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Rory 11-11-2002 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by jojojo
Will you get a buzz if you just take buds and eat them or swallow them?
No , but you can cook with it. Several different methods, but bottom line is that you need to raise the temperature or the effects will be the same as any other herb in your cabinet.

Rory
:helpme

Rory 11-11-2002 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
From a study by the British Lung Foundation (discussed at http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click...216& set_id=1):

"Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco and smoking three joints of pure cannabis is as bad for the lungs as 20 cigarettes, a medical study by the British Lung Foundation said on Monday."

"When the cannabis is mixed with tobacco, the effects are even worse, the study - titled A Smoking Gun - discovered."

(blah, blah)

"'These statistics will come as a surprise to many people, especially those who choose to smoke cannabis rather than tobacco in the belief it is "safer" for them,' said Dr Mark Britton, chairperson of the foundation."

http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/info...ur_health.html

How many studies do you think we can find on the internet until we realize that we are all doomed to die anyhow?

Rory
:helpme

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Spoonie Luv
I got tired of getting ripped off by criminals. Funny thing is now that I've quit, I found out that the bartender of a bar I frequent is a dealer, so I can get it now no problem from someone I trust.

...

I may be off here on the facts, but I think Nixon outlawed pot and lsd to try and curb the anti-war sentiment. Or at least he put marijuana in the same class of drugs as heroin and cocaine, which is just ridiculous.

...

Prohibition will never work. I guess we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past.


Nobody seems to want to talk about the trashy lowlifes which an illegal drug habit fosters.

It's true that pot is nowhere near the problem or threat that coke or amphetamines, etc., are, but it's an unnecesary problem.

I'm a libertarian, and I feel if someone wants to use a drug, fucking let them. But also free up everyone else to discriminate against them for doing so. In other words, drug testing before getting an apartment or job, etc.

It's depressing that every generation seems to have to learn on its own that heroin is not something to mess with, so when people want to pass the hat for heroin addicts, I'm like, "Why? It's not like heroin addiction is some sort of closely guarded secret! Just like, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time," don't try addictive substances unless you're willing to take the consequences.

High Quality 11-11-2002 03:55 PM

I wouldn't be where i am today if I didn't have my pal, mary j.

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rory


http://www.alaw.org/air_quality/info...ur_health.html

How many studies do you think we can find on the internet until we realize that we are all doomed to die anyhow?

Rory
:helpme

This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

Fletch XXX 11-11-2002 03:59 PM

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"Cannabis is more dangerous than tobacco and smoking three joints of pure cannabis is as bad for the lungs as 20 cigarettes, a medical study by the British Lung Foundation said on Monday."
Most herb smokers use other cleaner means of smoking.

Quote:

"When the cannabis is mixed with tobacco, the effects are even worse, the study - titled A Smoking Gun - discovered."
Why would you want to mix herbs and tabacco? Most don't. Again just a Non User propaganda.

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"Respiratory damage: Marijuana smoke contains higher concentrations of some of the constituents of tar than tobacco smoke"
'some' of course. But nothing like cigaretts, smokes screens and unclear 'facts'

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"Research has shown a link between chronic heavy marijuana use and damage to the respiratory system similar to that caused by tobacco."
Note: 'similar' - not the same, more unclear 'facts' used to smoke screen

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"Cannabis impairs co-ordination. This brings with it the risk of injury and death through impaired driving or accidents such as falls...North American studies of blood samples from drivers involved in motor vehicle crashes have consistently found that positive results for THC (the mood-altering ingredient in cannabis) are second only to positive results for alcohol."

Who said you are supposed to go drive when stoned? Most users dont. I dont drive high or drunk. Thats a question of ones judgement not the effects of a substance.

Of course it impairs your coordination, thats what getting hgh is about. Why do you drink a beer? To get focused or let go?

Get real.

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One for the ladies: "Cannabis use by women who are pregnant may affect the fetus. As with tobacco smoking, risks such as low birth weight and premature delivery increase with use."
Again, just bullshit. Of course a woman shouldnt smoke herbs while pregnant, the same she shouldn't have excessive caffeine of sugar in her diet while pregnant.

More non user smoke screens.

What a shame.

Youd think someone would bring up real arguments.

Rory 11-11-2002 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld



Nobody seems to want to talk about the trashy lowlifes which an illegal drug habit fosters.

It's true that pot is nowhere near the problem or threat that coke or amphetamines, etc., are, but it's an unnecesary problem.

