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i have done both, it really kinda depends on the model.
if she is new, a little insecure and i can hear she is relatively professional then i have no problem with them bringing a friend. if i feel they might be trouble i tell them that they can drop off the model, come inspect the place but they cant stay as i do not want to be responsible for any "lost items"from the room they would be waiting in. generally speaking i would always recommend a model to bring a friend along, at least until they develop a pool of trusted photographers to work with.. |
What many here don't realise is what works for one shooter in one location does not work for another shooter in another location. I don't know Simon but I agree with all his The secret of simon rules except one. Never had a problem adjusting a girls clothes, putting her in the right position or touching her. Met other shooters who I would not like to touch me, let alone a girl.
In fact not touching a girl is totally creepy if the girl is in the wrong position, has her clothing wrong and you're not able to communicate to her what is right. If you can't just walk over and put it right without her thinking you're a creep you have a problem. And she will notice it. If you're the right guy with the right approach you can get away with tons of stuff that the girls like. In fact they feel more appreciated if you do. I tell girls there's no film in the camera, never have sold my work, a total pervert doing this to look at naked women and can not be trusted from the start. They think I'm kidding and relax. I also tell them this is porn and I expect them to act differently than they would punching the till in the local super market, I also tell them I will treat them like a porn model and not a supermarket check out girl. In fact I don't have to tell them anything, my approach and attitude tells them everything. And that's the key. It's not what you do the girls pick up on, it's who you are that influences what they think of you. It's not down to the model, it's about the shooter. A bad model with a bad attitude should not be working. |
Here's another thought. Who watches the escort while he's sitting in the next room?
Maybe you have a make up artist you can trust, maybe like me staff, but do I want him or her sitting in the office? Maybe he can sit outside and she will worry about how long it's taking and if he's getting bored. No this is porn and if you want to earn in a day what your sister earns in a month you have to accept it's not the same kind of job. The problem is today too many shooters think it is. In the 30+ years shooting I have never ever encountered more un professional, poorly taught and fake models as today. That's because they're in front of guys who think they should treat a porn model on $1,000 a scene the same as they treat the check out girl in a super market. This is the Golden Rules all porn girls should learn. You are only here because men like to fuck attractive girls and you're an attractive girl men like to fuck. Don't blame us if we think you're hot. If you weren't you would not be here. And you would be earning in a month what you will earn today, tomorrow, next week, next month and if you're still hot in a years time and guys still want to fuck you, still be earning in a years time. The door is not locked and you're in no danger, but you're hot so don't blame me. The real problem is creeps who try to act like non creeps. |
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The real problem is when people lure models in saying one thing and then trying to surprise them or have them do other things when they actually get there. Then trouble starts, bad things get spread etc. |
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Have you ever thought you can't do what I can do when you're shooting? Like I said there are more un professional girls around today than there has ever been. Because of all the unprofessional shooters. Maybe you have a problem with models that I don't. |
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And seeing as Eva fell in love with me when she was 20, I was 47, we are still together 11 years later, still happy and still very much in love. It's obvious what you and After Shock Media think of me is irrelevant. And only a fool would think it matters. It's what the model thinks of you on a casting and shoot that counts. Not what a few post board warriors think. Only they think their opinion counts in effecting a model. Some think posting proof girls don't think you're a creep is proof you are. :1orglaugh |
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I know I cant do what you do shooting. Would not even begin to think it, and why would I? I am sure somewhere in your head you would want or expect others to think that way or compare maybe but no, what you do does not even enter my head outside of threads you post on here. Is there more unprofessional girls around today than before? Not really sure as I have not worked with them all. I rarely have problems myself. I would also reason to think there are perhaps a hundred or more models entering each day in comparison to the number that was entering the business a decade ago and more than likely five hundred time or more when going back fifteen or twenty years - So I really think it would average out. |
And that's the proof that there is no golden rules, other than this is porn and you have to accept to earn the money.
If ADG and AFS acted like me maybe they could not get away with it, maybe they have a way that works for them that would not work for me. In the 30 years I've been shooting I've shot stars at the top of their game, newbies who went to the top to average girls who never got past a casting. I never changed my approach or rules for any of them. My rules fit me. And they fit me well enough to of married a girl who came on a casting and dated a few of the girls I shot. Maybe some shooters are so edgy on a shoot they are in danger of putting a girl off, maybe with some shooters an escort is the best way, maybe some shooters are best not touching a girl and maybe with others the girl is relaxed and never dreams she needs and escort. Or thinks twice if the shooter moves her into the correct position. Shooting porn is not a "paint by numbers" job. It needs the personality of the shooter to take control of the situation and effect the outcome. Sometimes that is an easy and positive thing, seeing some of the replies here it's obvious others have problems. And yes over the years I've had to change as I get older, but not a lot. |
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Glad to know that myself and ADG are suddenly post board warriors though. Especially when making posts on topic and in a business orientated thread and we just happen to dissagree with you and your "rules". |
I think there were more unprofessional girls years ago than now. Maybe the girls you deal with aren't mature enough to show up prepared for a shoot, but most of the ones I've run into lately have been consistently on time and professional. It might be because I work in Porn Valley where it's a job for these girls, not a quick buck because they've already gone through taking the plunge into adult. Don't get me wrong, there's always the complete hooker out of the bunch so watch out. But when I was shooting back in 2004-2005, there was a way higher cancellation rate due to the girl than there is now.
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Whether there are more models around or not I think depends on where you are and what you're shooting. I never brought up the numbers, I was talking about how professional the models were. Why did you bring up numbers? Why are you arguing without having a leg to stand on? I'm finished with you. |
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I never had a leg to stand on anyways, that is pointless to even bring up. You have been shooting much longer than I. I have less than 20 years of experience doing it, getting close to 19 if I recall correctly. I only brought up numbers to go with your thoughts that there are more unprofessional girls today than before in the past. The numbers was just a way to say percentage wise I doubt the number that are professional versus those that are not has not changed or may have actually gone down due to there being so many more models today than there was 10, 20, and 30 years ago. |
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Fuck no spectators, they can steal things when I'm not looking that's my main concern.
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I dont allow escorts, ever. In fact, I work with alot of agency models who would be dropped or in alot of trouble for bringing somenone along to a shoot. Its only been recently with these internet girls playing model that escorts have even become an issue. Real models working for agencies come alone. Here are 2 fantastic reasons you shouldnt allow escorts either, both of these happened to a friend of mine.
Model shows up with escort friend who drove her. He spent an hour setting up, she spent 2 hours getting ready and another 90 min driving to the shoot. 15 min after they show up, the escort's mother calls and tells her that her 10 month old baby was having a severe allergic reaction and needed to be taken to the hospital. So because they drove together, bye bye model, no shoot and alot of wasted time. Another time model brings b/f who is standing over his shoulder while he shoots taking pics on a point and shoot they brought. Then everytime the photographer has to make minor adjustments to the lights or his camera, model runs over to sit on b/f's lap and kiss him. If any model questions why I dont allow escorts, I tell them to contact one of the hundreds of other models I have shot for a refference. If thats not good enough, they can shoot with someone else, end of story. |
As long "escorts" don't ruin the shoot. Model should put into consideration that shooters needs focus.
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