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boneprone 12-22-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 15231538)
Seems they easily changed there minds from the full amount and sinking lawyer on ya down to "Ok just give us 50%"

Id still get a lawyer and go after them if ya decide to settle obviously get shit in writing and so on

I think with a good lawyer you can pretty much tell em "Go fuck a goat "

:pimp


From the sound of this, I dont need an attorney. I need a Guido that runs one of those electronic shops in NY or a Chinaman from ChinaTown.

Looks like they are willing to barter.

BrianL 12-22-2008 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15231517)
Do I fight or do I settle?

I just got an offer here people.

One other thing. In most cases like this the atty fees to fight it and the settlement end up pretty much a wash. What determines who fights and who doesn't is how angry the defendant is. If they are really pissed they would rather give the money to the lawyer, if they are not that angry and just want to move on, they settle.

Juicy D. Links 12-22-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15231571)
From the sound of this, I dont need an attorney. I need a Guido that runs one of those electronic shops in NY or a Chinaman from ChinaTown.

Looks like they are willing to barter.

tell em you are poor and just had to pay money for a triple testicle implant and can only afford 1500 bucks right now , and that the hospitals are after ya in court and so on bla bla ..... also tell em to go fuck a goat

raymor 12-22-2008 10:54 AM

You said they'll take 50%. Did you offer 50% or did they?
If you offered 50% it'll be harder to take that offer back.
If they offered 50%, they'll probably settle for a little less.

You can probably walk away for 1.5 months + your attorney fees, depending
on your state if you might end up paying other fees for their collection expenses.
So find out what the attorney will charge you. Is 1.5 months plus your attorney
fees less than or close to 50%?

boneprone 12-22-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL (Post 15231593)
One other thing. In most cases like this the atty fees to fight it and the settlement end up pretty much a wash. What determines who fights and who doesn't is how angry the defendant is. If they are really pissed they would rather give the money to the lawyer, if they are not that angry and just want to move on, they settle.

I dont see why they would be angry with me?
Its not like I started a thread on the Industry's Largest Message Board talking about this shit.:winkwink:

Only 4000 people have seen this so far.

boneprone 12-22-2008 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 15231659)
You said they'll take 50%. Did you offer 50% or did they?
If you offered 50% it'll be harder to take that offer back.
If they offered 50%, they'll probably settle for a little less.

You can probably walk away for 1.5 months + your attorney fees, depending
on your state if you might end up paying other fees for their collection expenses.
So find out what the attorney will charge you. Is 1.5 months plus your attorney
fees less than or close to 50%?


They offered 50%.

4500.00

I just countered.

I said 2800.00

Is that fair? If they accept ill do it.

SweetT 12-22-2008 11:09 AM

One more tip to make this easier for you to swallow if you decide to settle....

Once you two agree on a dollar figure then go back to them and tell them that you cant afford to pay it all at once and ask them to break it up into 3 payments. It makes it easier for you to pay since you feel deep down inside that you don't owe it anyway.

Just a last option ;)


--T

boneprone 12-22-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetT (Post 15231811)
One more tip to make this easier for you to swallow if you decide to settle....

Once you two agree on a dollar figure then go back to them and tell them that you cant afford to pay it all at once and ask them to break it up into 3 payments. It makes it easier for you to pay since you feel deep down inside that you don't owe it anyway.

Just a last option ;)


--T


Break 2800 into 3 payments? LOL.

Ok.

I hope they do go for 2800.00

boneprone 12-22-2008 11:19 AM

I should be asking the Anal Hobbit for advice now.

TheDoc 12-22-2008 11:20 AM

It comes down to this... You either gave them notice or you didn't. The didn't is easy.

If you gave them notice on time, you tell them the contract is over, deal done.. and move on your way. Ignore them if needed, if they came after you it would open them up for legal problems that would end up paying you.

It's as simple as that.. You don't ever, pay for something that you didn't use, get, or agree on. No communication issues, email issues, or screwed up ICQ are excuses. Deal is done, it's done.

It's how trash companies try to make an extra dime when they have nothing else.. Don't let them win, don't give them a damn thing!

Egomancer 12-22-2008 11:25 AM

I would settle, because it will take a lot of time to sort this out - and in the end you will loose more...

Egomancer

Juicy D. Links 12-22-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15231841)
Break 2800 into 3 payments? LOL.

Ok.

I hope they do go for 2800.00


tell them you will give them Itunes Gift cards instead of money

Snake Doctor 12-22-2008 11:31 AM

In terms of settlement, you need to ask yourself what you think an attorney can reasonably negotiate for you (not some pie in the sky idea where Navisite leaves you alone forever without collecting a dime because that's not going to happen....but the best deal a good negotiator would get you based on all the facts in play)
Then add to that number what you'll have to pay in attorney fees.