I'm a libertarian, and I feel if someone wants to use a drug, fucking let them. But also free up everyone else to discriminate against them for doing so. In other words, drug testing before getting an apartment or job, etc.

It's depressing that every generation seems to have to learn on its own that heroin is not something to mess with, so when people want to pass the hat for heroin addicts, I'm like, "Why? It's not like heroin addiction is some sort of closely guarded secret! Just like, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time," don't try addictive substances unless you're willing to take the consequences.

Are you AaronM's dad?

You seem to now be talking like your shit dont stink. Iam sure you have your addictions man, should I join a political party and campaign against your addictions? Matter of fact , several models that had shot for you told us that while shooting for you you had a chubby. Sex addiction maybe? Wanna find some articles about sex addiction?

Rory
:helpme

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by High Quality
I wouldn't be where i am today if I didn't have my pal, mary j.
And according to your profile, that place is "limbo."

spanky 11-11-2002 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld


This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

well you did say:

"Aside from turning you into a zombie who is still living at home with Mom at age 30 and thinks reruns of CHIPS are entertaining, it can have serious health consequences, it seems."

you must have expected to get a rise... CHIPS?

cherrylula 11-11-2002 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by quiet


exactly. obesity is the number #1 cause of death in the US and Canada - by a landslide. maybe we should criminalize the use of fatty foods. the war on fat.

:glugglug


I have some relatives a few hundred miles away (thank goodness)... no alcohol or drug problems, however my Aunt is so fucking fat she has bladder problems and "depends" are not made big enough. So she wears diapers in the largest size possible. And now she has to sleep with oxygen because her lungs collapse while she sleeps. I think she just turned 50, not that old either.

And my 69 year old Grandfather (on my fathers side) could kick a lot of guys ass, he is so fit, but he's from Europe. Go figure.

High Quality 11-11-2002 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld


And according to your profile, that place is "limbo."

Its a good place - dont knock it till you try it.

Rory 11-11-2002 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld


This whole thing started when I merely pointed out an article stating some health risks related to cannabis. The amount of defensiveness about it is revelatory. "Methinks thou protest too much" as Shakespeare would say.

Your first post that you must have forgot (are you a stoner man?).....
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Aside from turning you into a zombie who is still living at home with Mom at age 30 and thinks reruns of CHIPS are entertaining, it can have serious health consequences, it seems.
Is that merely stating some of the health risks?

To me it sure sounds like your making a narrow-minded stereotype of people because you dont like pot smokers.

Keep talking ..... you superior people really do some funny things.

Rory
:helpme

FlyingIguana 11-11-2002 04:18 PM

"but to some people who have no control over their actions (alcoholism) those coins keep them strong. "

unless you are mentally ill you do have control over your actions. if you allow youself to get addicted to crack, it was you who was in control when you used it.

now if you're depressed or have low self esteem, that could be a result of a mental illness. if thats why you started being a drunk, then its your fault for not getting help with your issues.

sherie 11-11-2002 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by ColKurtz
I am the same age, and it dosent take a rocket scientist to see that doing drugs and drinking will have effects down the road.

Its up to the person to make that choice. Free choice should accompany personal resonsiblity.

My main concern is there is a lot of people in their 20's and younger coming up that drink like sailors and smoke pot like a chimney. As well as do things like ecstacy which fucks up the brain. And I dont want my tax dollars to pay the medical bills down the road.

Unfortunately that no may longer be true :(

A study completed in the England Medicine Journal says that there is approximately 50% more carcinogens in pot and smoking 3 joints per day is equivalent to smoking 20 cigarettes

I'm with Luna, brownies seem much easier on the lungs!

spanky 11-11-2002 04:25 PM

http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws160.htm
:2 cents:

Fletch XXX 11-11-2002 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
if thats why you started being a drunk, then its your fault for not getting help with your issues.
Shallow.

For a man with no problems your windows crack easily.

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Again, just bullshit. Of course a woman shouldnt smoke herbs while pregnant, the same she shouldn't have excessive caffeine of sugar in her diet while pregnant.

More non user smoke screens.

What a shame.

Youd think someone would bring up real arguments.


If "excessive" is the operative word for you, how much exposure to cannabis smoke is nonexcessive? The answer: It would be better for your lungs not to have any smoke in them at all, wouldn't it? So, any amount is excessive compared to none at all, right?

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rory
To me it sure sounds like your making a narrow-minded stereotype of people because you dont like pot smokers.

