yea, seriously, Roger. You make 1 thread a day about free porn & illegal tubes. Every post you make in other thread relates to free porn & illegal tubes. We all know what it is doing. We all know it isn't going anywhere.

It kicked ass and made quite a bit of money. The reason it failed was because it tried to put the shit back into the horse. Again, competition in a free market.

:2 cents:

When we started talking about our site we wanted it to be streaming only - didn't want members allowed to download anything.

But, every pay site we looked at u could download until your dick fell off and these tube sites offered endless free shit so we concluded that only streaming would get us too many chargebacks.

Seeing that we have basically zero vid content at the moment and no members yet - although we are getting some traffic - we are proud to announce that we haven't had one single chargeback.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:helpme

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im sorry, i think i just shit myself a little.

Here's how to solve this: Kill all the tube owners. Quit bitching and kill them all.

Aside from the laugh you are right on, its just pointless. We cant do shit about anything.

You bought into the bullshit the "old schoolers" have fed you. All you have to do is open your eyes and look at what surfers are now conditioned to in the mainstream market and know that this is patently false.

Free Trial Pussy......just give me your credit card :1orglaugh

So are surfers not conditioned to freebies everywhere in the mainstream market? This is our first site and we spoke to no old schoolers, just took a look at what's out there and knew that we could adapt and change if necessary. Totally agree - way too many giveaways.

I really dont care about the rest of the BS on the boards so I'm going to continue to bitch till I figure something out.. Oh wait I already did years ago and its kicking ass:)

Now i need to figure out another way to make money off porn thats new and unique

Look at the adult internet like a big adult bookstore. When you walk in, you can look at the dvd covers, magazine covers (they normally are plastic sealed so cover only) can SEE the toys in the boxes, but can't get them out and play with them. If you buy a dvd you BUY It not rent it normally, and its 20 to 120.00. You can't pay 30.00 at the door, and spend a month going into the store, walking out with Dvds and keeping them.

Soon as we start treating our biz as what it is everyone will be better off.

Lets end the rental price buys and keeps all the content in the store shit.

Yes, I loved the idea and wanted TGP2 to work so much! But against so much free content... *shrug*

Typical a thread with some good debate about the biz drops down the page while retarded stupid drama threads stay at the top. :disgust

Always happens.. Instead of webmasters just saying it wont change. why cant they just try to come up with a solution. I thought we were all smart here on gfy

we need to figure out a way to change things. maybe payout more to the webmasters who send traffic from censored or softcore free sites. some sort of incentive?

and less to the ones sending traffic from hardcore free sites since I bet those cancel right away

Only bad salesmen discount (or in adults case, give it away for free).

If you have content that people want, they'll pay. You can stream it or whatever and it won't affect signups or charge backs. Its not at all difficult to educate your members.

As for marketing, if other businesses did it like adult, none of us would be paying for anything - a free life if you will.

Its a joke.

It's called getting married....

plead to Barrack Obama that hardcore porn and nipples should be illegal unless you verify witha visa/creditcard.

Now, that's the only way and freaking ironic at the same time too. WE have to just start an undercover group on "anti-porn"...

Who wants to play the angry gray hairy lady??? :)

I already thought about ways to implement a Adult Union, but it would be required to raise enough money (HOW?) to make it powerful enough, and it would be also very very difficult to agree upon global limitations, and further to ensure that EVERYBODY is forced to follow those limitations.

That's not powerful enough IMHO, and impossible to control

i have repeatedly said
product placement
process monitization
and branding bugs

no one listens

I'm glad I don't have all my eggs in this porn basket.:2 cents:

I have been saying that for close to 8 to 9 years. I totally agree. If there is a demise of this industry it will be becuase of it's own undoing. Not the Gov.

There is a enough free porn that you could stop all production for 5 years and no one would even notice but the very few hardcore fans of certain actresses.

Porn DVD sales are down. PPC prices for adult is down. No one wants to pay for anything.

And it's the adult webmasters and adult internet companies that are to blame. They have no DRM, the have those stupid TGPS that give it all a way for free and now Tube sites. You think the average person is going to pay for porn when they can get it for free. It was bad enough with file sharing, but now you just type in Redtube.com or Youporn.com or some other worthless tube site.