If that total number is more than the deal they're offering, you should take the deal.

FYI, get a full release in writing before sending them the funds. Should be a standard language form that the attorney has on hand that releases you from any further obligation to the company if you pay $X amount by X date.

DON'T send any money until you've received a letter like that signed by an officer of the company or their legal counsel. Otherwise the money you send could be considered a "payment towards the total you owe"

:2 cents:

boneprone 12-22-2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15232020)
In terms of settlement, you need to ask yourself what you think an attorney can reasonably negotiate for you (not some pie in the sky idea where Navisite leaves you alone forever without collecting a dime because that's not going to happen....but the best deal a good negotiator would get you based on all the facts in play)
Then add to that number what you'll have to pay in attorney fees.

If that total number is more than the deal they're offering, you should take the deal.

FYI, get a full release in writing before sending them the funds. Should be a standard language form that the attorney has on hand that releases you from any further obligation to the company if you pay $X amount by X date.

DON'T send any money until you've received a letter like that signed by an officer of the company or their legal counsel. Otherwise the money you send could be considered a "payment towards the total you owe"

:2 cents:

Exactly.

Forkbeard 12-22-2008 12:04 PM

In my experience a 50% settlement on a disputed debt -- especially one like this that's more-or-less legitimate -- is pretty standard. If you hire a lawyer, he'd be advising you to take it, pretty much without regard to the merits, because you're getting down into the territory where taking the settlement is cheaper than fighting.

I'd say, pay the man and move on with your campaign to make sure nobody in the business is ever again tempted to do business with these assholes.

Phoenix 12-22-2008 12:11 PM

yes...it is settled...jupiter hosting just fucked themselves in the ass...lol

boneprone 12-22-2008 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 15232248)
In my experience a 50% settlement on a disputed debt -- especially one like this that's more-or-less legitimate -- is pretty standard. If you hire a lawyer, he'd be advising you to take it, pretty much without regard to the merits, because you're getting down into the territory where taking the settlement is cheaper than fighting.

I'd say, pay the man and move on with your campaign to make sure nobody in the business is ever again tempted to do business with these assholes.


I will pay them if they agree to my $$ terms.

$4,500.00 is just too much for me to swallow in shakedown money.
The Asian Gangster days are behind me and the personal principle alone on this wont allow me to do it. I think I would rather fight. Even if it ends up costing me a little more.

Ill keep you posted.
I hope they accept my 2800.00 offer. I do want to put this behind me.

TurboAngel 12-22-2008 12:18 PM

Wow that sucks, move on over to NatNet babe.

;)

Fucksakes 12-22-2008 12:27 PM

send them 3 pics of spiders with 7 legs

G-Rotica 12-22-2008 12:36 PM

Whatever they offer, make sure you have it in wirting, not email. On paper. And make sure that they will not report it to the credit bureau as a bad debt.

tiger 12-22-2008 12:49 PM

Send them a drawing of a spider and tell them it is worth 5000.00 but you will accept a lower amount for the drawing in order to settle.

Forkbeard 12-22-2008 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15232320)
I will pay them if they agree to my $$ terms.

$4,500.00 is just too much for me to swallow in shakedown money.

Totally fair; I was just making a prediction about what your lawyer may suggest based on common practice and the pure economics of the situation.

But sometimes, it's not just about the money. I have been there too. Sometimes you just gotta draw the line.

I do hope they take your $2800 offer.

jscott 12-22-2008 01:14 PM

BP, tbh if they suggested 50% from me, that'd pretty much just anger me, they have been nothing but headaches from me since I joined them so even half payment would be a HUGE ripoff to me (in my personal situation with them)

That is just me, but also I dont live in USA so it doesnt totally matter for me anyways I guess, but still, for my situation, if anybody owes anything, THEY should owe ME!

Just my :2 cents:

Kudles 12-22-2008 01:37 PM

Nope I'm not

AliGbone 12-22-2008 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair (Post 15224213)
I have seen several new clients coming to WEBAIR from Jupiter recently with the same complaint. you should get them together and start a petition. This seems like a classic example of price gouging. Granted the market for data center space has gone UP CONSIDERABLY in the past year or so. I'll look over the contract for you and see if there is anything we can pull out of it.

As for getting a lawyer, I don't think you need one at this point, you will only incur more cost than it's worth. I'm sure if you drag it out and let them pay for a lawyer the costs will far exceed what they are trying to collect. Not to mention they will settle for far less just to avoid the aggravation.


Happy Holidays! =) :xmas-smil30


Dis is why i hosts wit da webair crew dey work wit you not against!

Great advice webair!


:thumbsup:pimp

boneprone 12-22-2008 07:52 PM

Looks like they wanna play ball:

"The lowest we can go is $3500"
James P. Spiller
Supervisor of Credit / Collections

Whats my next move?

