I actually used to buy Equal which is an artificial sweetener containing aspartame for my coffee because I thought it was healthier...

On their site it says

Are Equal® and aspartame (the sweetening ingredient in Equal) safe?
Yes, Equal is safe.

Aspartame, the sweetening ingredient in Equal has been documented in more than 200 objective scientific studies. The safety of aspartame has been confirmed by regulatory authorities in more than 100 countries, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Health Canada, and the European Commission's Scientific Committee on Food, as well as by experts with the United Nations' Food and Agricultural Organization and World Health Organization.

http://www.equal.com/faq/faq.html#1

Aspartame is just one of the neurotoxins that are allowed into the food of the world.

I never used to consume Aspartame, I always drank regular soda. I pretty much cut all sugars out of my diet though, so I have a package of Splenda with my morning cup of coffee and I'll sometimes have a diet Soda or ice tea.

Frankly, I slam a massive amount of chemicals in to my body. If I didn't take so much Ibuprofren, for instance, I probably couldn't walk most of the time. I'm a big believer in a better life through science. You'd better believe I'm considering theurpeutic HGH therapy, for instance. :)


I mean, if you got Pneumonia (a naturally occuring disease) I bet you'd happily take antibiotics to fix that. You probably wouldn't even think twice about it.

You have to understand, that the over whelming amount of data actually points to artificial sweetners, in small doses, being completely safe for you. You're right that some professionals, and I'll admit more and more, seem to disagree. The situation is simply not as clear cut as you'd have us believe. There's no clear evidence tha Aspartame is as you say a poison.

I am sort of busting your balls in this thread though, because of course like anything else, moderation is key. Even water can be toxic to your system if you have too much. I certainly don't advocate drinking 2L of diet coke a day. Although, if you absolutely _HAVE_ to drink 2L of soda, and you can't make yourself stop, I'd still argue better the Aspartame than the sugar. The complications of obescity _ARE_ well documented and very real.

Anyway, really to each their own. I personally consume up to about 5000 calories a day with the majority of that being chicken, fish, sweet potato, brown rice, low sugar whole wheat breads and vegetables. I consider a diet soda an indulgence. Sometimes you have to reward yourself.

I never drink the diet shit...
I drink regular coke from time to time, and once a week I drink Jack&Coke...

While I agree with a lot of what you've said on cleaning up what we put in our body, the vaccine thing is ridiculous. The number of deaths we prevent from vaccination far outweighs any adverse side effects. Would you rather us go back to a time where polio was common in children and we all had to hide from wherever the latest smallpox outbreak took place?

So let's just put a bullet in the brain and give up. You are are a retard :thumbsup Great Avatar though :thumbsup

Nah, I do believe there are some valid vaccines out there, and some that are needed..
But I'm not about to line my kids up for every single one of them.. the HPV vaccine for instance has been making sick and killing people at an alarming rate.

The instances of autism has increased 1500% since the government started giving away the flu shot for free ( no joke ) and while it hasn't been linked to it by any study that didn't involve their medical funding being cut right after.. there are studies that show the connections..

and there's no a vaccine for chicken pox, and all sorts of "diseases" that are a minor inconvenience at most.. By the time your kids 18 he/she's been injected with massive amounts of toxic chemicals, most of which are not broken down by the body..

I met a nice young girl this summer that got a vaccine and went into shock and is now pretty much retarded, that got me pokin around.... All it takes is 1mg of mercury past the threshold you body can take to have sever consequences..

Once again, I'm not here to convince you of anything, the facts are out there.. go find them.:2 cents:

Well, actually you're wrong there, the last few times i've been sick, i tough it out.. and tend to recover just as fast as when I did take antibiotics..

and I do appreciate your long reply, but you ignored every question I asked :1orglaugh

I spoke with a doctor the other day and was surprised to learn that the vaccination set for Australian kids (including my own) now includes chicken pox. Where do we stop?

