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After Shock Media 01-04-2009 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15279684)
It's obvious what you and After Shock Media think of me is irrelevant. And only a fool would think it matters.

It's what the model thinks of you on a casting and shoot that counts. Not what a few post board warriors think. Only they think their opinion counts in effecting a model.
I do not think you are irrelevant. I think you are stubborn, hard headed, and antiquated to the point of perhaps being antediluvian when it comes to business outside of your perceived beliefs. You also are very prone to self promotion and spamming the hell out of places while trying to act like it is not spam.

Glad to know that myself and ADG are suddenly post board warriors though. Especially when making posts on topic and in a business orientated thread and we just happen to dissagree with you and your "rules".

hypedough 01-04-2009 03:31 AM
I think there were more unprofessional girls years ago than now. Maybe the girls you deal with aren't mature enough to show up prepared for a shoot, but most of the ones I've run into lately have been consistently on time and professional. It might be because I work in Porn Valley where it's a job for these girls, not a quick buck because they've already gone through taking the plunge into adult. Don't get me wrong, there's always the complete hooker out of the bunch so watch out. But when I was shooting back in 2004-2005, there was a way higher cancellation rate due to the girl than there is now.

Paul Markham 01-04-2009 03:34 AM
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What in the hell is the thread link for? I never said you shoot average girls. Nor did I attempt to make some GOLDEN RULES that models should follow, one that does not lend itself to non hot girls. Nobody but you also brought up that the model should be the boss.
To show the range of girls I shoot. From the top to the bottom the same rules apply. This thread is all about girls laying down the rules of bringing an escort. Go read it.

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I know I cant do what you do shooting. Would not even begin to think it, and why would I? I am sure somewhere in your head you would want or expect others to think that way or compare maybe but no, what you do does not even enter my head outside of threads you post on here.
I also know I can't be you when I shoot and have said so. What I do works for me and not you and I said so.

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Is there more unprofessional girls around today than before? Not really sure as I have not worked with them all. I rarely have problems myself. I would also reason to think there are perhaps a hundred or more models entering each day in comparison to the number that was entering the business a decade ago and more than likely five hundred time or more when going back fifteen or twenty years - So I really think it would average out.
Yes there are more unprofessional girls around today than a decade ago or two decades and I would know. How long have you been shooting?

Whether there are more models around or not I think depends on where you are and what you're shooting. I never brought up the numbers, I was talking about how professional the models were. Why did you bring up numbers?

Why are you arguing without having a leg to stand on?

I'm finished with you.

After Shock Media 01-04-2009 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15279727)
Why did you bring up numbers?

Why are you arguing without having a leg to stand on?

I'm finished with you.

I never had a leg to stand on anyways, that is pointless to even bring up. You have been shooting much longer than I. I have less than 20 years of experience doing it, getting close to 19 if I recall correctly. I only brought up numbers to go with your thoughts that there are more unprofessional girls today than before in the past. The numbers was just a way to say percentage wise I doubt the number that are professional versus those that are not has not changed or may have actually gone down due to there being so many more models today than there was 10, 20, and 30 years ago.

Paul Markham 01-04-2009 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hypedough (Post 15279721)
I think there were more unprofessional girls years ago than now. Maybe the girls you deal with aren't mature enough to show up prepared for a shoot, but most of the ones I've run into lately have been consistently on time and professional. It might be because I work in Porn Valley where it's a job for these girls, not a quick buck because they've already gone through taking the plunge into adult. Don't get me wrong, there's always the complete hooker out of the bunch so watch out. But when I was shooting back in 2004-2005, there was a way higher cancellation rate due to the girl than there is now.
Comparing 2008 with 2004-2005 I would completely agree with you. Then the girls were getting far too much work thrown at them. Today with less work around they are better at turning up and more willing to work our way. I was thinking back a few more years. I was also thinking of more than just time keeping and arriving as an indication of how professional a girl is. Those things are simple manners and a newbie can turn up on time. What makes a girl a professional model is an entirely new thread and has little to do with turning up on time and the numbers of newbies.

