Rise above them Dean, and use the ignore function. You know you have talent.

But I am. OK maybe I missed the idea that will turn it around for the industry, maybe I don't think it will work for the industry. But I will listen and will reply.

This I do know. For the industry to go your model, taking a single girl and producing a site of her, is a non starter. The reasons are many but the underlying reason is there are not enough girls worth signing up exclusive who will generate enough money to pay her what she would earn non exclusive. Plus few webmasters would want to put their business into the hands of models.

Don't tell me about the few sites that make it work, most of those guys can't afford to open another exclusive contract girl site. They've asked me how much and I tell them what the girls earns free lance. THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.

Putting different girls into a site on live web cam could work though. Maybe making the membership experience more than just a way to watch videos is a route to take.

Locking down content is a joke and I doubt if it could be done and I know that a lot of sites will not do it and DVD content is still in the shops.

Thanks for answering mrfrisky.

Robbie and Far-L explained it. All they missed was after getting the guy in court and spending a fortune to get there the Tube site will claim exemption under DMCA and your money is lost. This is assuming the guy is in the US and taking down content when you notify him.

The actual fact that people can suggest lawyers and lock down as solutions to Tubes, after 2 years, is a testament to how little they understand the legal process and business. Many sponsors will not spend a couple of hundred dollars a month to get Remove Your Content, spending thousands a month on lawyers is not going to happen.

Yes getting Remove Your Content to hound them with DMCA's is good, but not the solution as they will use content from other sites. So they stay in business and keep taking members away.

And that's the real problem. Members going to Tubes prefer Tubes to us. To win them back we have to make them prefer us to Tubes. It's simple to say but takes hard work and investment to achieve. Here's what is needed.

Better content inside the members area. Yes they will still try to steal it, but protecting it is worth while. Stop thinking that content is something anyone can produce and start respecting the product that brings people to you to spend money.

Make members areas more than just an easy way to download/view videos. That's what Tubes are. Give them free webcam, dating, live chat and make the members area more of a club feeling. Will not appeal to everyone but can be done.

Price and membership packages need to be more flexible to suit the members needs and not ours. If I want a 30 minute jerk off tonight I will not join a 30 day membership to get it. I might take a 3 day membership though. Or I will find a site that gives what I need and not what they need.

The days of forcing surfers to buy are gone, we now have to start real marketing and selling. Spending 30% on getting thousands of people to a site and 5% on converting and keeping them are over. You know what I mean so no flaming the figures. We spend too much on "free loaders" and not enough on "customers".

Often the problem is the haters know they don't have his talent.

Here are some tips to making the members areas more worth joining.

Add more content. If you have to shoot it yourself then you have to, if you can't afford to then you have a problem.

Make the content better and different from the thousands of other scenes being offered on Tubes. Tell models you will not accept faked scenes, faked moaning, faked orgasms and chat that's boring. Most guys who buy porn are over 35 and do not want to pay for something that is obviously faked. Do a casting and tell the girls it's for your own site and you can't sell faked content, customers don't want it.

Think of a scenario that is more inventive and more than a "girl on a sofa". Make the start of the scene mean something and when the sex starts remind the viewer of why they're fucking or doing what ever. And then make it about what the models are feeling and less about genitalia. I don't want to see her pussy all the way through. I want to see her cumming for real and screaming at the camera for me to join her. And it needs to be real.

If you can't do that you can't shoot porn. And yes you can vary it around to your style. Dean will shoot it a different way to BVF and I will shoot it different to them.

Because the days of shooting content on the basis we are today are over. The biggest problem in surfing Tubes for porn is finding good porn on them. Most of it is bad porn. Sell good porn and more will stay.

There are more ways to keep people signing and keeping them when they have signed and we're guilty of faking some of our scenes. Eva needed to kick a few out. LOL

If you add DRM and lose 20% of members but rebills increase by 30%, and conversions by 15% because your content isn't everywhere, then what have you lost?


Think about the flipside of the numbers before you worry about 'pissing off' some of the members.


The fear of 'pissing off' members has always been a problem in the industry. The buck has to stop somewhere.

but if you lost 40% of your members but rebills increase by only 15% and our conversion goes up by 10% you will lose money.

pulling numbers out of your ass is not a good way to do business. You need to know what the consequences of your change before you make it.

Is fucking the tubes similar to a fleshlight? I haven't tried either.

http://www.slideshare.net/gleonhard/...ype=powerpoint

or you could just shift your business model to leverage the "piracy"

95% of them are going under... that's fine... but the rules of money still apply in adult as it does the rest of the world. 2% of the industry make 98% of the money. So the big tube sites are making money, and the little ones go away... doesn't really help the legit content producers.

i wuz hereee

No, it's not a joke. It's very real and can be done with a little work. And yes, a lot of sites won't do it. I was one of those old school guys that thought with the mindset of the past. But once I saw my sales decline and my hard work being used to make thieves money on torrent sites....well, that made me think in terms of what can be done today.

I searched, I looked high and low. And encrypted streaming DOES work. It's not a joke. And if some of the "bigger" sites did it, I would be making a whole lot more money as an affiliate. As it stands now, I'm making a lot more money as a paysite owner.

The solution I had was NOT about a single girl site. There is absolutely no reason that ANY site can't go to encrypted streaming using FMS. The only hold up is the fear of losing millions of dollars in rebills through a mass exodus of pissed off members.

I thought that would happen to me too. It didn't. And since the entire site is no longer available for FREE on a torrent site, our memberships actually have value and mean something.

I'll say it one more time. This is not a theory. I'm not some new guy to the biz. I've been a player as an affiliate for as long as there have been affiliates. I know both traffic and content. I have instituted encrypted streaming and it DOES work.

How much more real of an answer could anybody ask for? I'm on the front line doing it. Everybody else is just guessing and making theories. :)

I don't hate you...You're just an avatar on gfy that I trolled a few times for shits and giggles..Neither of our customer bases gives a fuck....So basically I'm indifferent...

And no, I wasn't offended.

TORRENTS, REPRESENT AT LEAST 80% of the online porn Illegal downloads, via azureus, and file sharing via RapidShare, depositfiles, etc.

Tubes are NOTHING when you compare them with TORRENTS and File Sharing via forums. I repeat, Tubes are nothing in comparisson to Torrents and File Sharing. More than 90% of the webmasters have the inverse picture there and subestimate torrents and rapidshare links via forums.. And over estimate tubies.

Since most people in the biz have no fucking idea about this, then we are FAR AWAY from even TRY to solve the problem.

I don't get it...
you spider legal tube sites and steal their content, which costs them traffic $ but doesn't get them advert $, but you're not willing to do the same thing to the ones stealing content from the studios?

you've lost me...

...this thread may be way past this point, but you can still video screencapture anything that is not downloadable, and make it downloadable.

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yes, most people are lost.. most people do not promote programs.. most people have not seen members areas.. most people have not even been members of sites.. they just like to rant LOL

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Agreed. It is why they no longer have a studio. I emailed them three years ago about their stuff being all over the torrents and got an email saying that they were aware of it. They are the most pirated of all the big internet companies.