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I don't care if it's at least 2 meals. It should be at least 6. That's what that should say if you're planning on getting your body out of starvation mode. If you want to continue to be in denial about your diet being horrible, that's fine. It doesn't matter to me if you continue eating 2 meals per day. I'm just stating simple facts. You obviously know nothing about nutrition at this point or you wouldn't even try to argue with points like "I eat AT LEAST 2 meals per day" like it's even comparable to eating 6-8 small meals to keep your metabolism going. You're serious enough about wanting to look/feel better to post a thread, take progress pictures, etc. So why not take the advice and eat more food? It's not very hard and will go a long way, especially now that you're trying to gain weight. If you somehow managed to eat enough calories in 2 meals per day to support growth, it would be mainly fat no matter what you eat. Your metabolism is basically dead at this point and you will continue to slow it down with what you're doing. |
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Just did an online one using a tape measure. No calipers to check Home Body Fat Test Learn your body fat percentage with this quick and easy tool. Your Results You have 11.5% body fat. |
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http://www.getdunked.com/home/default.asp so far ive schooled you in everything and know more than you yet you still have that know it all attitude regarding this. you dont knwo what your talking about online tests are junk, IDC about your PINCH test. wtf is this BROscience? everything you and that other guy just posted is BS |
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brb eatting a rice cake, while sipping on some canned air...hoping to get jacked and tan
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Im ffin skinny and its skin muscle and bones. Where do you think I have fat at exactly? lol All the skin on me is tight to my muscles. You must be too young to remember the "can't pinch and inch" kellogs commercials I guess so you missed the reference. lol |
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Anyway, I use different muscle fibers than you. I burn more fat than sugars, thus allowing me to out perform you, by at least double. And I have proof.. People in this business have met me and pictures have been posted, I'm skinny without question.. I'm 6'1" at 170lbs with an 8pack.. I'm not a big boy at all, 29" waist. But I am, greatly in shape.. and your 6 meals a day, is unhealthy. Go talk to your Doctor a real Doctor, about eating 6 times a day too. Stop reading workout books written buy guys that big bumps all over them. Oh yeah... not everyone wants to BUFF up and get big.. some of us, like to be skinny and 6 meals a day and fully working out, I'm not going to stay in shape like I am now eating 6 times a day. |
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You can't transform a fat cell into muscle either. You excercise away the fat and develop the muscle. That's how it works. |
its obvious that you just need to do some more fucking... plain and simple
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lol im not talking about bbing at all, im not a bber and never will they lift for show, i lift for functionality. my dr. is a sports medicine dr. i actually have blood work taken every 6 months due to the amount of lean meats im intaking thank you very much. i have a full panel of cholesterol and liver enzymes. you say your skin muscle and bones, show me a muscle man i dont see one...i dont see a striation, nothing. LOW BF = YOU CAN SEE VASCULARITY. eating 6 smaller meals a day isnt bad for your health, eating 3 bigger meals a day is. i dont need a dr to tell me what im doing isnt healthy, even tho i do. you dont use different muscle fibers either, there are fast twitch, medium, and slow twitch, we each use all 3. you know so much yet you think muscle just turns into fat right. and fat doesnt settle between muscle fibers...what...jesus im done with this one lol, maybe someone else can have a stab at this one. That statement within itself just shows how ignorant you are on the subject. your better at sitting behind your comp than giving nutrition advice, no offense
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But I would still advise you finish off with a few good sets of targetted crunches. And put a twist into some of them to hit your obliques and intercostals. |
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Phil how old are you? Im guessing early 20's maybe 23 or 24. We'll compare your pics in 12 years or so to mine. Its funny all the muscle bound jocks I know (and yes they worked out hard and followed exact nutrition guidelines as well back then) that are my age now wear tshirts at the beach lol |
i was skinnier than you are now, sitting at 125 5'7, im 24 so u hit the nail on the head pretty good, but not for nothing my dad is in his mid forties and looks just as good as i do. saying its your age is only an excuse, and excuses are those of the uncommited...im done posting in a thread with ignorant statements with no one having an open mind to learn. im willing to teach u how to get ur body on track, yet you contradict statements coming from someone clearly more educated than yourself on the subject.
