic reading comprehension. I said nothing of fire, as a matter of fact I said FORGET ABOUT THE FIRE ANGLE. Damn you are thick.

I also never mentioned friction either except in reference to the rail gun. The rail gun was an example of NOT NEEDING FIRE TO CHANGE THE PROPERTIES OF STEEL.

And don't be moronic, I never said bending the paper clip would produce molten still, you did. Again, in case it is to hard for you to grasp the example, I was showing how metal can be forced to create heat WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FIRE.

IT IS CALLED PRESSURE.

Remain ignorant if you want, you definitely are showing it in this post I quoted because you entirely skirted around what I brought up, which is a fact, and went straight back to fire.
No, it's called friction. Point pressure does not create heat without friction.

sltr 12-04-2008 10:18 AM
~5 pounds of thermite to burn a small hole in this car engine. so np getting plenty of thermite into the wtc buildings unseen

http://www.guzer.com/videos/thermite_car.php

georgeyw 12-04-2008 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 15136681)
Did that building have millions of tons of debris hit the ground next to it, and on it? Did that building have thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was burning in it too? Did that building have the same structure as building 7?
Burning diesel fuel? Planes in the USA run on diesel ? :1orglaugh

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:24 AM
In the film 911 eyewitnesses there are numerous testimonies by firefighters and other rescue workers who say they heard ground level explosions.

Watch this

sltr 12-04-2008 10:29 AM
this just in:

gallagher destroyed the wtc buildings with a nano-thermite-coated sledge-O-matic as proofed in these photos-

http://www.debunking911.com/gallagher.jpg

Twistys Tim 12-04-2008 10:32 AM
Is there a long history of Thermite being used in the demolition of steel and concrete structures?

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:35 AM
For a possible explanation on how they could have rigged the buildings, view the interview with Scott Forbes in the documentary 'the elephant in the room' about 10 minutes in or view parts of it below.

WarChild 12-04-2008 10:42 AM
I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this failure.

sltr 12-04-2008 10:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15142271)
I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this failure.
you're checkin in.:thumbsup

KillerK 12-04-2008 10:50 AM
Whoever doesn't think it's possible needs to help. However I do not think we did it.

WarChild 12-04-2008 10:51 AM
Hey Kandah, when did you go to visit the WTC site and see with your own two eyes the pools of molten steel you're talking about?

What's that, you didn't? Oh sorry, they don't exist. Mass Hypnosis and you were lied to.

See how easy that was?

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15142316)
Hey Kandah, when did you go to visit the WTC site and see with your own two eyes the pools of molten steel you're talking about?

What's that, you didn't? Oh sorry, they don't exist. Mass Hypnosis and you were lied to.

See how easy that was?
I did not, but others did. Even the mainstream media picked up on it.

WarChild 12-04-2008 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15142358)
I did not, but others did. Even the mainstream media picked up on it.

Oh, sorry, the mainstream media is just lying to you. It's all mass hypnosis, sorry.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 15137185)
i'm no explosives expert but did timothy mcveigh use miles of invisible wiring and invisible equipment ?
Yes and somehow the building blew out toward where the bomb went off.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 15137223)
The media would have been all over this like white on rice. If this was an 'inside job' don't you think the NY Times or the Washington Post would have been all over it?. Hell, those 2 newspapers have no problems exposing things that have caused national security problems.

You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15137343)
Hang on -- that's another matter. We were talking about the collapse of WTC7, not the hi-jackings. To prepare a building for a successful controlled demolition takes weeks of preparation, that involves stripping the interior of the inside of the building, to expose key support columns. Non-load bearing partitions and drywall need to be removed to expose the columns. Selected columns on floors where explosives will be set are drilled and nitroglycerin and TNT are placed in the holes. Smaller columns and walls are wrapped in detonating cord.

This isn't the kind of thing that would go unnoticed by the people working in the WTC7 building. Especially as many of the residents were secret service agents, who might be more than a bit curious as to why their office has been stripped and rigged with TNT (unless they were all in on the plan as well).

It don't add up, and could not have happened. If it can be proved that the fire did not bring the WTC7 building down, then there would have to be another explanation for the collapse as the controlled demolition theory could not have happened without being exposed to scrutiny / discovery during it's planning, and reporting of those accounts after the fact.
What really doesn't make sense is Larry Silverstein saying he made the decision to "pull" the building.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15137584)
Conspiracy nutjobs:

Final Report - Nov. 20, 2008 - NIST Report on WTC 7 Collapse - http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

Now please stop spouting off your crap about fires never bringing down similar buildings or someone said to "pull it" unless you can show how the analysis and contributions from the hundreds of experts is bogus.
LOL...experts

Kudles 12-04-2008 11:11 AM
Well that makes you think

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:24 AM
I think one thing that is very clear and should go without argument is....I should read the entire thread before I start replying.

