Wait a minute CAMOKAT, is redsquarecash yours? Those are some nice sites. You have my respect. Matter of fact I'm gonna sign up and promote you. Sorry for the mistake. :)

I guess the only thing this thread is missing is a pic of Empfanger Emil:

http://www.chosplaylist.de/blog/emil.jpg

Don't forget to sign the petition.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/873053-petition-unban-empanger-emil.html

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wtf?!?!?! lol

While im here.. does anybody know how to stop balls from bleeding, I was shaving and nicked my left ball sack with the razor it now looks like I have a big pimple on my left ball anybody have any ideas please..

stiches!!!!!!!!!!!!

its to small for stiches it just looks really ugly sitting there on my ball sack I suspect that when it stops bleeding it will look even uglier when the blood dries. I dont think my misses will suck my balls if she sees this

This thread was supposed to be about programs and credit card fraud. That it's being covered up on this forum.

How the fuck did Robbie turn it into a shit fest about surfers and affiliates?

sleight of hand :2 cents:

It wasn't fucking easy...but apparently if you disagree with pure conjecture and made up bullshit and actually state some facts, that's all it takes :)

And a definitive evidence that the bro club is doing well:

http://aka.zero.jibjab.com/assets/pr.../38/36lqxz.png

Robbie, I am not a fan of prechecked cross sales. I think they are shady and unnecessary. But by themselves if they are above the join they aren't the worst thing in the world. But this isn't really about cross sales it's about charging credit cards without authorization. There is a small group of programs out there that are banging cards and it's going to hurt us all in the long run. You're a successful webmaster and you would be foolish not to be concerned about this. Visa is already keeping an eye on the cross sale bullshit. You think they are going to be happy with the fraud going on? There is a very good chance that Visa pulls the plug on adult in the next few years if this continues. We're going to be a bigger headache than we're worth. All because a few programs can't provide a good enough service to survive on legitimately.

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I agree and have said so a thousand times. If a surfer hits a x-sell and doesn't notice it...then they have the option to cancel and even get their money credited back. Hit and miss for the site owner. BUT, if there are x-sells on the cancel and terms of service, I don't agree with that one bit. But you know that a lot of the people on here who are posting shit have NO idea how any of that works and they just post crazy shit like they could actually DO something about it. My point is that people should take a note of it. And if you do not want to promote some site that is pulling that shit...then don't. That's easy. Other than that, it's simply none of my business how another man chooses to run his business. If he gets 1000 chargebacks...it's his ass. He's losing money.

These guys on here that are barely even a part of the business act like they can dictate terms to a program owner. I just don't see how or why they would try that. Just move on and promote someone else. As I said over and over...my goal is, and always has been to promote what SELLS for me. Period.

I like Robbie alot and I can say from meeting him he is a good guy and straight forward. The time I have spent with him, I got a vibe if I made a deal with him his word would be his bond without question. I also think Robbie is in awe of money and doesnt think of the long term effects of fucking a surfer in the ass with a shitload of cross sales.Lets not even talk about how unbelievably stupid from a business stand point or any stand point for that matter it is to bang a surfer up the ass when few willing to pull a credit card in these hard times Hitting some credit card ten times isnt business its fraud. The everyone mind your own business crowd really live in a illusion that visa will just let this go the way its going and be fine with it or don't take the time to think maybe the government decides to crack down on this that pornographers are also thieves. Industries that last long think about the long term effects. As we can see toyota doesnt have to beg for dollars.
Robbie, Visa says fuck you to us im fucked and I dont think you can make that kind of money playing guitar.

I agree on the Robbie being a man of his word, but disagree....











That you can't make that kind of money playing guitar. hehe

unless you are Steve Vai lol

Tony, I've seen shit come and seen shit go. Again...if what those guys are doing lead to them getting massive chargebacks, then they will go out of business all on their own.

What can you do to make them change their eeevvvviiiillll ways? Nothing.

Obviously it does make a lot of money for them.

So a bunch of guys posting on an internet message board is going to make the programs making millions and millions of dollars stop because we're worried that Visa is gonna shut us down?

I don't see that happening.

I've done this a long time. So you know that I'm one of the people in it for the long haul.

But newsflash...a lot of the guys doing what you are objecting to, are the same companies that were doing stuff 5 years ago that everybody screamed about. And 10 years ago that everybody screamed about.

Yet, they are still in business and making majoy bank. How long do they have to do that before it's no longer "short term"?

If Visa decides to do something about it, then fine. Until then there are literally tens of millions of dollars being made and nobody in their right mind is going to walk away from that kind of revenue.

If Visa makes it against their rules then so be it. No skin off my back. But the constant attacking against the very people who pay the bills to 99% of the clowns posting is just ridiculous. It doesn't get anything done.

What's the end game supposed to be?

Are the sites that you and the others dissaprove of supposed to say: "Well, you guys have shamed us into changing. Therefore we will now say goodbye to more money than any of you have ever seen in your lives"

Or is someone from GFY going to go to VISA and complain and get it done?
Oh, wait a minute....that's already been done. And what the hell was the thinking of that?

There were and are only TWO outcomes of that.
1) Visa says "So what" Which is what they have done so far. So you accomplish nothing.

or

2) Visa says "HOLY SHIT!" and decides that if our own people are complaining then it IS time to pull out of adult.