The only thing that will save this industry...

1) A new form of porn such as virtual reality sex in the future with DRM.

2) Gov. Legislation Banning all hardcore contact that is not behind a credit card screen.

Then conversions would go back up.

Personally my conversions are good now due to the fact that 95% of my traffic is type-in traffic and I have a unique sales process. But back in 1998 I could just point a domain and make $2000 with no work at all. If what I said about happened my traffic that is converting good now would convert 4 times as good over all!

I said this a long time ago and people said I was nuts.

I hate when this board won't let you edit your message!

Fuck it:

I have been saying that for close to 8 to 9 years. I totally agree. If there is a demise of this industry it will be becuase of it's own undoing. Not the Gov. The truth is most of the people in this industry are not all that bright. Take a look at how this thread drops and moronic threads stay at the top as someone above pointed out.

For years the adult online industry lacked integrity and ripped people off and did not cancel memberships. Some people think what do you expect it's porn. B.S. porn can be a legit business and you can ethics. Just becuase you do not subscribe to main stream morals about sex does not make you corrupt or unethical. If you want to stay in business you have to provide real value to your customer, treat them well and sell to the over and over again.

You also don't give all of your products away for free. A 1 minute teaser trailer is one thing, a 5 to 20 minute move is ridiculous!

Many people got in adult when it was easy money and the smart ones made a killing. Today the last thing I would start would be any porn venture unless it was just to bang the chicks (and I decided to be an actor/producer). But for money there much better ways to make money.

I'd be out of the internet side now totally now if I did not own over 1000 adult domains.

There is a enough free porn that you could stop all production for 5 years and no one would even notice but the very few hardcore fans of certain actresses.

Porn DVD sales are down. PPC prices for adult is down. No one wants to pay for anything.

And it's the adult webmasters and adult internet companies that are to blame. They have no DRM, the have those stupid TGPS that give it all a way for free and now Tube sites. You think the average person is going to pay for porn when they can get it for free. It was bad enough with file sharing, but not every one knows how to do that, but now you just type in Redtube.com or Youporn.com or some other worthless tube site that is killing the industry.

The only thing that will save this industry...

1) A new form of porn such as virtual reality sex in the future with Sold DRM.

2) Gov. Legislation Banning all hardcore content that is not behind a credit card screen.

Then conversions would go back up.

Personally my conversions are good now due to the fact that 95% of my traffic is type-in traffic from my domains and I have a unique sales process. But back in 1998 I could just point a domain and make $2000 with no work at all. If what I said above happened my traffic that is converting good now would convert 4 times better over all!


PS: Someone always says, but then they will just move the severs. Not all will go off shore, many will just go down.

OK I got it. This might work and be an alternative to Gov. Legislation.

Companies will be resistant at first but in the long run it will be better for the industry and not only that the Anti-Porn people will be happy to leave us alone, because we are self-regulating.

ALL not some but ALL adult sponsors would have to STOP paying anyone that is giving away or using hardcore content! PERIOD! No more free hardcore movies! No more hardcore images. Softcore would be ok.

No penetration, nothing hardcore at all! And it would require all major players to strictly comply. This only hardcore should be in the site or on the tours period.

Will this work YES. Will people sign up yes, just like they used to.

The only way to stop something like this is to cut off the money supply, the reason people are doing this is the first place.

That'll not work, as long as there's not a reasonable financial motivation for each sponsor and content producer to comply. Otherwise there would be enough PaySites that will try to gain fresh affiliates by "allowing" them to use hardcore again...

people have been saying this for a long time, and they're right. you're right.

but we all know that there are a lot of smacktards on this planet... the free porn situation, it'll get a lot worse before it gets better. surfers are pretty smart now too, the average joe cybercock knows how to use torrents or google advanced search. and no matter what, a lot of people are blind to reality, they're convinced that giving away more than the next guy is the way to success; they're just trying to grab traffic. plus there are people that don't give a fuck about money and just want to enjoy and share porn on forums and rapidshare and so on, but that's another thread another day...