Like I said this had the feel of bartering in a chineese sweat shop

Juicy D. Links 12-22-2008 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15234561)
Looks like they wanna play ball:

"The lowest we can go is $3500"
James P. Spiller
Supervisor of Credit / Collections

Whats my next move?

Like I said this had the feel of bartering in a chineese sweat shop


tell em , ok let me see cause i have to "borrow" money from my brother....

then come backa nd say I can only come up with 2500

Juicy D. Links 12-22-2008 08:07 PM

then send a Goat to James P. Spiller with a note "fuck me" on it

Juicy D. Links 12-22-2008 08:07 PM

seems they are hurting , over under on em being in biz is 6 months

JD 12-22-2008 08:17 PM

http://www.childrensmuseum.org/cosmi.../jupiter_b.jpg

350

JamesK 12-22-2008 08:25 PM

"The lowest we can go is $3500"

What a bunch of clowns. :1orglaugh

Doctor Dre 12-22-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15234561)
Looks like they wanna play ball:

"The lowest we can go is $3500"
James P. Spiller
Supervisor of Credit / Collections

Whats my next move?

Like I said this had the feel of bartering in a chineese sweat shop

Do like chinese people do :
Okay, then I offer 1500 $.

MaDalton 12-22-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 15234561)
Looks like they wanna play ball:

"The lowest we can go is $3500"
James P. Spiller
Supervisor of Credit / Collections

Whats my next move?

Like I said this had the feel of bartering in a chineese sweat shop

you were willing to pay 4 months (2800), a lawyer would be 1k at least - so settling for $3500 and get rid of the idiots and the headache might be the best

James124 12-22-2008 08:49 PM

bat + kneecaps

Brad Mitchell 12-22-2008 10:03 PM

Jesus christ quit being a dip and take the $3500 offer. You've already lucked out that they're not just calling your bluff because this isn't a case of hardship or actually having any actual basis to dispute the amounts.

Contractually, you don't have a leg to stand on and you've already done arguably as well as a lawyer would have, even if not, you've not had to pay any such fees which is your pickup.

If they knew there was a thread that had dozens of disgruntled customers inside it and that it was setting a collections precedent I can assure you they would be happy to retract their settlement offer.

If you settle you need a mutual release before you pay them anything and it needs to be written appropriately. We've already 'navigated' clients through 'Navisite' settlements, payment plans, full releases. Just call or email me after 11:30am est.

Best,

Brad

boneprone 12-22-2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 15234603)
tell em , ok let me see cause i have to "borrow" money from my brother....

then come backa nd say I can only come up with 2500

LOL.
I think I may actually use this.

boneprone 12-22-2008 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James124 (Post 15234722)
bat + kneecaps

Hey look everyone!
Its James Spiller from Navisite.

Everyone say hello and give him a warm welcome!

boneprone 12-22-2008 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 15234950)
Jesus christ quit being a dip and take the $3500 offer. You've already lucked out that they're not just calling your bluff because this isn't a case of hardship or actually having any actual basis to dispute the amounts.

Contractually, you don't have a leg to stand on and you've already done arguably as well as a lawyer would have, even if not, you've not had to pay any such fees which is your pickup.

If they knew there was a thread that had dozens of disgruntled customers inside it and that it was setting a collections precedent I can assure you they would be happy to retract their settlement offer.

If you settle you need a mutual release before you pay them anything and it needs to be written appropriately. We've already 'navigated' clients through 'Navisite' settlements, payment plans, full releases. Just call or email me after 11:30am est.

Best,

Brad

Ill probably hit you up.

Im in Anal Hobbit mode right now.
Im actually thinking I dont want to pay them at all now.

Has anyone actually tried taking this all the way yet?

Maybe we should see what happens.

Ive lost 10k on a Single Blazer Game bet and didnt bat an eye.

This would be much more entertaining even if I lose.

boneprone 12-22-2008 10:54 PM

I really dont like being pushed around. This is afterall me tucking tail between my legs and letting someone shake me down.

If they had accepted my $2800.00 I would have very truthfully done it for sure. It looks like they are still trying to push me around. $3500.00 wont do it.

NO DEAL....

There is no hardship, there is no problem with paying. I have the money and they dont.
For only this little amount im willing to fight. Fuck them for trying to push me around.

They want to fight me for 9 friggin k then im game.

The fun has yet to begin.

Super Negro 12-22-2008 11:01 PM

Good for you, if you have the money to fight this and take it all the way I would go for it just on principle alone

I love seeing people stand up for what is right

and even if you don't win and have to pay the $9k, you might light a spark under a MUCH bigger fishes ass than yours and they might take it higher than you possibly could have and knock those assfucks in the gut


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