No Kidding ... with my kids we had neighborhood chicken pox parties :)

as soon as one kids infected, we have a big ass play group and get all the kids infected.. that's natures vaccine, a natural immune system.:thumbsup:thumbsup

You can get your kids exempt, you must go through the gov to get them exempt.. don't just avoid the shot or they'll kick them out of school ( all while never mentioning you can simply sign a piece of paper that says you have a conscience belief to avoid the shot )

I pretty much cut out all commercial pops/sodas completely, except for the odd 2L coke or pepsi that comes free with certain pizza or chicken delivery orders. Other than that I now always make my own bubbly drinks using sparkling spring water (or low sodium soda water) bought in 2L bottles, and mix it with juice from frozen concentrate. I thaw out the juice and instead of using regular water I mix it with the soda water.

Makes a hell of a nice vodka or rum drink too.

Diet, well that's easy.... a nice combo of whole grain cereals in the morning, 1% milk, coffee (sometimes, sometimes not), and during the day I eat some fruit, often some raw veggies or a lean meat sandwich with lettuce on whole grain bread, and a sensible dinner with lots of steamed veggies and not a lot of oils or added fat of any kind.

Keeps me pooping like a trooper.

I also find it odd that any vaccine that is invented automatically gets added to the mandatory list, instantly.

The facts are that 16 million people have been vaccinated by the HPV vaccine. Under 10,000 reported adverse side effects (.0006%). 20 women have reported deaths (.00001%), although most have been attributed to other factors. Nonetheless, those are extremely small numbers compared to how many bouts of cancer this vaccine prevents. Statistically, you'd be crazy not to get vaccinated.

I don't know much about the link between autism and the flu shot. I've never been a fan of flu shots for those who weren't old. I still don't think they know what is causing the autism rise. Some have argued it's simply our medical knowledge expanding and diagnosing it more readily. But I think research should be done into it.

The point I'm making though is that vaccines are extremely important to our society. They have helped eradicate serious and deadly diseases from running rampant in our population. If everyone decided to pass up on these, our life expectancies would dramatically dip. The health benefits of most vaccines far outweigh the side effects. While your kid may not be vaccinated for various illnesses, the reason he won't get it now is because everyone else is vaccinated.

More stable blood sugar levals and placebo ^^

so you dont use toothpaste? that contains fluoride as well

http://www.douglassreport.com/report...FQKHxwod1zHMcw

http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html

I eat whatever I want, drink coke as my main source of liquids (no diet sodas ever. They taste like dog shit), I smoke heavily and the list goes on. The only thing wrong with me is a genetic/hereditary disability (spastic paraplegia - basically paralysis of the spine which affects my legs). My blood pressure is perfect, my sugar levels are normal, I barely ever get sick etc.. etc..

Sure, if I lived a little healthier I'd have much more energy, but I'm enjoying my life the way it is so why change? I'm not going to live my life a certain way just because a magazine or a tv show tells me that this and that is bad for me. If I would feel that something is wrong with me I would change things in my life, but things are ok so I'm not changing anything. :)

Do you swallow your toothpaste or spit it out?

Doesn't it still penetrate your system through brushing your teeth and also coating your teeth? I can't imagine they would add it if they didn't think it had some value in some way or another.

You don't have to actually consume something in order to receive the benefits.

What do you guys think of drinking rain water?

Some scientists talk about it here: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...0/wea00044.htm

One says...

"If you live in a really polluted city, it might be a good idea not to drink
rain when it just starts, as it's washing out all the particulate material
in the air (car exhaust, diesel fumes, dust, etc). Other than that, I
can't think of why you shouldn't be drinking it."

Interesting.

Last winter I collected fresh snow in a pail, but when it melted there was black spects from tree material and whatnot. I might try it again, running it through a simple filter this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride#Cavity-prevention

When you go to the dentist they typically give you a fluoride treatment as well, topical.

I'm not sold on the dangers of flouride in tap water, but if you get enough of it from toothpaste (and I assume you do) then I would rather it not be in the water supply.

IMO it's in the water supply only because a lot of people don't brush their teeth enough. It's like the government injecting vitamins into the water supply because the average American doesn't eat right.

