http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride#Cavity-prevention

When you go to the dentist they typically give you a fluoride treatment as well, topical.

I'm not sold on the dangers of flouride in tap water, but if you get enough of it from toothpaste (and I assume you do) then I would rather it not be in the water supply.

IMO it's in the water supply only because a lot of people don't brush their teeth enough. It's like the government injecting vitamins into the water supply because the average American doesn't eat right.

I use fluoride free toothpaste ..
http://www.greenbeaver.com/oral_care

That works for me ;)

Fluoride does NOTHING for your teeth.. sorry.
well maybe rots them out.. like it did mine...
Fluorosis is easy to spot out in the wild .. white blotchy teeth with brown pitting...
I was told by a DENTIST that this was the cause of my decay.

Fluoride was added to amercian water just as the great depression was ending, it's pretty much been proven that the decrease in dental decay was due to better living standards country wide..

Do the research for yourself you'll find the same.

Why does everyone else say differently? Including the CDC.

And how has it been pretty much proven?

GOOGLE.

Look past the CDC etc, they've been using it for years, do you think they'd admit liability?
Perhaps at first their studies showed it was good for dental health ( books I've read on the subject show different ), but either way,they can't go back now and say " sorry dudes, we've been poisoning you, and creating bone problems, DNA degeneration and sterility in men for decades "

do you realize the scope of the lawsuits they'd be up against?
So it's swept under the rug ..

Europe mostly doesn't fluoridate water, yet their teeth aren't decaying any faster than Americans and Canadians, why is that?

There's been hundreds of studies that prove that it's totally ineffective, and outright poison.. however those doctors and scientists usually lose all their grants after trying to say something about it.

Hell even the CDC says 1 in 3 are suffering!
I never caught that till now

He repeatedly mentions that the problems start with too much fluoride intake... however much that is.

I'm not saying you or he are wrong, but that video really did not give much solid information.

http://fluoridealert.org/iq.studies.html

Here's a bunch of studies showing REDUCED IQ in areas where fluoridation is in use.

Maybe not exact numbers..

but look at it this way, if you swallow a PEA sized amount of toothpaste, you are considered poison correct? it said that ..

It also said that a PEA sized amount has the same amount as an average glass of water, correct?

Then you are told to drink 6-9 glasses of water per day, correct?

Now, add all that up, and remember that fluoride doesn't leave your system.. and you tell me what that leaves you thinking?

http://www.fluoridealert.org/2007research/01.html

More on brain damage and the effects on a growing brain.

http://www.wddty.com/033638003723536...ring-iq-s.html

More on IQ damage.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26343107&hl=en

Australians suffering multiple side effects from fluoride (200, 000 australians)

The Fluoride Deception...
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.ph...728299&h=iJGHN

Also, please take note that these aren't "loose change" type research summaries.. they are full on doctors, dentists, CDC apparently aswell..

Also remember that if you boil water for food, the water evaporates, but the fluoride doesn't .. super concentrating it.

Same with coffee, tea etc ..

Show me these studies that state that fluoride in water has no effect on tooth decay. It is widely accepted in the scientific community that fluoride is extremely beneficial in this. It is one of the reasons our teeth are so much better than they were centuries ago. It's why countries with fluoride in the water have better teeth.

The issue is whether the dosage is too high, or whether it should be in the water at all. I have never seen anyone legitimately try and argue that fluoride doesn't help in tooth decay.

If you think this is scary wait until the United nations puts Codex Alimentarius in place towards he end of next year. All of this healthy food that you are talking about eating can be outlawed. They are already trying to crack down on large health food chains with "monopoly" laws. If one country so chooses they can ban natural remedies unless sold by a pharmacy or prescribed by a doctor. And yes this include the likes of vitamin c, d, etc etc. Countries can ban any crop which isn't GMO. If you aren't familiar with GMO for one it "Genetically Modified", secondly you have to by new seeds every year from the "patent" holder (most are also owned by the patent holders of Aspartame) If the crop dies the farmer makes no money and owes the money for the seeds and has to buy more the next season which has lead to tens of thousands of farmers committing suicide around the world where this is already in place such as India. Iraq's farmers in their new constitution are required to use GMO seeds. The new trend with the farmers committing suicide is them drinking the pesticides they have to buy from the same seeds supplier. Practically every GMO product leads to some sort of health issue (mostly sterilization) Another disturbing fact is the GMO crops contaminate all other crops around so if you have a organic farm one year and GMO's near your crops will turn into GMO's. Now I ask you why on earth would our Governments all agree to such a stupid thing?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... IqAKZna2gCQ&q

Look up a few posts. I got you started.. now you finish it.

To be honest I don't give a fuck if your teeth rot out, or your DNA degenerates.
All I wanted to do here was open some minds.. if yours is closed, feel free to have it that way.

Fact is ALL the links I linked to above state what I'm saying, just cause you'd rather post, than read doesn't mean I have to argue it with you.

Here's some more points to ponder. Flouridation of water started with the Nazi's to "tame" and "dumb down" the public. The scientists of the Nazi regime were all removed before the war really started and most were brought to the US under "Project Paperclip"

Several cities around the world have recently passed laws which ban bottled water.

GMO's are said to be the real cause in the disappearance of the bee population. Bee's are nature's necessity.

You're missing it dude..
I'm eating the SAME FOODS.

