Originally Posted by Martin (Post 15136892)

Interesting Tenants of Wtc 7.

Floor
46-47 Mechanical floors
28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International
7 OEM generators and day tank
6 Switchgear, storage
5 Switchgear, generators, transformers
4 Upper level of 3rd floor, switchgear
3 Lobby, SSB Conference Center, rentable space, manage
2 Open to first floor lobby, transformer vault upper level, upper level switchgear
1 Lobby, loading docks, existing Con Ed transformer vaults, fuel storage, lower level switchgear

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15137571)

That is just an explanation you have come up with, I have not seen any evidence supporting it.

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 15139048)

Hey Shit for brains... Your in Scandinavia. Were you ever in The WTC?. My husband and I use to go through WTC daily to work. We use to walk past WTC 7 daily....

God damn your a retard.

Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 15139207)

So with this logic, one could walk by a Honda service center everyday, then be able to diagnose an issue with a broke down civic.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 15139207)

So with this logic, one could walk by a Honda service center everyday, then be able to diagnose an issue with a broke down civic.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by mrkris (Post 15139232)

Everyone has "facts", so this argument will never end. Maybe it was an inside job. Maybe we knew about it but let it happen, who knows.

The only thing I do know, is how amazing it is to see three buildings fall down so neatly. I'm also amazed at how punctual NORAD was at saying, "Hey guys, there is a plane that went way off course, and is now flipping a bitch and going to NYC, sup?"

Originally Posted by iMind (Post 15137539)

Guys the US government would NEVER do a false flag operation..

Here's a nice PDF that PROVES that they would NEVER do something like that, I Suggest reading it and enlightening yourself.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20...northwoods.pdf

It clearly shows they always tell the truth.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15137557)

Never say never. We are dealing with very clever people who can and will lie to its people and then ship them off to war to die for nothing in the name of a false war on terror and lies about weapons of mass destruction. Now they are talking about war with Iran and Pakistan and back we are trapped in the loop of fear and trauma based brainwashing.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 15137588)

Exactly. rigging a building for CD is a monumental task, even in an abandoned building, and takes weeks to months, with conspicuous people and equipment in plain view. I'm sorry, but pulling down a building doesn't involve a few ninjas throwing some bombs behind plants and desks.

These nutjobs either don't know about this, or are just so caught up in their hatred for the government, that they tune it out.

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 15138154)

hey, i've done my research.

you asked for an explanation, i gave you one + pictures + physics + testimony from people there. and as expected, you can't acknoweldge it or the fact that you could be wrong. that's childish, as you always are.

moreover, as a citizen of the united states i can say that if there were a line of people who questioned their government i would be at the front. that's why i can say with complete certainty our government is incapable of pulling off a conspiracy of this magnitude.

you should maybe live here for awhile or at least have visited here maybe once before you point your finger and claim we are all sheep and you are the one with the inside scoop based on youtube videos of course.

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 15138642)

i'm sure if you were in that position that day every word you stated would of been clear, concise and accurate.

Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 15139248)

wtf is so amazing einstein?

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 15139241)

You totally missed the point. The buildings around the 2 WTC towers were used as counter weights. When you take away the the 2 towers, the ground became unstable and the balance was radically changed. Its a basic physics principal.

And BTW, Honda's are great cars. Ive never had any real problems with my 2 CRVs.

Originally Posted by Z (Post 15139230)

Ok, let's just humor you for a second and say that you MIGHT be right.

WTF are you going to do about it?

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15136441)

Official explanation: Local fires caused the core frame to weaken causing a perfect vertical implosion.

I dont buy it and I would like to hear what you guys have to say about it.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15136450)

interesting... never seen this discussion play out.

i must have missed the whole thing.

what is this 9/11 you speak of?

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15136603)

Please give me one example of a building that has collapsed in a similar way due to fire. You can't and your argument is now dead.

Originally Posted by AnalProbe (Post 15136622)

I knew this since 2002 already...

The best vidz available are widely banned, not so easy to find...

Don't have much time at this moment to search, the real sensitive stuff gets deleted at uploaded with new names all the time at Youtube...

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15136660)

Aluminum cans are hollow and does not have massive steel core columns. The whole analogy is absurd.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 15136681)

Did that building have millions of tons of debris hit the ground next to it, and on it? Did that building have thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was burning in it too? Did that building have the same structure as building 7?

Originally Posted by AnalProbe (Post 15136705)

Here you go :

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15136713)

Tell me you are not that thick. Several floors were destroyed when the plane crashed in there at 100's of miles per hour. Forget the dumb fucking steal can't melt at blah blah blah temperatures when in point of fact what you SHOULD be thinking about is the damage to the steel core by the impact making it and every floor above it structurally compromised.

