He's just putting icing on the cake. Eat up bitch.

We'll be lucky if the US still exists in 2 more years, nevermind 8.

Depends on which way you swing. Obama is on the side of conquer and divide no matter how he portrays himself. I'm on the side of everyone makes their own choices in life. You don't have to pick sides because your blood is just as red as mine. We all just want to fuckin live our lives. But there are people who want to control our lives and thats the problem.

Sorry divide and conquer. Have had way too much to drink.

Have you ever visited Chicago, or heard anything about the state of politics there (since when like FOREVER)? Since he's from a Senator from Illinois that might give you some idea :1orglaugh

Seriously though. However things turn out, it will have very little to do with the President unless the nukes start flying or something close happens. The President is only there to take more heat or credit than he deserves depending which way the wind blows (except for a very rare few and in very rare historical moments).

I'd say the same thing... hahaha

obama isnt a very good first name, its not even Barack's first name, not sure why anyone would name their kid "obama" though, pretty dumb

US will be in Australia :1orglaugh

The way he talks when on camera he really plays the part of someone who is in complete command of all things government. So you're saying it's all a facade?

:D

Just his 2nd full day in office and he's signed executive orders to close Guantanamo, close the CIA's "secret prisons" around the world, and banned torture and the harshest interrogation techniques.

Also, his AG designate said under oath that waterboarding is indeed torture and therefore illegal....a question Mukasey and Gonzales wouldn't even answer.

I think opinions of the U.S. around the world have already gone up substantially, and it's only day 2. :thumbsup

They have to give a little to take a lot. For the first few weeks maybe even a month or two they'll make everyone believe he's doing everything right. Then slap us all with a whale. Watch and see. King Obama says it's the thing to do so we should do it. It will be sold as the only way out when it's really not. The worlds financial systems are collapsing for a reason. Because it's being designed that way.

Yes I've noted all that. My question was what do you see it being like at the end of his 2nd term (assuming he gets one)

I love conspiracy theories. Tell us more, please. I want to hear based on the above what you see things like in N America 8 years from now.

:thumbsup

I've already written an answer to that on the first page, the last post was just a follow up based on what he'd done in his second full day.

I would think things will be alot better around here at the end of his second term if he gets one....because in order to get a second term things will have to better around here 4 years from now.
It doesn't seem that likely that things will be alot better 4 years from now and then he drives the bus off the cliff in his 6th year....so if he gets a 2nd term it's most likely because he's doing a good job.

Same reason people name their kids Roosevelt?

These idiots always have something to say. Just replace the names with whatever is currently in the news and something big is happening and we are being lead down the path to destruction, blah blah. When it doesn't happen, they just apply it to the next thing coming down the line. I used to find conspiracy theories interesting but the people who follow them, believe them I have found to be total losers.

US will become part of China, since they will buy US out for the trade deficit...
Dollar will no longer be strongest currency in the world...
....
and mostly nobody gives a shit anyway...

I'll reserve any further comment until after Harper makes his budget announcement. :1orglaugh I'm sure you're going to love it. In the mean time I suggest this video

The Gig is Up.

No theories. It's all conspiracy.

Here's a few others for you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74362583451279

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19560256183936

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19765816415310

I don't get anything out of trying to educate people of whats really going on while they sit around with their thumbs up their ass but I do it anyway. Just trying to redirect traffic from dumb who is following dumber.

But who is dumber, the guy who swallows the conspiracy theories whole (and possibly chokes on them), or the one who takes small bites?

I'm an I'll believe it when I see it kind of guy, not a "some conspiracy-spouting nick on a board called GoFuckYourself said to so I believe it" kind of guy.

Which leads me to wonder, if that's true, why it didn't apply to Bush.

Oh wait, Bush winning his 2nd term in spite of a terrible approval rating was all part of onewebcam's conspiracy. :D

If you didn't watch even one of the videos your a complete waste of time. If you did and you still don't even somewhat understand it then take your pick. You can be dumb or dumber.