Only pesticide free fruits..
And Hormone free meats.
and Fluoride free water...

I've never used aspartame since i Lived with my parents and didn't have much choice.

Speaking of which, I was there for dinner tonight, and had nothing to drink as all they had was diet soda, and fluoridated water..

So I had a BEER which IMO is safer than both.. at least my body can break down that poison and piss it out.

While I generally agree and see the same thing you do, can we save it for another thread?.. before people just stop listening all together.. :1orglaugh

It's hard enough for these people to believe this shit is bad for you, once you put the spin on it that it's being done on purpose people are going to stop listening all together.

First, none of your links say that fluoride doesn't help stop tooth decay. Second, the overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors believe the benefits of fluoride outweigh the potential side effects.

I have an open mind to all science. But you simply read a couple reports of some people having side effects to something and automatically assume that everyone should stop doing it. An extremely small percent of people have a side effect to a vaccine that saves tons of lives and you want it stopped. Because some people may believe that fluoride can cause some problems, you would have it removed from our drinking water and our teeth rot.

And I agree it's not on the level of conspiracy sites, it's worse. It is telling people to do things that give them a statistically higher chance of hurting themselves. What these sites don't realize is that the advantages to many of these things far outweigh the potential side effects. The HPV vaccine dramatically helps reduce the occurrence of many types of cancer. But because a small handful of people have a side effect, you would rather put tens of millions of people at a higher risk. The HPV vaccine will save more lives than not giving the vaccine at all. That is a fact.

I could even argue the benefits of Aspartame. Yes it's toxic and yes it's not good for your body. But if it helps millions of people lose weight and lower their risk for heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, is it worth it? Everything isn't black and white. Was it not worth eradicating an epidemic like smallpox that took the lives of hundreds of millions because a small percent had issues with the vaccine?

here, cause you don't know how to click links apparently
http://www.fluoridealert.org/media/1989b.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...ies/index.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...t-fissure.html


And you know why dentists overwhelmingly agree that fluoride is good for you?
Cause they've never actually looked into it, they regurgitate what they learned in school 20 years ago

And there are tons of studies that show the benefits of fluoride.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/90796.php
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...04282/abstract

I'm not in this to argue whether fluoride is good or bad. I do know it's been used in the country since 1945 and I don't see some massive epidemic of fluoride related deaths sweeping the nation. I'm simply pointing out how absurd it is to believe that there is no scientific studies that show there is a benefit to it. That someone woke up one day and said we should put fluoride in our waters and everyone in the world decided to agree for the next 60 years without giving it a second thought.

you also have to research who funded all these studies, and who funds them, etc

also, please remember that studies are often proved WRONG due to idiots conducting them, like the ecstasy/mdma study they did in the 80's showing all the brain damage that ecstasy use can do, when it fact they WERE USING THE WRONG DRUG IN THE STUDY and didn't discover that until like 15 years later

i don't trust any study about MY health other than the study I am conducting every day by eating and drinking different things, if you trust someone else telling you what you can and can't eat then you are an idiot because every single body is different and requires something different than the body next to it and a test tube or scientist can't tell YOU what YOU need to eat and drink

Thanks for the info.

I don't know if you read either, I'd suspect not.. I did,I also suspect you read none of the links I posted, or you'd still be reading;) and funny how reading both your links took me all of 3 minutes, but you could go over the studies for days and WEEKS about the negative side effects, lack of proof that it's preventing decay etc etc..

but the those both say " these studies found that cavities were down in fluoridated areas" no PDF's, no page after page of details, tests and specs of those tests, no graphs, no graphics, no charts.

just " these scientists found out it's good " :1orglaugh

So since fluoride has no benefits whatsoever, please tell us why they insist on leaving it in our water. What possible benefit do people have to continue to use it?

Why would the American Dental Association, American Medical Association, CDC, and WHO all be plotting to poison us?

We've had the Federal Reserve System for nearly 100 years and most people still don't want to accept it to be the root of our problems right now either. Even though history has shown thousands of years before that central banking doesn't work. People (like me) are just now "waking up" to this fact.

Your 1945 figure works quite well with the fact that the war with the Nazi's began in 1941 which gave the scientists a few years to come on over and set up shop here in the US. And considering the fact that Prescott Bush and companies funded the Nazi party it's not so hard to believe.

$$ :2 cents:

How does having fluoride in the water system make them money? Do they own major stock in fluoride companies or something?

Lobbyists... plus now that the system is in place, it would take a lot to reverse it.

Just saying...

So the Nazis infiltrated all these health organizations and talked them into supporting fluoride so that they could slowly poison us? Did they also cover up all the fluoride related deaths we never see or hear about? Hitler was a bloody genius to have this much foresight. The holocaust was just a diversion toward his real plans of water fluoridation.

When all else fails, blame the Nazis.

Lobbyists for the fluoride industry? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are people who make money from this. But I'm unaware that there is a lobbying force so strong that they could buy up the AMA, ADA, WHO, and CDC without anyone knowing who they are.

I know there has been debate on fluoride, but I have always assumed that there is little harm in having it in our water. I've never heard anything this industry being so lucrative that people are willing to kill us to keep it alive.

It's not about killing you. It's to make you "docile."

"Fluoride used by Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile. Fluoride a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac and Sarin nerve gas"

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

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