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sltr 12-04-2008 10:29 AM

this just in:

gallagher destroyed the wtc buildings with a nano-thermite-coated sledge-O-matic as proofed in these photos-

http://www.debunking911.com/gallagher.jpg

Twistys Tim 12-04-2008 10:32 AM

Is there a long history of Thermite being used in the demolition of steel and concrete structures?

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:35 AM

For a possible explanation on how they could have rigged the buildings, view the interview with Scott Forbes in the documentary 'the elephant in the room' about 10 minutes in or view parts of it below.


WarChild 12-04-2008 10:42 AM

I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this failure.

sltr 12-04-2008 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15142271)
I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this failure.

you're checkin in.:thumbsup

KillerK 12-04-2008 10:50 AM

Whoever doesn't think it's possible needs to help. However I do not think we did it.

WarChild 12-04-2008 10:51 AM

Hey Kandah, when did you go to visit the WTC site and see with your own two eyes the pools of molten steel you're talking about?

What's that, you didn't? Oh sorry, they don't exist. Mass Hypnosis and you were lied to.

See how easy that was?

The Duck 12-04-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15142316)
Hey Kandah, when did you go to visit the WTC site and see with your own two eyes the pools of molten steel you're talking about?

What's that, you didn't? Oh sorry, they don't exist. Mass Hypnosis and you were lied to.

See how easy that was?

I did not, but others did. Even the mainstream media picked up on it.






WarChild 12-04-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15142358)
I did not, but others did. Even the mainstream media picked up on it.





Oh, sorry, the mainstream media is just lying to you. It's all mass hypnosis, sorry.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 15137185)
i'm no explosives expert but did timothy mcveigh use miles of invisible wiring and invisible equipment ?

Yes and somehow the building blew out toward where the bomb went off.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 15137223)
The media would have been all over this like white on rice. If this was an 'inside job' don't you think the NY Times or the Washington Post would have been all over it?. Hell, those 2 newspapers have no problems exposing things that have caused national security problems.


You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim (Post 15137343)
Hang on -- that's another matter. We were talking about the collapse of WTC7, not the hi-jackings. To prepare a building for a successful controlled demolition takes weeks of preparation, that involves stripping the interior of the inside of the building, to expose key support columns. Non-load bearing partitions and drywall need to be removed to expose the columns. Selected columns on floors where explosives will be set are drilled and nitroglycerin and TNT are placed in the holes. Smaller columns and walls are wrapped in detonating cord.

This isn't the kind of thing that would go unnoticed by the people working in the WTC7 building. Especially as many of the residents were secret service agents, who might be more than a bit curious as to why their office has been stripped and rigged with TNT (unless they were all in on the plan as well).

It don't add up, and could not have happened. If it can be proved that the fire did not bring the WTC7 building down, then there would have to be another explanation for the collapse as the controlled demolition theory could not have happened without being exposed to scrutiny / discovery during it's planning, and reporting of those accounts after the fact.

What really doesn't make sense is Larry Silverstein saying he made the decision to "pull" the building.

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hershie (Post 15137584)
Conspiracy nutjobs:

Final Report - Nov. 20, 2008 - NIST Report on WTC 7 Collapse - http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

Now please stop spouting off your crap about fires never bringing down similar buildings or someone said to "pull it" unless you can show how the analysis and contributions from the hundreds of experts is bogus.

LOL...experts

Kudles 12-04-2008 11:11 AM

Well that makes you think

SeanHart 12-04-2008 11:24 AM

I think one thing that is very clear and should go without argument is....I should read the entire thread before I start replying.

The Duck 12-04-2008 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142595)
I think one thing that is very clear and should go without argument is....I should read the entire thread before I start replying.

Good call Sean :)

SeanHart 12-13-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142401)
You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?

Funny how this thread died when I asked a question that couldn't be answered?

cykoe6 12-13-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15190250)
Funny how this thread died when I asked a question that couldn't be answered?

Speaking of questions that cannot be answered.......... how is it possible for you to be this incredibly stupid yet still have survived this long? It defies all statistical probability and calls into question the entire Theory of Evolution. Perhaps you would be willing to donate yourself to science for further study? :winkwink:

Kudles 12-13-2008 12:08 PM

Thats crazy

Vixenator 12-13-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanHart (Post 15142401)
You say that like the government doesn't influence the media at all.

Can anyone explain why BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 20 minutes before the collapse with a live image of WTC 7 in the background?

Because it wasn't a live image? That would be the most plausible explanation, to a sane person... Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?

cykoe6 12-13-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixenator (Post 15190917)
Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?

The source is the voices in his head. :1orglaugh

onwebcam 12-13-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixenator (Post 15190917)
Because it wasn't a live image? That would be the most plausible explanation, to a sane person... Is there a source on this or are you basing it on your personal observations?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

I think it's pretty obvious that isn't a background image. And you'll notice that once they figured out the building was still behind her they cut the feed.

