forget about drm being any kind of solution. the aebn watermark is on a lot of tube videos & what Shap says about customers and drm is entirely accurate. even vod sites are going flash now.

the solution is to work to change the DMCA, while policing your content. only a change to the legal free pass tube sites get now will make a difference over the long haul.

I agree with you 100% on that. I do everything myself, so the sites are very basic. I am working on some new layouts and ideas. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

No more cross sales will happen eventually imo.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for porn without CC.

Btw it has nothing to do with a processor allowing it or not. When you own the processor you can do whatever you want. These guys aren't using ccbill and epoch to run their fraud.

I give my best in everything I do. It made a difference in sales and them staying.

What I dont understand is we have had so much innovation in our industry. Why a bullet proof drm never came out of that.The person who did that well and made in affordable would be very rich.

To clarify - I was saying that the use of a credit card equals age verification. You have to be 18 or older to own a credit card.

The most important thing is when someone clicks JOIN take them to the join. I would make that one of your priorities.
I go to bootie movies. Click join then get a pic that says click here to join all sites, then i go to pecker movies and have to click again. too many clicks. Cut down on that and it should add sales to your bottom line almost instantly.

Also, you preview trailers are dated. 1.2 meg trailer was ok in 2001. Make your trailers 640x480 (hopefully your members area video is that size as well) and at least 5 to 10megs in size. you'll see a HUGE HUGE jump in conversions.

I know. I still wouldn't hold my breath :winkwink:

Personally I feel innovation slowed in our industry about 5 years ago. I have a few theories as to why that happened but at the end of the day we have definitely become a fat lazy industry.

All of the membership videos are at least 640x480, and many are now 720x480 as well. I hope to offer higher resolution clips later this year, but you are correct - my preview clips are all at half size.

I will take your advise Shap, on a number of the points you are making. I thank you again (for real) for your constructive criticism and suggestions.

No problem :winkwink: It's usually small things that make a big difference.

I like the boobs on your site :thumbsup

Thanks man!

Are the adult.com sites still DRMed?

It's too bad more people don't say this.

Software companies sue people for piracy... Judge says adapt or die bitch!

Got your car stolen? Police laugh and say adapt or die bitches!

Someone steals your money and try to sue them? Judge says adapt or die bitch!

I would still really love to have someone show me some examples of how everything naturally moves towards being free. And no, linking to a 2 year old article in Wired doesn't count.

Where is all this free shit? I pay more for every single thing than I did 10 years ago.

10 years ago I had maybe 1 or 2 non-essential monthly bills. Now I have like 20.

10 years ago I had a blockbuster card. Now I have a blockbuster card, a netflix membership, I buy shows from itunes. Where the fuck is all this free shit everyone seems so convinced the market is moving towards?

Show me examples where valuable content turned free and was a huge success.

I'm a prick to people who have been a prick to me....

But now that we have decided for me to keep my black mouth shut, make sure that you keep your white hole shut when it comes to me and you will never get a harsh comment from me again.

wwe.com's video-on-demand service (think it's called WWE 24/7) uses a flawless DRM.

What the fuck did I ever say to you in the first place bitch? Show me a thread where I came after you without being provoked?

How about your bandwidth?

Very niche product and their success doesn't change the reality of our situation. If I start using DRM a very significant percentage of my members will switch to another paysite that doesn't. I worked too hard to get those members to just push them out the door now.

Btw thanks for mentioning them. I'm going to check it out and see what they are doing ;)

That's true, it is a very specific niche, and to add to that it's one of their most profitable divisions right now (as a shareholder I get to listen in on WWE quarterly calls). When I last used it maybe a year ago though, it worked great for me (even with a lame costa rican connection).

I agree though for a paysite it might turn away visitors, who aren't willing to deal with it, unless all major paysites start adapting it so people come to get used to it and see it as the new standard. Easier said than done, I know :winkwink:

For a paysite then I'd say the best way would have to be encrypted streaming, which while it can be beaten, is less likely to be stolen by tubes who don't want the hassle, they just want to grab stuff quickly and easily. Just make sure the option you use beats the popular 'stream recorders' like Replay Media Catcher.

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Agreed. The big thing that we deal with is that a lot of our members are collectors. They like to collect the videos and photos of the model. They have a specific organization system on their computer and acquiring and saving as much content of their favorite girls as possible is very important for them. DRM, Streaming etc deny them that satisfaction. I think every paysite is different however in our situation limiting members use of our content isn't an option.

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people are not webmasters, do not run any sites, do not upsell any sites, have no traffic sites, etc etc etc, all they do is bitch.. clueless about what works n ideas that fail...

people who pay for porn, will always pay for porn..

people who download free porn, will always get their free porn..

if you stop screwing the surfers with false tour ads, prechex, etc... then they will continue to pay... or else you lose them to the free crowd


:2 cents:

That would put you in a very hard spot I agree...I wouldn't see any other options than legal, which currently, I don't see doing anything and don't see that changing anytime soon. All tube owners will hide behind the "ISP - user uploaded content" claim and even if they couldn't, chances are they would simply move their hosting/operations offshore where they'd be untouchable.

http://www.mininova.org/sub/127

there is already an entire catagory on mininova dedicated to wwe matches and content

and there are like 1/2 a dozen really good private trackers dedicated to wrestling content. so it is not as flawless as he thinks it is.