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fact is that there's tons and tons of research that concludes several (4-6) meals a day is much much healthier than a diet of 3 meals a day, not to mention 2 a day. |
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Also, it's not harder to take that fat off later. Fact is once you've had muscle tone and lost it most people find that it comes back faster once they start exercising again. If it took you two years to get fit in the first place, then quit exercising for a year it won't take you another two years to get fit again, for example. One point that I think you're trying to make in this thread that I agree with is that one shouldn't just do resistance weight training (ie: bodybuilding) and nothing more. I agree with that, one does need to also do some aerobic activity. Cardio-vascular fitness is important too, and just straight bodybuilding doesn't give you enough of the lung capacitgy or type of CV stamina that distance runners or cyclists have. |
IM AT WORK! u can see how big my chest is and that i dont have a gut, not to mention my back has cuts in it, like what are you trying to prove by seeing my abs? id strip in my office and ask my buddy to take a pic of me but that might be a little awkward. your bone frame is smaller than that of a person who was 125? my arms were almost 16 inches in those pictures, thats pretty big on a guy my size..
CDS can you please explain to him that his BF is not 11.5% lol I really want to sit and try to explain this better but im leaving the office now, want a picture of my abs when i get home lol? ill give u my phone number too so u can put it on that craigslist ad |
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Nothing hangs over my belt, my body is tight no fat hanging, exercising everyday. Etc etc. Honestly if anyone thinks these are bad things they are flat out silly. lol Im probably in better shape than 80% of the population of the U.S. of most people in their 30's. But if eating like a squirrel and having 6 to 8 small meals a day will somehow improve that Ill try it. lol Im a webmaster not a tri athlete. Check back in a year and we'll see how my abs and other muscles are then. :winkwink: |
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Having three balanced meals a day and 2-3 (healthy!) snacks a day is perfect for most people. Having fewer, larger meals isn't necessarily unhealthy, but it does have a bunch of downsides. It's likely to create cravings (which tend to lead to unhealthy snacks), it increases chances of indigestion, and it may mess up blood sugar levels in some people. Plus, if you do heavy workouts, not timing your protein and carb intake around them will decrease the benefits. However, someone who is healthy and doesn't engage in strenuous exercise can get by perfectly well on just 2-3 (healthy!) meals a day without any significant adverse effects. But really, for most people, the 3 meals/2-3 snacks schedule works best - if only because it's so easy to follow. |
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And judging by the last pic you posted I'd guestimate your % bodyfat at more like 15-18%. Still very good, the national average in the US is somewhere around 30% so you're correct in assuming you're ahead of the curve. I would put DlXPhil at around the 10% mark, but he could even be slightly below that, hard to say with any certainty from his pic. Dude is definitely fit though, muscle-wise. |
snack = meal
my meals are 300 calories, snacks are 200-300, all designed by a nutritionist (i am diabetic) snack is just nomenclature to help your mind with the whole concept, i.e. sneaking in a meal by calling it a snack. |
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I think where the 4-6 smaller meals rule comes into it is when someone is overweight and they need to train their body out of starvation mode and into "feast" mode... thus forcing it to burn existing fat rather than continue to store it and take energy away from the muscles. But absolutely, for most average people who aren't obese and just want to get a little fitter (like Sticky) eating a good breakfast, a spread-out lunch including a few healthy snacks, a sensible dinner and water throughout the day is perfect, and as you said it's easy to do. |
u can do it
He's living his dream. Playing in a rock band ... at 50 ! :thumbsup
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And I'm 46. I hear what you're saying about the way you are and that you've never been into breakfast. My advice on that is about making a change in your life, because by continuing to not eat a healthy breakfast you WILL suffer negative effects from it at some point in your future. I guarantee it. I get that that's the way you are, the question is do you get that you can change? Taking 10 minutes to eat a bowl of some type of whole grain cereal in the morning isn't going to put a crimp in your time. |
Ok this was from like Feb March 2008. Ill give a link to www.FubarWebmasters.com hehe Cut so you can see my double chin and gut there. Thats a bit over stated since I was leaning back and my gut was going out due to holding the camera, but you can see how far in just over a year I have come.