People don't like to change leaders in the middle of a war.

Iraq didn't become a quagmire (or at least the public wasn't aware of how bad things were) until after the election.

If the election had been 6 months later, Kerry would have won by a landslide, even though he wasn't a very appealing candidate. :2 cents:

What would be the point?

I watched 9/11 loose change and it raised alot of questions in my mind. I thought something fishy was going on.

Then 6 months later I watched some guys from popular mechanics totally own the loose change guys.

In the youtube age, anyone can make a documentary style film that looks credible, and there are all kinds of idiots who will take that information as gospel and crusade around the web with it.

That's why it's more important now than it ever has been, to be careful what sources you trust. Stick with ones that follow true journalistic standards such as truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability.

If what you're reading or watching wouldn't even last a day on wikipedia because it doesn't meet their standards for reliable sources and citations, then it's probably not true. :2 cents:

The popular mechanics crap is made for tv disinfo. The point is what I'm telling you is REAL facts that can't be denied because it IS our history. It's the real deal. You won;t see this stuff on TV because the TV stations in the US are OWNED by the same people who control you via your money. The Money Masters video was made 10 years ago. It tells you what is happening right now. Do you think they are predicting shit or do you think they are looking at real history and real events and telling you what is/was going to happen. It's in the history books. The people admit it themselves in their own books. It can't be denied. This isn't a theory. It's real fucking life.

I'm not going to get into 9-11 discussion. It's not important right now. The important thing is that people need to know whats really going on within our financial system.

The guys who made the loose change video were present and allowed to opportunity to defend their own work.
Made for TV disinfo doesn't allow real debate in the light of day....it's funny that you would call it that because most of the sources you use for information are just made up stuff and only present one flimsy side of the story.

Those guys couldn't defend their work because it wasn't based on any hard evidence or scientific fact and it crumbled under close scrutiny.

The same is true for most of the conspiracy crap you and your ilk believe.

Yeah I'm sure all the TV stations and newspapers and radio stations in the world are owned by people who are "in on it", and that's why only 5 or 6 guys in the world are willing to come forward and tell us the truth. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm not going to do this any longer with you, it's like wrestling with a pig in the mud. All that happens is I get muddy, and the pig likes it.

The US will be unrecognizable compared to today.

We will never be able to pay off the debt that gets built up over the next 4-8 years either.

Here's a good tune for that comment. :thumbsup



Only now it's 1 trillion and he's looking at adding more to it.

he's actually got a good point.

see, the elephant puppet fucks you in the ass for a few years, while
the donkey puppet keeps telling you he wouldn't.
so then you tell the puppeteer to put on the donkey puppet,
which then fucks you in the ass for a few years while the elephant
puppet keeps telling you he wouldn't.

since nobody remembers a damn thing earlier than two weeks ago, the system works wonderfully.

I agree very much with what you said. Except for the part I highlighted. The West needs to realise that service industries, banking, insurance and shops will never put right the economic policies of the last 30 years. We all buy in too much from the Third, Second World and Arab nations to get back to a good economic situation. They will realise that lending us the money so we can buy their goods will only work if they use the loans to buy our countries. Yes they will slowly but surely buy us up if we carry on down this road.

Trade needs to be a two way street, we buy $1 worth from you and you buy $1 worth from us. We can't rely on the service type industries I mentioned or technology to keep the balance of payments level. We need to be making goods China, India, Russia, Saudi and a few other places need to buy to get the economy right again.

For 30 years we have been fooled into thinking all was good because we could go to the mall and fill our basket with cheap imported goods while our houses and stocks sky rocketed in value. Welcome to the time to pay the bill.

Can Obama change it?

Not until we realise it's us that needs to change things and he can't without our help.

If you think I'm wrong look at what the West's money has done to these countries that are now lending it back to us.

Good video and shows the problem. But does it show the reason for the problem?

For the last 30 years the West has dreamed it was the top dog by some sort of right. We looked down on the rest of the world as some place to provide us with cheap goods while we sold them our vastly superior technical goods. Well that dream is now being exposed as a dream.

