Where did I say anything about the Queen being the "primary decision maker in Canada's government"? The governor general is the queen's representative, and I think we should eliminate that position (or get rid of its ties to the monarch).

oh, and she is officially the head of state.

Canada is a colony. And now, one without an elected parliament.

Good stuff.

heil Harper

Harper days as PM will be over soon. Look, I admitted that I don't really like the far Left governing this country, but I think most people would agree that when the Liberal was in power this country seems to manage well even though the Liberal was corrupted (remeber that sponsor scandals??). Just look at the last 8 yrs in the US and comparing that with the last 6 years before Harper came to power, we were pretty well off.

You've been dancing around it the whole thread, starting with your "Oh, and who is responsible for allowing this? The Queen" comment.

Yes, as a holdover formality. Like I said, she doesn't have to consult the queen before approving a prorogue of parlaiment.

That I agree with in full.

Figurehead is the more accurate term.

Wrong on both counts, but I bet if you keep posting it enough it will eventually magically become true.

:thumbsup fucking nice. Saw RATM in Vienna with Prodigy and Die Fantastiche Fier. Bad fucking ass :)

its not irrelevant, Harper tried to use the Bloc to his advantage when it suited him...
just as he offered a terminally ill independent MP a life insurance policy, if he would vote with the conservatives... he is no less a weasel than the other politicians...

"Branches: Executive--Queen Elizabeth II (head of state represented by a governor general),"

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2089.htm


Procedures for Dissolution

The prime minister traditionally visits the governor general at Rideau Hall and submits an instrument of advice to the governor general recommending dissolution. An instrument of advice is a written document from the prime minister requesting that the governor general authorize a constitutional or legislative action of government. The signing of the documents normally takes place in the governor general’s study. When a dissolution is agreed to, the documents are signed in the following order:

1. The prime minister submits an instrument of advice to the governor general recommending the dissolution of Parliament by instrument under the Great Seal of Canada. The governor general signs the instrument indicating his or her approval.
2. The governor general signs a proclamation in the name of Her Majesty the Queen dissolving Parliament. (The deputy registrar general of Canada and the deputy attorney general of Canada sign the proclamation prior to its submission to the governor general.)
3. The governor general signs the minutes of a meeting of the Privy Council authorizing the issue of election writs fixing the polling day and the date of return of writs. Election writs authorize the conduct of elections in electoral districts.
4. The governor general signs a proclamation in the name of Her Majesty the Queen declaring that election writs are to be issued. (The deputy registrar general of Canada and the deputy attorney general of Canada sign the proclamation prior to its submission to the governor general.)
5. The prime minister submits an instrument of advice to the governor general for the issue of a proclamation for the pro forma summoning of a new Parliament. (Pro forma refers to the date that is set for the summoning of Parliament by the prime minister when dissolution is granted by the governor general. The date can be delayed further but it must always be at least a day after the date for the return of election writs.)
6. The governor general signs a proclamation in the name of Her Majesty the Queen for the pro forma summoning of a new Parliament. (The deputy registrar general of Canada and the deputy attorney general of Canada sign the proclamation prior to its submission to the governor general.)

Procedures after Dissolution

Immediately following the granting of dissolution of Parliament, the governor general informs Her Majesty the Queen of the dissolution and of the date set for the general election.

Election writs for each of the 308 constituencies are then signed on behalf of the governor general by the Secretary to the Governor General who is the deputy to the governor general and by the chief electoral officer.

A minimum of 36 days is required by statute between the date of issuance of election writs and the polling day. The date for the return of writs should be at least 21 days after polling day.

Polling day cannot be earlier than the nearest Monday (or Tuesday, if Monday is a holiday) after the 36th day following dissolution and the proclamation of the writs.

I grudgingly agree.


Hope you're right. I suspect he will lose the next election after this mess, but who knows. People have short attention spans. The CBC seems to be totally in bed with the guy.

onwebcam, you left out the best part:

"The governing party remains in office as long as it retains majority support in the House of Commons on major issues. "

Not any more!