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For most people (ie, those whose bodies can keep their blood sugar levels fairly constant) a snack will typically consist of a single piece of fruit, or a small handful of nuts, etc. Basically, 100-150 calories. Meals, on the other hand, will usually be a bit bigger than yours - 400-500 calories. The term "snack" is useful in pointing out that you won't actually need to prepare anything elaborate. You just take a banana along to work to eat in between breakfast and lunch, and maybe an apple, orange or small bag of carrots to eat at 4 pm. Which is quite a bit different from the 5-6 actual meals a day that bodybuilders and such tend to eat. |
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I used to dislike it as well, but some wholewheat toast or crispbread with cottage cheese and tomato is easy to make, and fairly tasty. I guarantee that after 30 days of having breakfast daily, you'll wonder why you didn't do it before. |
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you didn't specify bb in your comment i quoted, but since you are now commenting on that i think you will find with a bit of digging that the current mentality of gaining muscle has moved away from "calorie rich snacks and more calories than a normal person needs in one single meal" to a diet rich in nutrients and such but with a strict control of calories. The smart trainers do the math, knowing how much muscle they can put on over a period of time and create a menu of food and supplements accordingly. for instance, it is no longer popular to overload your system with protein, that's a myth protein manufacturers want you to believe so they can sell you more. fact is, a normal person (as you state) probably eats way more calories and a less nutrient dense meal than a bb who is responsibly working out and strictly watching hi sdiet, caloric intake, and activity level not talking about the over the edge bb on steroids and such. or the phelps of the world who comsume 12000 cals daily just to keep up the energy for swimming. |
just got done washing and waxing my car, excuse my appearance, and this mind you is at 10-12% bf, definitely not the best shape ive been in
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1- breakfast - protein shake/meal 2- snack - oatmeal/granola/almonds 3. lunch - full meal 4. protein shake/almonds/other protein source 5. post workout shake 6 post workout meal/dinner 7. before bed shake edit : i know i will get ragged on for this but i dont work abs, my core is extremely strong from doing deadlifts, squats, and other full body/compound movements. |
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im actually not doing heavy workouts at all, ive actually taken over a month off from the gym and this is how i look, thats why i said its not the best shape ive been in. and if you have trouble eating, shakes are your friend. you can seriously put a meals worth of calories in one drink it and be hungry an hour later. you will gain weight and muscle, you really just need to be dedicated to it. change your diet and you will IMMEDIATELY see a change in your physique, add a protein shake, some creatine and a multivitamin to start. add 200 calories a week to your diet until you start to gain weight. track everything carefully and ull see how easy it really is. once you get in the routine, your going to WANT to eat all the time as your metabolic rate will increase due to the smaller meals
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You lift daily it sounds like, and at your that size you only consume roughly 800 calories more in food? That's pretty remarkable.. I have to eat more calories than that to stay above 160lbs or have enough energy to keep going. Based on your breakdown, if a shake is a snack.. I eat prob 6 times a day. Sometimes more, but always at least 4 times. I wish I could do shakes.. I starve on them. I always need something solid, at least an apple. Not that Apples last long either. But if I much more than that.. I will shat all over the place... :warning |
^ i lift 3-4 times a week. Like i said in the begining of the thread, you guys think that im a bb'er doing all this weight, eating alll this extremely large amount of food and killing myself. I mean yea its alot of hard work but in actuality its merely part of my routine. i spend maybe 60 minute TOPS in the gym. my training is all HIIT, high intensity interval training and a workout over 60 minutes will actually hurt performance rather than help it. everything in moderation, and alot of you guys need to change your views on lifters, not all of us are the same. im the only one in the thread pretty much giving u full body pics trying to show u guys whats up. i wouldnt keep coming back to the thread to give you guys BS info...im almost at the point of getting my personal training certification
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Just got back from a solid 4 mile run. Was only planning on a 3 mile run but went exploring and the road I was on didn't merge back into our subdivision for way longer than expected. lol And looks like today is a 3 mealer and maybe a snack of some sort before bed. lol |
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This is speaking as a chick who is undergoing some intense body changes and mods right now.. and have been with world class Baylor trained nutritionists in the last few months.. The 3 meals, 2 snacks... or every 3 hours eating something.... is the smartest... But the shake of 30g of protein or so.. every morning.. is the BEST weightloss, muscle building advice anyone can give you... |
Just to clarify I don't need to lose any weight at all. I am too skinny right now and putting weight back on with muscle rather than fat.
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Thank you everyone for the kind words its much appreciated! anyways man, STOP RUNNING. your taking 2 steps forward and one step back with all this stuff you are doing. READ, RESEARCH, and then come back to this thread, at this point stupid questions are going to receive even dumber answers. Ive been in this game since i started college and i will never pass something onto someone to hurt or harm them in anyway. I dont go off of bro-science. i go off whats tried and true for myself and others. I personal train on the side when i have time and like to get my friends and family into shape. Clearly people have acknowledged my expertise on this subject, its a shame you arent comprehending basic concepts of calories in calories out.
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if you want to get some more muscle mass without adding fat, try to get at least 1g to 1.5g of protein per lb of your current weight. :2 cents: what is your current weight? |
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From someone has had ripped abs in the past....
Abs are made in the kitchen, not in the gym. Eat small meals, more frequently, with lots of fruit and water. Cardio in the morning and evening, sprinkled with some jump rope and heavy bag work will get you there. Don't listen to any bullshit telling you to do x amount of crunches, or y amount of leg lifts. That's all fucking bullshit. |
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the other challenge is that the body has an amazing ability to adapt. i am a strong believer that you need to keep the body confused when it comes to diet and exercise. you dont need to go yo-yo, but subtle changes will keep the body confused and help give you consistent progress.. :2 cents: |
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