CNN also had a reporter reporting it's collapse 1 hour before with the building in the background.

StickyGreen 12-13-2008 03:41 PM

Don't worry everyone.

False Flag attacks NEVER happen.

And NO ONE on this planet has EVER CONSPIRED to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals.

Everything is perfectly fine, we live in an all-perfect utopian world today, no need to worry about anything. Go back to watching football or American Idol.

The Duck 12-13-2008 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 15191778)
Don't worry everyone.

False Flag attacks NEVER happen.

And NO ONE on this planet has EVER CONSPIRED to do ANYTHING to achieve their goals.

Everything is perfectly fine, we live in an all-perfect utopian world today, no need to worry about anything. Go back to watching football or American Idol.

http://i37.tinypic.com/10p1wqu.jpg

StickyGreen 12-13-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackamooka (Post 15139893)
HAI GUYZ! I just found this really informative video on the internet. Did you realize that George Bush is actually the most brilliant criminal mastermind in the history of man?!?

Who would have thunk it?

lol what an idiot. Why would you assume that George W. Bush was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks? How ridiculous...

AL QAEDA MOSTLY PLANNED 9/11, PEOPLE. DUH. They were just helped out financially and were allowed to carry out their plan.

The CIA essentially created Al Qaeda. Look into Zbigniew Brzezinski's (Obama's foreign policy advisor) relationship to Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda back in the day.

But I'm sure that instead of wanting to learn the truth about things, you'd rather dismiss this all as crazy talk. So sad. I guess it's just human nature though. People think things they don't know about or understand are automatically false and crazy.

Overload 12-13-2008 08:59 PM

one cant argue with US citizens about this ... they are bound, tied and threatened by the patriot act. anyone THERE is object to prosecution if he has OWN thoughts and really questions the officials ...

one question tho ... WHY HAS ALL THE RUBBLE BEEN SHIPPED TO OVERSEAS BEFORE ANY INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE? HUH?

stickyfingerz 12-13-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 15142111)
Burning diesel fuel? Planes in the USA run on diesel ? :1orglaugh

You sir are brilliant... First we were discussing building 7 which had a generator system run on diesel fuel.

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Mechanical equipment was installed on floors four through seven, including 12 transformers on the fifth floor. Several generators in the building were used by the Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney and others.[6] Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.[7] Fuel oil distribution components were located at ground level, up to the ninth floor.[8] After the World Trade Center bombings of February 26, 1993, New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani decided to situate the emergency command center and associated fuel tanks at 7 World Trade Center. Although this decision was criticized in light of the events of 9/11, the fuel in the building is today not believed to have contributed to the collapse of the building.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] The roof of the building included a small west penthouse and a larger east mechanical penthouse.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Try to keep up there slick.

Bake 12-13-2008 09:51 PM

OK say this is true GW did this for his reasons?

What will you do about it?

Post on GFY that will fixx thummm

The Duck 12-13-2008 09:51 PM

Why are you arguing about diesel this diesel that. Look at the video, the building came down like someone blew on a house of cards. Ridicolous to say it was due to natural damage given the circumstances.

Overload 12-13-2008 09:58 PM

nutha question ... to anyone who ever sat at a campfire ... if it smokes, it means the temperature is relatively low - because of moist wood or the lack of oxygene ... and yet, the officials claim that burning office interior caused temperatures close to 3000°F causing the steel to melt? thats rubbish ... mind you, we all saw the vast majority of plane fuel combusted in a big fireball right after the impact ... the whole story doesnt ad up ... also, how come satelite pictures show HIGHER temperatures in the BASE of the towers than where the planes crashed in? serious ... aint that a big HUH? also, if you watched loose change closely, you wudda seen evidence ... the steel close to the ground aint bend - it was as if it was CUT by a thermite load ... i wont eat the GWB shit ... 911 was a huge fake to start a war ... fact

Overload 12-13-2008 10:10 PM

one more funny thing to think about ... the towers came down in a big fire ... leaving only dust and tiny bits of debris ... but ... HEY! they found PASSPORTS of the terorists who flew the planes? oh my ... sure, all burnt but the crucial papers to identify the culprits were intact? c'mon! use yer brains! aint that trash after all?

stickyfingerz 12-13-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah (Post 15193057)
Why are you arguing about diesel this diesel that. Look at the video, the building came down like someone blew on a house of cards. Ridicolous to say it was due to natural damage given the circumstances.

I like ya man, but you are a tinfoil hat lover. lol

The Duck 12-14-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 15193085)
I like ya man, but you are a tinfoil hat lover. lol

If there was a fucking tinfoil suit, I would buy it :)

cykoe6 12-14-2008 09:36 AM

Threads like this are actually quite helpful as they help separate those that are ordinary everyday imbeciles from those that are completely unhinged.