This doesn't mean it was recorded from their DRM'd 24/7 service though. Users stream WWE TV live on stuff like justin.tv, tons of people record the shows on DVR/PVR, people rip DVDs or even VHS containing the matches, etc...

Classified ads - there's no need now to buy an ad in a big newspaper or Buy n Sell type newspaper to sell your car, furniture, musical instruments etc. Craigslist and other sites like it work as well and are free.

Daily newspaper - who subscribes to a daily newspaper these days? A helluva lot less than 10 years ago.

Music? Digital downloading killed off the good ol' 'record store'. Itunes is replacing them but the record companies and artists are making less.

Movies? TV programs? You may be using Netflix but there are tons of people I know who download brand new in the theater movies off the Net for free.

Porn - used to have to actually go into a store and pay 10 bucks for a skin mag or rent an XXX video for 5 bucks a night rental.

Software - hundreds of places on the Net where u can get anything you want for free.

Dating services - yes in major cities there are/were real dating services - Plentyoffish and other dating sites with real women not fake profiles are there for free.

PPV TV events - if you're ok watching a Flash video stream of lesser quality you'll find it on the Net.

Other than hard goods everything can be had for free on the Net. And as for hard goods - people can find the absolute rock bottom low price and order it off the Net. Just go to stores, find the products you like - then go online and find it for 30-50% less somewhere online.

Ok bitch, here ya go....In this thread here http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/877147-dear-playboy-com-2.html

In that thread, where I DID NOT provoke you and was just participating in the discussion, I said.

Then you come at me UNPROVOKED with

So if you don't like pricks, stop being one. :2 cents: And like I said before, keep your white hole shut to me and I'll keep my black mouth shut to you from now on.

You sort of missed my point. I said name a situation where content is produced, then given away for free which has been a "success".

Classified ads don't count. The newspaper example is the exact opposite, they put their content on the web and newspapers are dropping like flies. Revenue down 50% or more from a year ago. The profits generated from the web don't come close to making up that gap. The rest of the examples you used are all cases of bootlegging, not a business evolution towards free.

He may have missed your point but he understood my point 100%

Well, feel free to post examples of this evolution towards free that has worked out.

I'm not arguing this for the sake of the adult industry, in fact, I'll bet anyone a $100 the large illegal tubes will change drastically before the end of 2009.

It's just a pet peeve of mine when people jump on the free bandwagon when it really has yet to be proven yet people speak of it as gospel.

By the way, I respect you and Mutt very much, so no argument here, just debate :)

I think the important thing is it never reaches free but pushes towards it. I think Bandwidth is the best example. A few years ago webmasters paid >$1000 then >$100 per mb. Then down to >$50 then $30 and now most people are <$10.

Same goes for memory and hard drive space.

Here's the thing - nothing I said there wasn't true. If you don't want people mentioning that you shoot crack whores, then stop shooting them. What it takes to shoot your content and what it takes to shoot my content is 180 degrees from each other. I thought your comments in that thread were a joke. It's like comparing oranges to apples. The skills that it takes to edit your content -vs- what it takes to edit content for a magazine like Playboy are completely different. If you can't see that...then all the booze & weed is starting to get to ya' man....seriously!

Hell man, even YOU call them crack whores....:1orglaugh

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So let me get this right....you shoot crack ho's, you agree that you shoot crack ho's, you even call them crack ho's...but you get upset with me when I call them crack ho's? Am I missing something here?

i kinda did miss your point - this industry can NOT be profitable giving away the content for free and relying on ad and other revenue to make up the cost of producing/purchasing the content and then into the black.

i see what's going on - i see the changes at Pornhub and other tubes. Pornhub is where it is today, millions of viewers a day, for one reason - content theft. They can go 'premium' now, they can get rid of every stolen/copyright infringing video on that site and it won't change the fact they did it all on the backs of hundreds of other copyright owners. They are vermin, I don't care how clever they are, I don't care how successful they are. They led the charge into this shit and every last webmaster can look at them and say 'you fucked me over, you took food out of my kids mouth, you cost me business that I will never recover'.

BigTits.com from what I see is a legit tube site itself, short clips mostly, longer scenes look like crappy DVD content i'm sure they've licensed or bought - I do see them trading traffic with Pornhub.

DVD licensors who allow for complete scenes to be used on free tube sites are just complete idiots - but they did it to themselves before with AVS, FHG's so it's not surprising they're dropping their pants to get ass raped again.

I'm not going to argue with you over and over again....I don't give a fuck if you call them crack ho's.....The point is that a crack ho's ass doesn't have any different angles on it than a glam babe...and the surfer still needs to look at an ass to get horny, whether or not it's crack hoes or glam....

This is because I'm a PORNOGRAPHER first and a photographer second....You are the other way around....

Your drivel now tires me.

DRM is dead in Adult. Trust me, I sold DRM system for 7 years in Adult.

Jay
objectcube.com

Yes...I agree!

Cheers!