Oh, I don't mind pot smokers (and I certainly have better things to do than hate pot smokers!). However, I do like a good discussion, which this is. :feels-hot

Rory 11-11-2002 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld



If "excessive" is the operative word for you, how much exposure to cannabis smoke is nonexcessive? The answer: It would be better for your lungs not to have any smoke in them at all, wouldn't it? So, any amount is excessive compared to none at all, right?

Jesus christ give up on the "I was just trying to inform people" shit, you came looking for a discussion, arguement, whatever. Quit changing your opinion and stick your foot in your mouth.

Rory
:helpme

Fletch XXX 11-11-2002 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

I don't mind stoners

Get a fucking clue Kenny Rogers.

I notice your simpleton remarks - you know why you make these posts. Next time you wanna help an addict ask your models if they are hooked.

Gravity is my only enemy.

On-top 11-11-2002 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Cannabis is bad for you, it turns out
I'm pretty sure that 'smoke' in general is bad for you when it's ingested. Not just cigarette and cannabis, but diesel and other petroleum products' smoke cause cancer. Sage contains toxins when it's burned...wood smoke has health risks attached.

So...anybody up for some pot brownies?

Rory 11-11-2002 05:05 PM

Stem Tea on me in Vegas!

cherrylula 11-11-2002 05:31 PM

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foe 11-11-2002 05:55 PM

Just dont add tobaco to your joints and youll be fine

bhutocracy 11-11-2002 06:38 PM

I hope they didn't spend any money on this "study". How many times can they say the same thing? - I remember about 8 years ago hearing the same stuff - but I think it was one joint has the tar of three cigarettes, not seven.. although it's a pity this study didn't mention that probably 90% of pot goes through bongs which filter more than a joint. It's also wrong that pot has more THC then previously, thats been proven time and time again to b a fallacy, it's just that people are only smoking the best heads today, whereas in the 60's people wouldn't be taking pics of buds, they'd be showing off their leaf.. which people laugh at the idea of smoking today..

I still don't think i've met ONE pot smoker who thought it was healthy.. in fact many seemed hyper aware of it's effects and talked about lower immune systems and what not..
one other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the link with mental disorders - but as with most things it's about long term excessive use.

unseenworld, the non-excessive dose is once every fortnight... once a week if you want to push it, so the doctors recommend.

LikeaVirgin 11-11-2002 07:59 PM

Their just saying that cause they know if we had enough people to rally to legalize the shit they would have to succumb. Fuck them I'm smoked out. They betta fuck what they heard. Cannibus is the shit!

UnseenWorld 11-11-2002 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
I hope they didn't spend any money on this "study". How many times can they say the same thing? - I remember about 8 years ago hearing the same stuff - but I think it was one joint has the tar of three cigarettes, not seven.. although it's a pity this study didn't mention that probably 90% of pot goes through bongs which filter more than a joint. It's also wrong that pot has more THC then previously, thats been proven time and time again to b a fallacy, it's just that people are only smoking the best heads today, whereas in the 60's people wouldn't be taking pics of buds, they'd be showing off their leaf.. which people laugh at the idea of smoking today..

I still don't think i've met ONE pot smoker who thought it was healthy.. in fact many seemed hyper aware of it's effects and talked about lower immune systems and what not..
one other thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the link with mental disorders - but as with most things it's about long term excessive use.

unseenworld, the non-excessive dose is once every fortnight... once a week if you want to push it, so the doctors recommend.

I did quote a part about cannabis dependency syndrome, cannabis=drug, cannabis dependency=drug dependency.

The fact that people are getting so bent out of shape sure looks like a dependency thing. If I were saying peas were not good for you, can you imagine this kind of commotion and rush to defend the pea-eating habit? No. Why? There is no dependency on peas.

I think in a while, after this blows over, I'll start a thread on how peas are bad for you, and I believe it will just die on the vine. Why? No one cares enough about peas to get all bent out of shape over it.

I started the thread in fun (I did point out an actual article but made what was clearly a teasy remark about watching CHIPS, etc.), but look at how far it's gone: one guy even stating he'd never ever buy content from me because of my posts. I've also been called bitter (absurd to anyone who really knows me?they'd lay it more to a weird sense of humor) and I've had it all blamed on my age (I'm not walking with a cane yet...and ironically THAT was from someone whose first line of defense was to accuse me of stereotyping potheads).

All in all an interesting day.

FlyingIguana 11-11-2002 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Shallow.

For a man with no problems your windows crack easily.

hey i'm just telling it like it is. everyone has problems, you just deal with them.

doodoohead 11-11-2002 09:34 PM

Hey you know what I say???