I use fluoride free toothpaste ..
http://www.greenbeaver.com/oral_care

That works for me ;)

Fluoride does NOTHING for your teeth.. sorry.
well maybe rots them out.. like it did mine...
Fluorosis is easy to spot out in the wild .. white blotchy teeth with brown pitting...
I was told by a DENTIST that this was the cause of my decay.

Fluoride was added to amercian water just as the great depression was ending, it's pretty much been proven that the decrease in dental decay was due to better living standards country wide..

Do the research for yourself you'll find the same.

Why does everyone else say differently? Including the CDC.

And how has it been pretty much proven?

GOOGLE.

Look past the CDC etc, they've been using it for years, do you think they'd admit liability?
Perhaps at first their studies showed it was good for dental health ( books I've read on the subject show different ), but either way,they can't go back now and say " sorry dudes, we've been poisoning you, and creating bone problems, DNA degeneration and sterility in men for decades "

do you realize the scope of the lawsuits they'd be up against?
So it's swept under the rug ..

Europe mostly doesn't fluoridate water, yet their teeth aren't decaying any faster than Americans and Canadians, why is that?

There's been hundreds of studies that prove that it's totally ineffective, and outright poison.. however those doctors and scientists usually lose all their grants after trying to say something about it.

Hell even the CDC says 1 in 3 are suffering!
I never caught that till now

He repeatedly mentions that the problems start with too much fluoride intake... however much that is.

I'm not saying you or he are wrong, but that video really did not give much solid information.

http://fluoridealert.org/iq.studies.html

Here's a bunch of studies showing REDUCED IQ in areas where fluoridation is in use.

Maybe not exact numbers..

but look at it this way, if you swallow a PEA sized amount of toothpaste, you are considered poison correct? it said that ..

It also said that a PEA sized amount has the same amount as an average glass of water, correct?

Then you are told to drink 6-9 glasses of water per day, correct?

Now, add all that up, and remember that fluoride doesn't leave your system.. and you tell me what that leaves you thinking?

http://www.fluoridealert.org/2007research/01.html

More on brain damage and the effects on a growing brain.

http://www.wddty.com/033638003723536...ring-iq-s.html

More on IQ damage.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26343107&hl=en

Australians suffering multiple side effects from fluoride (200, 000 australians)

The Fluoride Deception...
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.ph...728299&h=iJGHN

Also, please take note that these aren't "loose change" type research summaries.. they are full on doctors, dentists, CDC apparently aswell..

Also remember that if you boil water for food, the water evaporates, but the fluoride doesn't .. super concentrating it.

Same with coffee, tea etc ..

Show me these studies that state that fluoride in water has no effect on tooth decay. It is widely accepted in the scientific community that fluoride is extremely beneficial in this. It is one of the reasons our teeth are so much better than they were centuries ago. It's why countries with fluoride in the water have better teeth.

The issue is whether the dosage is too high, or whether it should be in the water at all. I have never seen anyone legitimately try and argue that fluoride doesn't help in tooth decay.

If you think this is scary wait until the United nations puts Codex Alimentarius in place towards he end of next year. All of this healthy food that you are talking about eating can be outlawed. They are already trying to crack down on large health food chains with "monopoly" laws. If one country so chooses they can ban natural remedies unless sold by a pharmacy or prescribed by a doctor. And yes this include the likes of vitamin c, d, etc etc. Countries can ban any crop which isn't GMO. If you aren't familiar with GMO for one it "Genetically Modified", secondly you have to by new seeds every year from the "patent" holder (most are also owned by the patent holders of Aspartame) If the crop dies the farmer makes no money and owes the money for the seeds and has to buy more the next season which has lead to tens of thousands of farmers committing suicide around the world where this is already in place such as India. Iraq's farmers in their new constitution are required to use GMO seeds. The new trend with the farmers committing suicide is them drinking the pesticides they have to buy from the same seeds supplier. Practically every GMO product leads to some sort of health issue (mostly sterilization) Another disturbing fact is the GMO crops contaminate all other crops around so if you have a organic farm one year and GMO's near your crops will turn into GMO's. Now I ask you why on earth would our Governments all agree to such a stupid thing?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... IqAKZna2gCQ&q

Look up a few posts. I got you started.. now you finish it.