What steel support is left sits there holding up 100's and 1,000's of tons or more of building. When it begins to fail, all that massive tonnage of building comes straight down like a hand crushing the top of an alumminum can collapsing the steel frame on the floor below by sheer brute force. Adding the weight of that to the next floor which collapses and so forth by the steadily increasing weight that is coming down at unimaginable pressures.

Yes the core was made to hold up the building, what is wasn't made to withstand was the pressure of part of that building collapsing down several floors instantly. After that physics takes over and for all intents and purposes it behaves just like that aluminimum can.

Originally Posted by Number1Thumb (Post 15136746)

OK enough already, this 911 thing has been cracked, lets move on to that Kennedy quandry. Im still in progress of mapping out the grassy knoll, anyone with info please let me know.

Originally Posted by Martin (Post 15136892)

Interesting Tenants of Wtc 7.

Floor
46-47 Mechanical floors
28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International
7 OEM generators and day tank
6 Switchgear, storage
5 Switchgear, generators, transformers
4 Upper level of 3rd floor, switchgear
3 Lobby, SSB Conference Center, rentable space, manage
2 Open to first floor lobby, transformer vault upper level, upper level switchgear
1 Lobby, loading docks, existing Con Ed transformer vaults, fuel storage, lower level switchgear

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 15136913)

When people say "no building in history has ever collapsed like that" I always just think back and wonder how during ALL of those other incidents of 2 commercially hijacked planes full of people and fuel crashing into all those OTHER giant twin towers.. how come all those other buildings didnt collapse the same way?

It's creepy I'm telling you.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15137058)

Here we go again, more of Kandah's nonsense. Why even bother with him? Really, just let him think what he wants. It's not like it makes any difference what a few retards believe happened or didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Number1Thumb (Post 15137000)

Cmon, common sense has no place here.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 15137185)

i'm no explosives expert but did timothy mcveigh use miles of invisible wiring and invisible equipment ?

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 15137165)

"For me it just seems more impossible to have a group of terrorist trained on single engine planes and from reading books take over 4 huge planes full of people with pocket knives then go on to hit 75% of their targets and knock down 3 huge steel framed buildings over the most heavily guarded air spaces in the world."

yeah

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 15138746)

What's so interesting about the Tenants? The only interesting one is the CIA, and it's pretty clear that the CIA isn't going to keep anything of interest in a local field office. The CIA operates under cover; I'm sure they have dozens of offices in NYC alone that no one knows about.

Originally Posted by donkevlar (Post 15139448)

Anti conspiracy theorists... conspiracy theorists.. I can't decide who I hate more.

Some questions from someone in the middle...

1. Why do you anti conspiracy theorists say shit like "how could the government keep it a secret between thousands of people" when they think a group of a handful of afganis planned it by themselves and did it? You are skewing your arguments even further than the tinfoil hatters.

Take all the information with a grain of rice, don't dismiss the idea because of crazy 1 sided arguments.

At the VERY LEAST our government CREATED AND TRAINED Bin Laden just like they did SADAM and tons of people to KILL millions. If you firmly believe that Bin Laden did this, the US is still responsible.

I'm sure it's not as complicated as some make it seem.

The gov could have also straight up "let it happen".

They know about it, they calculate the good for them vs the bad and let it through. Everyone's scared, willing to let their prez invade whatever he wants for a bit, make billions from the war. Good money.

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 15138434)

During an interview in 2002 for the PBS documentary America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero, Mr. Silverstein said this about the fate of building 7 on 9/11:

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." ?Larry Silverstein

The conspiracy theorists (hereafter referred to as ?CTs?) believe that Silverstein was ordering the FDNY to demolish, or to allow to be demolished, building 7.

the CTs are in such a hurry to get to the ?pull it? phrase that they neglect to read the statement carefully. While I will provide much evidence in this paper that?s intended to convince the most hardcore CT, all that?s really necessary is to apply a bit of logic to the Silverstein statement, so I?ll start by doing that.

The setting: Larry Silverstein is being interviewed by a documentary crew from PBS. He calmly, clearly describes what happened. CTs would have us believe that Silverstein accidentally let it slip ? twice, for a national TV audience ? that he ordered his building to be demolished! Does that make any sense whatsoever? Can the CTs give an example of a similar ?accidental confession? of a monumental crime in the history of the world? Keep in mind that if Silverstein thought he had said something wrong, he could simply have asked the crew to shoot that part again. Silverstein is a very smart guy who is in full possession of his mental faculties. He didn?t ?slip up.?

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander...?
That was 32-year-veteran FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro, who was in charge of the World Trade Center incident following Chief of Department Peter Ganci?s death in the collapse of the north tower. Silverstein was at home with his wife when he received the courtesy call from Chief Nigro in the afternoon.