Thank you. Just like I said, she's a formal figurehead. "in the name of" does not mean she's making command decisions and calling the shots. It means her formal representative the governor general is. He's saying Canada is still controlled by the UK. The 1982 act would indicate otherwise, which is all I'm really trying to get through to the guy.

No mention of speed dial in all that. I wonder if db will read it all though, it's a lot of words.

One other point, then I'm out for the night here...

Nothing that has happened lately is out of bounds or beyond the scope of the Canadian constitution. The move for a non-conficence vote, the move to form a coalition government, and Harper's move for a prorogue of parlaiment, ALL are legal according to the democratic process.

I'm less interested in crying fowl than I am just watching how all this plays out. Watching a usual parlaimentary debate is about as fun as watching paint dry with no alcohol in the house. Lately all things government have been *shock* INTERESTING.

In Poker terms, Harper pulled a 1 outer on the river. Unbelievable.

I'm up for a road trip.

And you guys were all proud that your money was a little higher than the American dollar eh.

That was terrible for Canadian webmasters. Around 2000 I would cash a USD check from a sponsor for $10,000 and get about $15,000! It was fun. :pimp

I've read this whole thread, and I can't believe no one else has made the connection yet, so I'm gonna do it:

Wanna know what happens? Watch the Star Wars saga. Palpatine took control of the Senate based on a vote of No Confidence in the previous Chancellor, Vellorum.

Not long after, Palpatine took TOTAL control of the Senate due to the increasing separatist threat...unleashed the newly created Grand Army of the Republic. This is your clue to watch out for a massive surge in Mounty activity in the near future, folks.

Then, in an unprecedented move, Palpatine not only failed to relinquish Supreme Command of said Army, but disbanded the Senate, becoming the Emperor, and unleashing all hell. He was eventually murdered by his second in command, whose son then killed him, sold the story to George Lucas, who then turned it into a movie franchise based on true events...

The only reason you don't see this in our own history books it because it happened...

LONG AGO...
...IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY.

I just couldn't help myself.xxx

I've never seen you mad - I like it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada


The Constitution Act of 1982 severed ties with the UK, NOT the Queen...

save your lifes!

in a multi party system like canada it is possible to be the leading party and not hold a majority of the seats. When that happens a situation could happen where you could propose a law so bad that all of the opposition parties (every one else) says we will actually work together to defeat that bill.

When such a vote occurs it is deemed that leading party is going against the mandate of the majority of the population. Violating the trust of the people and therefore not considered valid any more.

As a result one of three things happen the opposition parties form a coalition (formalized agreement), the third party agrees to support the official opposition (like liberal /ndp alliance in ontario) or a new election is called.

The first two usually end up being painted as the end of the world in the begining, but usually end up being the best thing because the politicalized point of view gets tempered by the alternative views of the secondary party. Resulting in policy which is best for everyone.

I never said it did.

so you think harper should have the right to blindly force legislation down our throats when a majority of people voted against him.

the $1.95/vote party funding was designed to prevent big business from buying up the government like it does in the states. It guarrentees that other opinions (like the green party) get heard instead of washed away in the lunitic fringe (ralph nader) like it is in other countries.

The conservatives were trying to censor their opponents in the next election by turning our countries political system into a copy of the american.

If i wanted to live in america i would move to america, if that is the kind of shit harper is pulling then he deserves to kicked out on his ass.

Just to clarify my post since I didn't say anything in it. This is a move of the Queen the way I see it. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to Canada's politics but I do know enough about the objective. This is a NAU move. They want a NAU to dissolve both the US and Canadian constitutions. If they can get NAU approval then they can disarm the US, squash free speech and dissent of al countries involved.. There are too many signs pointing towards a huge change in our world the first part of next year. This has nothing to do with the people of Canada. Harper is on board for whatever it is the plans are.

I blame the faggot fucking French losers across this country that tear this nation apart.

just look at the piece of shit frenchmen on this board.

french people are whiners, lazy and want everything for free.

we should vote to KICK THEM OUT of the country.


could you imagine how amazing canada would be if these losers left?

i'm still blown away when i found out old dutch chips was an american company. i thought they were canucks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dutch_Foods

http://syndy.jp/blog/wp-content/uplo...1/img_1425.jpg