Do you see any other options? Or any other reasoning for the constant barrage of this shit?

Hell, the surfers know about x-sells. If there is any webmaster left on the face of the earth that doesn't know about them now...well, they don't deserve to be a webmaster. So there is NO point in these threads anymore...

EXCEPT for the guys who love to start shit and fight all the time. It's a sport to them. They sit in their house in front of a keyboard, totally powerless in this world....BUT they can go head to head with major players in this business and cause them trouble. Now that's something for a lonely guy to be able to be proud of!

"I made ~insert multi-million dollar company name~ bow down to me on GFY by constantly harrassing them and making threads that damage their business!"

That's the mentality that I despise.

you got a fucking point. I hate that lol

Or if you use those skills to pursue your chosen profession which I am finally making some nice headway in lol. :winkwink:

You know me. I'm a hard working guy. And my love of making money is rooted in the fact that I'm trying to make things good for my family and kids. I take care of my mom, grandfather, etc. It's a lot. And I don't want the business to die anymore than the next guy.

Matter of fact, I plan on doing this 10 years from now also.

I'd also like to come to GFY and be able to read posts made by the major players. In case nobody noticed...they are rarely here anymore. What's the point of having a forum where "The Industry Meets" if the most important players are absent because of constant trolling.

I would say that some of the recent actions by GFY concerning that are directly related to Battus and his fake nicks and the people who followed him and didn't realize what HIS game is on GFY.

GFY can't survive without the people who move this industry. I'd like to see them back and posting here as a means of promoting their business. No, I don't want people to get scammed. And if you don't like what someone is doing then the simplest solution is to NOT promote them. That's all. It's Friday night. Let's all go out and have fun.

Except for pocketkangaroo (guy who bullies women) and retoxjosh (pissant)

I agree. I've never had a problem with Robbie and think he comes across like an honest businessman. He has a nice site that looks to really cater toward its members and probably retains real well. I think he takes things too personally though. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trolling. It doesn't mean they are broke.

I also don't like the belief that if someone isn't going to shows, posting details of their life, and becoming a public figure that they don't work in the industry. The unfortunate truth is that this industry doesn't go over well with the public. There are many people who make a distinct line between personal and business in this world for good reasons. It would break our hearts to have our kid not able to play with others because "Daddy works in porn", or a wife who gets dirty looks at the supermarket because someone found pictures of her husband partying with pornstars. I personally don't care what someone says about me, but it would be devastating if my actions caused others pain.

But back on topic. I think the word cross-sales shouldn't even appear in these threads. We aren't talking about cross sales. This was a customer signing up at a site and having the credit card passed around from one person to another without anyone knowing. It is no different than those carders who pass around cards in underground forums. This is credit card fraud. This isn't "business". This isn't even really about porn either, porn is just the method being used to obtain the credit card.

So I look at it as a crime. I see it as no different than someone snagging a purse from someone. If I saw that happen, I would speak up. I wouldn't sit back and say "well that's just his business". If people disagree, fine, but I don't see why these discussions have to head into a downward cycle of name calling and displays of loyalty.

I never bullied anyone. I never made a rude comment to her either (I even said the derogatory names were wrong). I asked her to clarify some of her statements that seemed to be lies.

Perhaps if others weren't so enamored by a girl online posting pictures of herself in a tight shirt, and actually saw bullshit for what it was, she wouldn't be the defendant in multiple lawsuits.

You also have a good points also and I agree about the shows. I know a guy makes high 6 figures doesnt go to the shows, doesnt post on boards all he does is work 18 hours a day.

There you go... cliffnotes to the whole adult industry.

Anymore I bet there are more money makers that don't go to shows than I do.

Can't we all just get along?

I think people would be surprised at how many people are out there quietly making a lot of money. SEO has lowered the level of entry for many webmasters. You hit page 1 for a few popular adult terms and you're pulling 6 figures easily. All it takes is a few Google searches to see there are a lot of small guys making a lot of money.

I think it would also surprise people how many people are making good money in this industry and don't even consider themselves in it. They just see adult terms as keywords, nothing more. They treat selling creampie porn the same as selling Christian rock music.

And Robbie, pig fucker who thinks $560k a year is baller status and warrants being in the bro club, even though no bros claim him or back him up, lolol.

Is there an official list of who is a bro and who is not? I'd like to know my bro status, I'm 100% against fraud and scamming so does that make it impossible for me to ever become a bro???

you qualify on many levels but in the end you're too honest and your existense in this industry doesn't depend on others - sorry man you don't make the cut :(

Well if we go with Robbies definition no, you're not a bro, you're not worthless, you're not shady, and you don't fuck a fat pig and think you're baller making $560k a year.

What's the Bro Club? Is this a secret society of rogue adult webmasters?

Josh & Mutt, thanks guys :) btw, I'd rather not be a bro, I dont need fake bro's to be successful in this biz

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There's no sex in the Champagne room

Never said any of those things Pussyboy. And that was NET 560k which I also stated makes me a small fry financially. For a pussy that doesn't do anything but run his dickskinners you sure are a badass behind the keyboard. :1orglaugh I would motherfuck you, but nobody does any business with you anyway, so I can't. So instead I'll just laugh at you because you have proven over and over on GFY that you don't have a clue. Carry on big shot. One day your nutsack will drop and you'll man up.

No, you won't. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Oh by the way dumbass...net means "profit"