People are people and you should do what you want as long as it doesnt infringe on another person. As an adult you should be allowed to make your own decisions and not have the government make them for you based on studies. :feels-hot

bhutocracy 11-11-2002 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld


I did quote a part about cannabis dependency syndrome, cannabis=drug, cannabis dependency=drug dependency.

The fact that people are getting so bent out of shape sure looks like a dependency thing. If I were saying peas were not good for you, can you imagine this kind of commotion and rush to defend the pea-eating habit? No. Why? There is no dependency on peas.

I think in a while, after this blows over, I'll start a thread on how peas are bad for you, and I believe it will just die on the vine. Why? No one cares enough about peas to get all bent out of shape over it.

I started the thread in fun (I did point out an actual article but made what was clearly a teasy remark about watching CHIPS, etc.), but look at how far it's gone: one guy even stating he'd never ever buy content from me because of my posts. I've also been called bitter (absurd to anyone who really knows me?they'd lay it more to a weird sense of humor) and I've had it all blamed on my age (I'm not walking with a cane yet...and ironically THAT was from someone whose first line of defense was to accuse me of stereotyping potheads).

All in all an interesting day.

but you were trying to tease.. it's only natural to expect such a reaction.. comparing pot to peas doesn't quite work unseen and you know that :) - even disregarding the psychological dependency (which is a fact amongst heavy users) you don't have to be dependant on something to care enough to respond to teasing... the fact is that pot use ten times the defining characteristic than eating peas is.. if i were 60 and people said "all sixty year old's do is sit around in depends watching matlock" i probably wouldn't buy their content either :)

Fletch XXX 11-11-2002 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana


hey i'm just telling it like it is. everyone has problems, you just deal with them.

That goes without saying.

But no man will walk this earth without praying.

and know that praying will do you no good, unless you know, whats going on; here in the night.

Just another shallow soul trying to preach about something you know nothing of.

D_Nell 11-12-2002 12:57 AM

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theking 11-12-2002 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Yeah okay. You wont live to 50. I really hope you dont, just so my point will be proven.

How old are you first.

Before I argue on this board as it seems most of you fuckers arent even old enough to drink and want to argue about the laws you dont even vote on. Only here.

When was the last time you did ANYTHING to help another person battle addiction?

I have been through AA and helped others as well as many in my family battle alcoholism, talked to others and helped many of my friends even put down syringes in serious and life threatening situations. Drug rehab and withdrawal are not easy, and I bet you know nothing of it.

You sit in your bedroom yapping your fucking mouth about the War on Drugs when you arent shit and havent been anywhere when it comes to real people with addicitons and/or problems, yet your dad was probably fucking buzzed off of Budweiser when you were conceived. Maybe thats why you think the way you do?

Take your fucking double standard and shove it up your ass boy.

Im the most aggressive fucking stoner yuoull ever meet, well maybe. Im from new Orleans where you can be drinking on Bourbon at 15, I know I was doing it. I see people wreck their whole lives for a drink, I know again because I used to do it, hence my trip to AA.

Now I clean my life up and choose to smoke a lil herbs and that makes me a bad guy now? Fuck off dude, you dont know shit. Get some scars before you talking about living pussy.

So how old are you?

hahaha

How very amusing. A self righteous dope head. :winkwink:

cherrylula 11-12-2002 01:34 AM

unseenworld = gay

cherrylula 11-12-2002 01:35 AM

oh gee

theking = gay

are you two even different people?

Swiftone 11-12-2002 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Rory
Deleted everything I was about to post ...... but Unseen you should be looking to your state since medical use of marijuana is very legal here in Oregon. If it so deadly why are there licensed physicians suggesting the use may help some of there patients.

Rory

Becuase most people who will be getting treatment from Marijuana already have extremey serious medical conditions and will most likely be dead before any real 'damage' from it occurs?

Fletch XXX 11-12-2002 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by theking


How very amusing. A self righteous dope head. :winkwink:

My leather jacket is worth more than your opinion.

You sit in a bunk city talking shit about what you know nothing of.

Come to Hollywood, let me take you out for a night on the town you lame fucker. We might have a good time. If you can afford it.

I live a life you dream of.

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spanky 11-12-2002 01:46 AM

that's so cute... you have little buttons on your jacket.

Fletch XXX 11-12-2002 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by spanky
that's so cute... you have little buttons on your jacket.
Lets see what you're wearing.

If you aint shit shut the fuck up.

Lets see you.

hahaha


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