The truth is different. We sent jobs to Mexico, Taiwan and China so we could buy the goods cheaper than we could make them ourselves. And we employed the people who lost their jobs in shops selling those goods, or banks, insurance companies and other service industries.

But it all worked, we were getting lower taxes paid for by increased debt, a bribe to keep us voting for them, and we were all shopping like there was no problem. Welcome to the real world where there are no free lunches.

We now have to pay for all those free lunches, so don't blame anyone but ourselves for swallowing the dream we were something special because we were American, English, etc. Truth is we now owe the under dogs a small fortune.

Will borrowing more get us out of the hole we dug for ourselves? Not if we give it back in tax cuts. Because all that will do is send more people to more malls to buy more Chines T Shirts or coffer percolators. Which is why they loan it to us in the first place.

that video lost me at the line,
"will make economic slaves out of our children."

yeah, that's about to start soon.
hasn't been going on since i was born or nothing.
it's gonna happen cause of obama alone.

This post shows you the problem. Anyone who thinks Obama caused this is a fool. Sorry mate but it's true.

We are to blame by giving ourselves a life style we could not afford and had to borrow from the countries we are now in hock to to support. We are to blame for voting for Governments based on how little tax we would pay, even if the tax cuts were paid for with borrowed money. We are to blame for living the dream that we could send manufacturing jobs to places where workers earned $5 a day and still compete with them. We are to blame for buying those goods. We are to blame for not having Governments who would stick the thieves like the bosses of Enron and Maddorf in jail. Yes the guy that stole billions is sitting in his swanky apartment hiding his wealth while people who trusted his lies are having their homes taken away or living on a worthless pension.

Did you get that? We are to blame for where we are now and passing the blame to Obama is not the solution. We are to blame for thinking Obama is the solution.

What is the solution? Tax to fund people to go to University to learn the skills we need. You want to be a lawyer, tax accountant or doctor you pay for it with your taxes and you pay for the scientists and engineers who will make the goods to get us out of the hole.

We get people who would not be working, not paying taxes and costing us all money to work. Building the infrastructure of our countries. We stop thinking that the "Trickle Down" theory on wealth works. If it did we would not be where we are today. The problem is we need to stop thinking that greed is good.

We need to realise a boss earning $500,000 a year will keep of much of that money as possible and spend more abroad than someone on $25,000 a year. AND he will open a factory or call center in Malaysia and put out of work hundreds of workers in Detroit because he can make more money to keep.

We are in this position today because those people in Detroit now don't have jobs to buy his goods or service he moved to Malaysia. But no worries, he did not let too much trickle down and he's in his walled villa in the Bahamas.

You can't even get a job there, he's got Mexicans working because they're cheaper.

Seriously if you're 35 or younger it has been going on since you were born.

And anyone who thinks they can spend money better than the Government can look around them at the labels of where all the goods they have are made. That's how well we spent our money and the Governments just gave us what we wanted to get elected.

So don't blame them. Democracy is about getting what you vote for.

Don't tell me you believe that stupid shit.

End of an Age. Not the end of the world. Pisces to Aquarius. You missed the starting gun.

I've always thought we needed a special punctuation mark for sarcasm
if we had one, posts like yours would not be necessary.

Sorry if I thought your post was serious. Now you said it was sarcasm I understand it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most of the debt built up over the course of the Bush administration?

Seems to me I recall much of a large nat'l debt being paid off and under control during Clinton's watch. Of course money is going to have to be spent to bring about the "change" everyone keeps harping about but that shouldn't automatically mean the debt won't at least begin to be dealt with. We should all know by now it's going to take more than one or two terms of a new president to get it under reasonable control. Probably more like 20 terms of 10 presidents.

So you're predicting Obama will pull a "Bush" and increase the debt, and it will be that increase and not the existing debt racked up by the Bush admin that will bury the country?

Interesting take.

Nailed it dead nuts on, every point. (including the last one)