SeanHart 12-17-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15194223)
Threads like this are actually quite helpful as they help separate those that are ordinary everyday imbeciles from those that are completely unhinged.

Yes, we are all as crazy and look like that guy in your avatar....but yet you still haven't answered my question.

BeHeadR 12-17-2008 04:41 PM

Ok - first I don't know why on earth people focus so much on the way the towers collapsed - in the big picture it is totally irrelevant and has been used as a red herring.

So let's start with some undisputed, provable facts:

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1999: British Intelligence Warns Al-Qaeda Plans to Use Aircraft, Possibly as Flying Bombs

MI6, the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use ?commercial aircraft? in ?unconventional ways,? ?possibly as flying bombs.? [Sunday Times (London), 6/9/2002]
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March 1999: Germany Provides CIA Hijacker?s Name and Telephone Number

German intelligence gives the CIA the first name of hijacker Marwan Alshehhi and his telephone number in the United Arab Emirates. The Germans learned the information from surveillance of suspected Islamic militants. They tell the CIA that Alshehhi has been in contact with suspected al-Qaeda members Mohammed Haydar Zammar and Mamoun Darkazanli. He is described as a United Arab Emirates student who has spent some time studying in Germany. [US Congress, 7/24/2003 ; Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg), 8/13/2003; New York Times, 2/24/2004] The Germans consider this information ?particularly valuable? and ask the CIA to track Alshehhi, but the CIA never responds until after the 9/11 attacks. The CIA decides at the time that this ?Marwan? is probably an associate of bin Laden but never track him down. It is not clear why the CIA fails to act, or if they learn his last name before 9/11. [New York Times, 2/24/2004] The Germans monitor other calls between Alshehhi and Zammar, but it isn?t clear if the CIA is also told of these or not.
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August 12, 2000: Italian Intelligence Wiretap of Al-Qaeda Cell Reveals Plan for Massive Aircraft-based Strike

Italian intelligence successfully wiretaps an al-Qaeda cell in Milan, Italy, starting in late 1999. [Boston Globe, 8/4/2002] In a wiretapped conversation from this day, Abdulsalam Ali Abdulrahman, a section chief in Yemen?s Political Security Organization (PSO - roughly the equivalent to the FBI in the US) traveling on a diplomatic passport (see Spring-Summer 1998), talks about a massive strike against the enemies of Islam involving aircraft and the sky. The conversation takes place in a car on the way to a terrorist summit near Bologna (see August 12, 2000 and Shortly After), and the person Abdulrahman talks to is Mahmoud Es Sayed, a close associate of al-Qaeda second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri (see Before Spring 2000). There are several significant aspects to the conversation:

Abdulrahman makes comments indicating he has foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks. He says that he is ?studying airlines,? comments, ?Our focus is only on the air,? and tells Es Sayed to remember the words ?above the head.? He also says that next time they meet he hopes to bring Es Sayed ?a window or piece of the airplane,? and that the security on Alitalia and at Rome airport is poor. The name of the operation is given as ?Jihadia,? and Abdulrahman says, ?the big blow will come from the other country: one of those blows no one can ever forget.? He adds: ?[It is] moving from south to north, from east to west: whoever created this plan is crazy, but he?s also a genius. It will leave them speechless.? He also says: ?We can fight any power using candles and airplanes: they will not be able to stop us with even their most powerful weapons. We must hit them. And keep your head up.? Remember, the danger in the airports.? If it happens the newspapers from all over the world will write about it.?

Es Sayed remarks, ?I know brothers who went to America with the trick of the wedding publications.? The phrase ?Big wedding? is sometimes used by al-Qaeda as code for a bombing or attack, including 9/11 (see November 30, 1999 and Late Summer 2001), so, taken together with Abdulrahman?s remarks, this indicates an unconventional attack in the US using aircraft;

Beginning in October 2000, FBI experts will help Italian police analyze the intercepts and warnings. Related conversations are overheard early the next year (see January 24, 2001 and February 2001). The Italians understood enough to give the US an attack warning in March 2001 (see March 2001).
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January 24, 2001: Italians Hear of Brothers Going to US for ?Very, Very Secret? Plan, Other Clues

On this day, Italian intelligence hears an interesting wiretapped conversation eerily similar to the one from August 12, 2000 (see August 12, 2000). This one occurs between al-Qaeda operatives Mahmoud Es Sayed (see Summer 2000) and Ben Soltane Adel, two members of al-Qaeda?s Milan cell. Adel asks, in reference to fake documents, ?Will these work for the brothers who are going to the United States?? Sayed responds angrily, saying: ?don?t ever say those words again, not even joking!? If it?s necessary? whatever place we may be, come up and talk in my ear, because these are very important things. You must know? that this plan is very, very secret, as if you were protecting the security of the state.? This will be only one of many clues found from the Italian wiretaps and passed on to US intelligence in March 2001 (see March 2001). However, they apparently will not be properly understood until after 9/11. Adel is later arrested and convicted of belonging to a terrorist cell, and Es Sayed will flee to Afghanistan in July 2001. [Guardian, 5/30/2002]
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June 2001: Germans Warn of Plan to Use Aircraft as Missiles on US and Israeli Symbols