To be honest I don't give a fuck if your teeth rot out, or your DNA degenerates.
All I wanted to do here was open some minds.. if yours is closed, feel free to have it that way.

Fact is ALL the links I linked to above state what I'm saying, just cause you'd rather post, than read doesn't mean I have to argue it with you.

Here's some more points to ponder. Flouridation of water started with the Nazi's to "tame" and "dumb down" the public. The scientists of the Nazi regime were all removed before the war really started and most were brought to the US under "Project Paperclip"

Several cities around the world have recently passed laws which ban bottled water.

GMO's are said to be the real cause in the disappearance of the bee population. Bee's are nature's necessity.

You're missing it dude..
I'm eating the SAME FOODS.

Only pesticide free fruits..
And Hormone free meats.
and Fluoride free water...

I've never used aspartame since i Lived with my parents and didn't have much choice.

Speaking of which, I was there for dinner tonight, and had nothing to drink as all they had was diet soda, and fluoridated water..

So I had a BEER which IMO is safer than both.. at least my body can break down that poison and piss it out.

While I generally agree and see the same thing you do, can we save it for another thread?.. before people just stop listening all together.. :1orglaugh

It's hard enough for these people to believe this shit is bad for you, once you put the spin on it that it's being done on purpose people are going to stop listening all together.

First, none of your links say that fluoride doesn't help stop tooth decay. Second, the overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors believe the benefits of fluoride outweigh the potential side effects.

I have an open mind to all science. But you simply read a couple reports of some people having side effects to something and automatically assume that everyone should stop doing it. An extremely small percent of people have a side effect to a vaccine that saves tons of lives and you want it stopped. Because some people may believe that fluoride can cause some problems, you would have it removed from our drinking water and our teeth rot.

And I agree it's not on the level of conspiracy sites, it's worse. It is telling people to do things that give them a statistically higher chance of hurting themselves. What these sites don't realize is that the advantages to many of these things far outweigh the potential side effects. The HPV vaccine dramatically helps reduce the occurrence of many types of cancer. But because a small handful of people have a side effect, you would rather put tens of millions of people at a higher risk. The HPV vaccine will save more lives than not giving the vaccine at all. That is a fact.

I could even argue the benefits of Aspartame. Yes it's toxic and yes it's not good for your body. But if it helps millions of people lose weight and lower their risk for heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, is it worth it? Everything isn't black and white. Was it not worth eradicating an epidemic like smallpox that took the lives of hundreds of millions because a small percent had issues with the vaccine?

here, cause you don't know how to click links apparently
http://www.fluoridealert.org/media/1989b.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...ies/index.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...t-fissure.html


And you know why dentists overwhelmingly agree that fluoride is good for you?
Cause they've never actually looked into it, they regurgitate what they learned in school 20 years ago

And there are tons of studies that show the benefits of fluoride.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/90796.php
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...04282/abstract

I'm not in this to argue whether fluoride is good or bad. I do know it's been used in the country since 1945 and I don't see some massive epidemic of fluoride related deaths sweeping the nation. I'm simply pointing out how absurd it is to believe that there is no scientific studies that show there is a benefit to it. That someone woke up one day and said we should put fluoride in our waters and everyone in the world decided to agree for the next 60 years without giving it a second thought.

you also have to research who funded all these studies, and who funds them, etc

also, please remember that studies are often proved WRONG due to idiots conducting them, like the ecstasy/mdma study they did in the 80's showing all the brain damage that ecstasy use can do, when it fact they WERE USING THE WRONG DRUG IN THE STUDY and didn't discover that until like 15 years later

i don't trust any study about MY health other than the study I am conducting every day by eating and drinking different things, if you trust someone else telling you what you can and can't eat then you are an idiot because every single body is different and requires something different than the body next to it and a test tube or scientist can't tell YOU what YOU need to eat and drink