when i give away a picture of a chick posing in her underwear, there's always some dumb shit that comes along and gives away a 40mb movie of her getting fucked up the ass. for some reason, these dumb fucks are convinced they're going to be the next thehun by just giving giving giving giving giving everything away. and so you can say they're devaluing the traffic. most of us know that a network of small niche sites and blogs can make more $ than a dozen huge mgp giving away hundreds of 1-2 minute clips, but that is too much work for a lot of people. and surfers that just want to rub one out to regular hardcore porn, there's a lot of them out there. so it's easier just to give give give and be blinded by that sextracker counter that says 100,000 visitors/day, and you can make money from that, but the point i'm making is that making $ still seems to be second place in a lot of people's minds.

well, if blank dvds were free and it cost nothing to mail them, these same assholes would be sending out thousands of full length dvds with a note saying "please buy dvds from me!"

and so i continue to find an exploit little niches... take the cockroach and frog dissection porn that was posted here yesterday. those guys are charging $50-60 PER MOVIE DOWNLOAD and that site is blowing the fuck up, while Mr generic hardcore mgp owner is wondering why the fuck he's grossing $60/day and can't sell any ad space... :1orglaugh

That's why I said ALL, did you red the post? It would have to be an indutry wide reform and they would have to have enough sense to realize that if they want to be in long term this is what needs to be done and doing business as usual is the end of this business in the coming years.

So as I described it it would work. Getting people to do it is another thing.

Your Kidding right?

there's always gonna be one asshole who will fuck things up.....and of course many will start to follow trying to out-do that one asshole so it's a losing battle.

right on. and it usually starts with the kind of people that go crazy for these shitty contests on gfy, the usually-underage-or-just-plain-fucking-stupid contest and sig whores... or at least, the few of them that actually make sites. people giving away all this free shit? i'm willing to bankroll of team of crackhead negro musclemen to fly around the world and fuck them all in the ass. i'd be willing to put THOSE movies up for free. at least, my team would never be out of work, it's like trying to hold back the tide.

to all you clowns who want to be the next thehun - maybe you should stay in school, study law, and get into politics. then you can fuck all our shit up for real and make bank at the same time.

In my humble opinion its not controllable, and unity will not occur. If you had a billion dollars, and hired a million people to stand with you - you would lose. Find a way to generate revenue in the evolving market - or take a break.

The industry has chosen to cannibalize itself. Porn will not stop. Those who can adapt will, those who cant will help us to lower saturation.

The internet porn bubble ... that has a ring to it.

The real problem is 10 biggest illegal tube sites - Youporn, Redtube, Pornhub etc. Other illegal tubes use their embedded videos. What is needed to end this whole fiasco? Only one content owner with balls who will sue and win the case.


But as far I know adult industry is low hanging fruit ...

I know what you mean, but exactly the "Getting people to do it is another thing" is the core problem that need's to be solved. As long as we don't find a realistic way to get ALL people in this business to pull in the same direction it'll not work out

Bump for a good thread

Yep. You can see the progression.

Someone started a link site and linked to warning pages. It worked and got traffic.

Then someone decided to link right to galleries and bypass the warning pages. The TGP was born and it got even more traffic.

Then someone decided to link right to movie gallery pages. The MGP was born and it got still more traffic yet.

So someone decided they wouldn't link to anything. They would just serve it up right there for people to watch and the tube site was born. And it got even more traffic

Then someone decided they would take the tubes site and build one that offered full length movies, movies taken right from member's areas of sites and would allow people to upload their movies if they wanted. And the big tube site was born and it became a huge traffic source.

People have been racing to see who can offer the most porn with the least advertising for a while now. It won't stop until either one of these companies is successfully sued and has to pay out a huge settlement for stealing content or until the number of freeloads gets so huge they can no longer afford to pay the bandwidth on the site and they are forced to scale back.

Exactly, but I hope we can find a workaround

Business Threads seem to have a hard time on GFY....

They need to understand it will make them alot more money if we start removing the hardcore from free sites. I bet people will freak out since they cant get it anymore.