Update



Whomever Silverstein spoke with, it wasn't Chief Nigro. As reported by "Ref" at the JREF forum, Chief Nigro did not speak with Silverstein:

"I am well aware of Mr. Silverstein's statement, but to the best of my recollection, I did not speak to him on that day and I do not recall anyone telling me that they did either. That doesn't mean he could not have spoken to someone from FDNY, it just means that I am not aware of it." Source




?...telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire...?
That?s correct, as we will see in great detail below.

?...and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.'?
Let?s use some logic. Was Silverstein saying,

?We?ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to blow up my building,?

or was he saying,

?We?ve had such terrible loss of life that it would be wise to withdraw firefighters to prevent further loss of life??

Be honest, CTs. Which statement makes sense, and which is completely absurd?

Next, did Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer, have the world?s largest fire department at his beck and call? Of course not. Larry Silverstein had no say in how firefighting operations in New York City were conducted. He may have liked to think that Chief Nigro was calling him for a consultation, but that idea is laughable. It was a courtesy call.

?And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
Who made the decision to pull? They. The fire department. Not ?Me,? not ?We.? They. This is ridiculously obvious to anyone but a CT. Does the FDNY demolish buildings with explosives? No, they pull their people away from buildings that are too dangerous to be near. The ?we? in ?we watched the building collapse? is Silverstein and his wife. Silverstein was not at the WTC site.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15136603)

Please give me one example of a building that has collapsed in a similar way due to fire. You can't and your argument is now dead.

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 15139719)

Not trying to choose sides, but: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=281_1226435789

But i DO think theres a bit more then just some arabs flying around.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 15139981)

Did you notice how that building fell sideways and not into it's own footprint?

Originally Posted by mrfrisky (Post 15139719)

Not trying to choose sides, but: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=281_1226435789

But i DO think theres a bit more then just some arabs flying around.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141597)

Here is some damning empirical evidence in the shape of molten metal explained by professor Steven Jones. There is just no way to explain the molten metal pools beneath all the collapsed buildings with the official theory as frame.

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15141821)

OMG... Have you never studied physics? I have another experiment for you. Take a paper clip. Straighten it out and bend it in half. Repeat. After awhile notice the point that is doing all the bending is starting to generate it's own heat.

FUCK ME... Like I said earlier, IGNORE ALL THE DUMB FUCKING STEAL CAN'T MELT AT BLAH BLAH BLAH TEMPERATURES FROM THE FIRES.

It isn't ABOUT the temperatures, it is about the pressure and the heating up of the steal as it is bent and flattened to the ground.

Ever hear of a rail gun? Same principle based on friction and speed. It will turn the area of impact on a tank into butter.

If you are not going to listen to other facts NOT covered by these idiots who are only focusing on heat due to fire and not heat due to pressures under millions of tonnage of force then why even start this thread?

If you didn't want more ideas to consider, why did you start this thread?

I know physics is hard for the average lay person to understand but come on.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)

You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.

Originally Posted by sltr (Post 15141912)

you should crash a commercial jet into a high rise and get back to us.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)

Anyone can grasp elemental physics, it's very logical. We are talking molten pools of industrial strength steel that lasted for months. I do not see how something like that can occur naturally from fire or friction. You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.

Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15141889)

Anyone can grasp elemental physics, it's very logical. We are talking molten pools of industrial strength steel that lasted for months. I do not see how something like that can occur naturally from fire or friction. You bend a paperclip until it starts to drip molten metal and get back to me.

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15141933)

Are there similar documented reports from other controlled demolition sites of pools of molten steel found weeks after the demolition was conducted? If a pool of molten steel under building is an indication of it's controlled demolition, I would think that there would be ample evidence of this occurring at ALL the controlled demolitions of steel and concrete structures.

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15141933)

Are there similar documented reports from other controlled demolition sites of pools of molten steel found weeks after the demolition was conducted? If a pool of molten steel under building is an indication of it's controlled demolition, I would think that there would be ample evidence of this occurring at ALL the controlled demolitions of steel and concrete structures.

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15141990)

Apparently you can't even grasp basic reading comprehension. I said nothing of fire, as a matter of fact I said FORGET ABOUT THE FIRE ANGLE. Damn you are thick.

I also never mentioned friction either except in reference to the rail gun. The rail gun was an example of NOT NEEDING FIRE TO CHANGE THE PROPERTIES OF STEEL.

And don't be moronic, I never said bending the paper clip would produce molten still, you did. Again, in case it is to hard for you to grasp the example, I was showing how metal can be forced to create heat WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FIRE.

IT IS CALLED PRESSURE.

Remain ignorant if you want, you definitely are showing it in this post I quoted because you entirely skirted around what I brought up, which is a fact, and went straight back to fire.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 15136681)

Did that building have millions of tons of debris hit the ground next to it, and on it? Did that building have thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was burning in it too? Did that building have the same structure as building 7?