German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain?s intelligence agency, and Israel?s Mossad that Middle Eastern militants are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack ?American and Israeli symbols, which stand out.? A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (Frankfurt), 9/11/2001; Washington Post, 9/14/2001; Fox News, 5/17/2002]
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June 13, 2001: Egypt Warns that Bin Laden Wants to Assassinate President Bush with an Explosives-Filled Airplane

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak later claims that Egyptian intelligence discovers a ?communiqué from bin Laden saying he wanted to assassinate President Bush and other G8 heads of state during their summit in Genoa, Italy? on this day. The communiqué specifically mentions this would be done via ?an airplane stuffed with explosives.? The US and Italy are sent urgent warnings of this. [New York Times, 9/26/2001] Mubarak will claim that Egyptian intelligence officials informed American intelligence officers between March and May 2001 that an Egyptian agent had penetrated al-Qaeda. Presumably, this explains how Egypt is able to give the US these warnings. [New York Times, 6/4/2002]

HomerSimpson 12-17-2008 04:43 PM

it was inside job
there are like 10.000 threads on gfy about it...
nobody gives a fuck anymore...

BeHeadR 12-17-2008 04:43 PM

A little more....

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July 16, 2001: British Spy Agencies Warn Al-Qaeda Is in The Final Stages of Attack in the West

British spy agencies send a report to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top officials warning that al-Qaeda is in ?the final stages? of preparing an attack in the West. The prediction is ?based on intelligence gleaned not just from [British intelligence] but also from US agencies, including the CIA and the National Security Agency,? which cooperate with the British. ?The contents of the July 16 warning would have been passed to the Americans, Whitehall sources confirmed.? The report states there is ?an acute awareness? that the attack is ?a very serious threat.? [London Times, 6/14/2002]
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Late July 2001: Egypt Warns CIA of 20 Al-Qaeda Operatives in US; Four Training to Fly; CIA Is Not Interested

CBS later reports, in a long story on another topic: ?Just days after [Mohamed] Atta return[s] to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn?t sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes].? [CBS News, 10/9/2002] This appears to be just one of several accurate Egyptian warnings from their informants inside al-Qaeda.
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Late Summer 2001: Jordan Warns US that Aircraft Will Be Used in Major Attack Inside the US

Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah?s men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named ?The Big Wedding,? is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. ?When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations.? The Christian Science Monitor will call the story ?confidently authenticated? even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/2002; Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/2002] It has been reported elsewhere that in July 2001, Jordan warns the US that al-Qaeda is planning an attack inside the US, but it is unknown if this is referring to the same warning or a separate one (see July 2001). In late July 2001, the king of Jordan will offer the US to send two battalions of Jordanian special forces to Afghanistan to eliminate al-Qaeda havens there (see July 24, 2001).
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August 2001: Russia Warns US of Suicide Pilots

Russian President Vladimir Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/2002] The head of Russian intelligence Nikolai Patrushev also later states, ?We had clearly warned them? on several occasions, but they ?did not pay the necessary attention.? [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/2001] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001, will claim, ?Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened.? Interestingly, the article will claim that at least two of the militants were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/2001]
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Early August 2001: Britain Warns US Again; Specifies Multiple Airplane Hijackings

Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning on July 16, 2001 (see July 16, 2001), was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is said to reach President Bush. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 5/19/2002]

BeHeadR 12-17-2008 04:44 PM

lolz.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...h2_830a.h2.jpg

In 2002, Rice said, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that those people could take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." But when presented with overwhelming evidence that the administration had been warned about such a plot, she admitted privately to the 9/11 Commission that she "misspoke." Yet, even after this admission, she proceeded to repeat the same claim, writing in a recent Washington Post op-ed, "we received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles."


http://blogs.chron.com/beltwayconfidential/ari2.jpg

White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer echoed Rice's remarks: "Never did we imagine what would take place on September 11 where people use those airplanes as missiles and weapons."


http://www.imagecatchernews.com/port...es/11_bush.jpg

President Bush on April 18: "Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale."


http://www.commondreams.org/headline...es/1214-01.jpg

March 24: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told the Commission: "I knew of no intelligence during the six-plus months leading up to September 11 to indicate terrorists would hijack commercial airlines, use them as missiles to fly into the Pentagon or the World Trade Center towers."


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