The Duck 12-04-2008 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142595)
I think one thing that is very clear and should go without argument is....I should read the entire thread before I start replying.
Good call Sean :)

SeanHart 12-13-2008 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142401)
You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?
Funny how this thread died when I asked a question that couldn't be answered?

cykoe6 12-13-2008 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15190250)
Funny how this thread died when I asked a question that couldn't be answered?
Speaking of questions that cannot be answered.......... how is it possible for you to be this incredibly stupid yet still have survived this long? It defies all statistical probability and calls into question the entire Theory of Evolution. Perhaps you would be willing to donate yourself to science for further study? :winkwink:

Kudles 12-13-2008 12:08 PM
Thats crazy

Vixenator 12-13-2008 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142401)
You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?
Because it wasn't a live image? That would be the most plausible explanation, to a sane person... Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?

cykoe6 12-13-2008 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vixenator (Post 15190917)
Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?
The source is the voices in his head. :1orglaugh

onwebcam 12-13-2008 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vixenator (Post 15190917)
Because it wasn't a live image? That would be the most plausible explanation, to a sane person... Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

I think it's pretty obvious that isn't a background image. And you'll notice that once they figured out the building was still behind her they cut the feed.

CNN also had a reporter reporting it's collapse 1 hour before with the building in the background.

StickyGreen 12-13-2008 03:41 PM
Don't worry everyone.

False Flag attacks NEVER happen.

And NO ONE on this planet has EVER CONSPIRED to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals.

Everything is perfectly fine, we live in an all-perfect utopian world today, no need to worry about anything. Go back to watching football or American Idol.

The Duck 12-13-2008 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 15191778)
Don't worry everyone.

False Flag attacks NEVER happen.

And NO ONE on this planet has EVER CONSPIRED to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals.

Everything is perfectly fine, we live in an all-perfect utopian world today, no need to worry about anything. Go back to watching football or American Idol.
http://i37.tinypic.com/10p1wqu.jpg

StickyGreen 12-13-2008 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackamooka (Post 15139893)
HAI GUYZ! I just found this really informative video on the internet. Did you realize that George Bush is actually the most brilliant criminal mastermind in the history of man?!?

Who would have thunk it?
lol what an idiot. Why would you assume that George W. Bush was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks? How ridiculous...

AL QAEDA MOSTLY PLANNED 9/11, PEOPLE. DUH. They were just helped out financially and were allowed to carry out their plan.

The CIA essentially created Al Qaeda. Look into Zbigniew Brzezinski's (Obama's foreign policy advisor) relationship to Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda back in the day.

But I'm sure that instead of wanting to learn the truth about things, you'd rather dismiss this all as crazy talk. So sad. I guess it's just human nature though. People think things they don't know about or understand are automatically false and crazy.

Overload 12-13-2008 08:59 PM
one cant argue with US citizens about this ... they are bound, tied and threatened by the patriot act. anyone THERE is object to prosecution if he has OWN thoughts and really questions the officials ...

one question tho ... WHY HAS ALL THE RUBBLE BEEN SHIPPED TO OVERSEAS BEFORE ANY INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE? HUH?

stickyfingerz 12-13-2008 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 15142111)
Burning diesel fuel? Planes in the USA run on diesel ? :1orglaugh
You sir are brilliant... First we were discussing building 7 which had a generator system run on diesel fuel.

Quote:
Mechanical equipment was installed on floors four through seven, including 12 transformers on the fifth floor. Several generators in the building were used by the Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney and others.[6] Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.[7] Fuel oil distribution components were located at ground level, up to the ninth floor.[8] After the World Trade Center bombings of February 26, 1993, New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani decided to situate the emergency command center and associated fuel tanks at 7 World Trade Center. Although this decision was criticized in light of the events of 9/11, the fuel in the building is today not believed to have contributed to the collapse of the building.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] The roof of the building included a small west penthouse and a larger east mechanical penthouse.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Try to keep up there slick.

Bake 12-13-2008 09:51 PM
OK say this is true GW did this for his reasons?

What will you do about it?

Post on GFY that will fixx thummm

The Duck 12-13-2008 09:51 PM
Why are you arguing about diesel this diesel that. Look at the video, the building came down like someone blew on a house of cards. Ridicolous to say it was due to natural damage given the circumstances.

Overload 12-13-2008 09:58 PM
nutha question ... to anyone who ever sat at a campfire ... if it smokes, it means the temperature is relatively low - because of moist wood or the lack of oxygene ... and yet, the officials claim that burning office interior caused temperatures close to 3000°F causing the steel to melt? thats rubbish ... mind you, we all saw the vast majority of plane fuel combusted in a big fireball right after the impact ... the whole story doesnt ad up ... also, how come satelite pictures show HIGHER temperatures in the BASE of the towers than where the planes crashed in? serious ... aint that a big HUH? also, if you watched loose change closely, you wudda seen evidence ... the steel close to the ground aint bend - it was as if it was CUT by a thermite load ... i wont eat the GWB shit ... 911 was a huge fake to start a war ... fact


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