Juilan 01-06-2009 03:18 PM
Fuck no spectators, they can steal things when I'm not looking that's my main concern.

pocketkangaroo 01-06-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 15279012)
pansies I tell ya
Funny, the ones that seem like pansies to me would be the ones who are afraid to have someone else watch what they are doing. With all the shady characters working in this industry, is it smart for any girl to show up to a shoot without an escort (unless she really knows the guy she is shooting for)?

pocketkangaroo 01-06-2009 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by simonsyinister (Post 15276604)
Usually the model wants to suck and fuck me, so obviously they want to play to get pay. I've had a few girls , ask can BF or hubby or manager come... I politely tell them, fuck no..and if they insist..I follow up with...shoot cancelled and hire another one million models.

It's simple... NO MATTER what you shoot.. a girl will NEVER act the same w/ a friend around as she would by herself.. that's a fact and u can take it to the Bank.

I give them references, they see past works, they can google me.. I tell them I shot over 200 models and I haven't killed anybody in the past 5 years...Yet * MUHHAAAHAHAHAHA*


They laugh and come over to suck my dick and fall in love with my southern charm and hospitality. I treat models as if they are my girlfriend for a few hours ( I listen to their dumbass stories with a smile)...the attention and kindness they receive, translates into cuteness, shyness, happiness and horniess..I get new girls no one has shot...half of the battle is total transparency. The model knows everything about me, before I book the ticket..then they become "intrigued" with working for me..I slam in the salami, bang I gotta another model looking to leave her hubby or dump her boyfriend just so she can stare in my soft blue eyes...I only pull out the full MAGIC when I know a girl can be a true money maker..because I still need to pimp this bitch for my money... if she likes me..oh my , how the money rolls in.

I also get model releases signed BEFORE shoot and I pay AFTER shoot

It also helps to have a big mainstream past...

**special note to photographers***
1. If u are fat..go to the gym
2. If you are old...act young
3. Buy clothes from this decade
4. watch MTV get to learn the lingo..relate to the models on their level
5. wash your ass dudes..I put vanilla baby powder on my balls..Im clean and girls like that
6. do not "adjust girls clothing" I only touch them after they touch me

7. Stop being a fucking creep and never force or command a model to do anything. My sets are fun and it shows..If a model feels she can't do what is required in the shoot..send her packing, simple..I always lay out everything I need them to shoot before I get the ticket..some girls change thier minds or feel guilty about BF..so that's cool They take a cab home, asap

8. A nice car really goes a long way..doesn't have to be totally expensive, just a cool car or truck..models get wet faster

9. GUM or TIC TACS ..always

10. steps 1-9, rinse and repeat
Reading your post, you come across as the kind of shooter who is in it to get laid (albeit paying for it) and not to make money. You would precisely be the person that a girl should have an escort with at every shoot.

Mr. E 01-07-2009 01:31 AM
I dont allow escorts, ever. In fact, I work with alot of agency models who would be dropped or in alot of trouble for bringing somenone along to a shoot. Its only been recently with these internet girls playing model that escorts have even become an issue. Real models working for agencies come alone. Here are 2 fantastic reasons you shouldnt allow escorts either, both of these happened to a friend of mine.

Model shows up with escort friend who drove her. He spent an hour setting up, she spent 2 hours getting ready and another 90 min driving to the shoot. 15 min after they show up, the escort's mother calls and tells her that her 10 month old baby was having a severe allergic reaction and needed to be taken to the hospital. So because they drove together, bye bye model, no shoot and alot of wasted time.

Another time model brings b/f who is standing over his shoulder while he shoots taking pics on a point and shoot they brought. Then everytime the photographer has to make minor adjustments to the lights or his camera, model runs over to sit on b/f's lap and kiss him.

If any model questions why I dont allow escorts, I tell them to contact one of the hundreds of other models I have shot for a refference. If thats not good enough, they can shoot with someone else, end of story.

ExLust 01-07-2009 01:45 AM
As long "escorts" don't ruin the shoot. Model should put into consideration that shooters needs focus.

fuzebox 01-07-2009 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 15279727)
Why are you arguing without having a leg to stand on?
Now that's just funny :1orglaugh

After Shock Media 01-07-2009 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 15292124)
Now that's just funny :1orglaugh
Few will even get it and I really think it was also accidental by Paul. Would of been better if on purpose, but well I can not associate him with a sense of humor.


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