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That's an expensive place for wealthy suckers with money to burn. My only in office doctor visit with a world renowned anti-aging and men's health doctor cost me $200 and a r.t. plane ticket to Michigan. Testosterone is about $75/month, blood work once a year might add up to a few hundred bucks or less depending on your plan.

Robbie, you can get your meds legally with a prescription from a doctor for a very reasonable price. No need to go black market.

thanks for the advice sugar. i currently only take a daily vitamin for women and fish oils. i know there is more that my body needs, i can feel it.

Oh I know. I went to a doctor back about 5 years ago and was prescribed everything then. Then I found out that the U.S. is one of the only countries in the world where testosterone and hgh are illegal. Most places you can buy it over the counter (I do so everytime I'm in Mexico) like aspirin.

Then I found out that I can just get it from peeps in Europe. They just walk into a drugstore and buy it. No prescriptions needed. They double the cost and ship it to me. :)

And with them doubling the cost that they pay over the counter, it's still about 1/5th the price that the pharmaceutical companies charge you for getting it here with your prescription.

Just more of our govt. holding hands with lobbyists at work. Why do you think they made testosterone a controlled substance 20 years ago? There's gold in them hills that's why! LOL!

It is kinda strange to realize that a man from his teenage years to up about late 30's can walk around with tons of testosterone being produced in his body. But if a guy POSSESSES a vial of testosterone....then he it's just like having a pound of heroin :(

I have some ideas about what your body needs too heh-heh :Graucho

great post Robbie, that is the sad thing that is missed by people, how the government is eroding our freedoms all the time and the ones that are benefitting are huge drug companies

there is no reason for hgh to be expensive, and the government still tries to demonize it and harrass doctors that prescribe it and testosterone

the whole steroid bullshit that the government has pulled with the congress bs on baseball is all just another smokescreen and a huge waste of taxpayers money

here is a GREAT blog that documents all the stupidity and the lies and bullshit that is going on in the steroid and hgh world by the government and regulators, it is a must read for anyone that wants to know the truth and not the bullshit that the media usually reports: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/

i am a firm believer in not fucking with mother nature

you guys sound nuts to me

no offense

just thinking out loud

However i must say, if i could rub some on my cock and get it from 8 to 12 inches i'd try it, lol

i always wanted a horse sized dick

here is just one example of how a doctor that believes strongly in using HGH to treat some medical conditions has been stifled due to the government's ridiculous policies:

Hgh off label use remains illegal

so when you get a cavity in your tooth, do you stay away from the dentist too, because you believe in letting mother nature take her course? :1orglaugh etc etc etc

What is your base test score?

this video was posted here before but it is good in that it shows how quick and easy the hgh injection is:

Is this a cycle or HRT? If you're on permanent HRT you wouldn't need a PCT (since there is no post cycle).

Good luck, Jim Gunn and I have the same doctor, in MI - John Crisler. He is a top doc in his field and his prices are well worth his services.

Keep an eye on how you feel, that is one of the most important aspects of your regimine. Don't just listen to a doctor because he says "everything is within a normal range". You could be under or over sensitive to anything, so find the sweet spot with what makes YOU feel good and stays within range of course :)

Here's to a better quality of life! You will definitely notice the difference, even without the HGH.

I'm not saying to stick a needle in you, or to even visit a doctor regarding this stuff. But try to humbly approach this subject and do a little digging. Don't let the hack clinics out there give you the wrong idea about this type of treatment.

It may not be for you, but it may very well be (at some point in your life). To each his own! :thumbsup

good info folks, thx!

I'd just like to say to Robbie..
It sounds like CM had Insulin Resistance or even PCOS probably too.. (from watching the vids and seeing how she holds her weight)... I have the same problem but am in my early 20s... and I've probably spent about 20k in the last year just battling my testosterone being TOO high and fucking up everything..

But the one thing that gets it all into check.. is making sure I'm taking my proper birth control.. mixed with low carb.. and taking Metformin and Aldactone.. to eat any excess bad testosterone created...

And I feel her pain about regular doctors not understanding... I finally had to go to an Endo who specialized in PCOS... to get all my hormones under control.. and even now, if I put carbs back into my diet.. or don't keep my hormones straight.. or forget to take the pills.. the weight can come RIGHT back in almost no time..

And. on a side note..
Hubby doesn't produce testosterone... he's 44 now.. looks 25.. because he takes Androderm everyday of his life... so for those of you worrying about halting your organic production and being stuck on testosterone your whole life.. it's not that bad of a deal... Most of the people hubby went to school with WISH they looked as young as him... now if I could only get him into the gym working out with me.. we'd be golden. :)

does the androderm give him the sex drive of when he was 25, or just normal for 44?

Oh come one Robbie, how can that be right? $65 or $75/month is normal for a month's tube of gel testosterone. So with your math 1/5th of $75 is $15, and that is the doubled price. That means that your friends pick it up in Europe for less than $7 and double the price for you and ship it to you overseas too?

in his defence, he may have been quoted some marked up prices here, as it is common for many doctors and rejuv clinics to supply the drugs at a high price as part of their overall charges with monthly doctor fees or whatever

if you add it all up, if he was to self prescribe and medicate, I think it is completely possible that his total costs may come in at 1/5th of the price


there are even blood testing clinics hooked up with online centers that you can order your own blood tests if you want, the life extension foundation has a bunch www.lef.org

Are you doing P90X?

No, not using the gel. It's not nearly as effective as injections.
you can get 20 10 IU vials of HGH for $500

you can get a 1 ampule of testosterone for $8 an amp. According to what you buy you will be getting almost a cc and a half of 250mg/ml of test in that one dose. Intramuscular and very effective. Using one a week that would under $500 for a years worth of test.

edit: those are black market prices

second edit: I bought some test over the counter at the drugstore of the airport in cancun for $3 an ampule

i'm doing a customized version of that, yes. using weights instead of the calisthenics.
i've been doing weight training only for a little over 3 months now and we ramped up with this new workout a little over a week ago, so the plyo, kenpo, cardio and yoga are new to me. so far it's a major increase in exercise and a serious ass kicker, esp. the plyo and the yoga. my appetite is throught the roof, but i find myself craving the good foods, lot's of vegetables and salmon, etc. even looking forward to and devouring salad!

are you using it? how's that working out for you?

other than for the few who the gel simply does not work for (that 10%) my understanding is the problem with the gel being ineffective is due to not being applied properly, either not rubbed in vigoursly enough or rinsed off or missing a dosage.

unless the person is looking for cycle type results, and not just hrt, in which case the injections would for sure be more effective


but as for hrt even, for sure there is a difference in the way the drugs are metabolized though, gel tends to create more dht and less estrogen, injections vice versa

Jim

Is this the the Dr you see http://www.allthingsmale.com/index.htm ? I plan on seeing him this summer once I move to MI.

Jay

never EVER, have I heard of topical being effective. But, then again once you hit 35-ish years old your test levels drop at a faster rate each year..So maybe, just maybe itll work for him. Younger guys and girls(and butch) will not see/feel a difference. Maybe an irritated, sometimes itching sensation on your inner leg because of the alcohol. bleh my :2 cents:

Yeah, but I'm not cycling...just using it to keep my levels good. And when I first tried testosterone 8 years ago, the doctor told me to use injections. But I cried and whined about it because I was scared of needles. So for a year I used the cream and then when it was released as a gel (Androgel) I used it.

But every bodybuilder type that I knew at the gym was calling me a pussy and told me flat out that if you injected directly into the glute you would see a huge difference.

At that point I went back to the doc and he told me I would be much happier with it injected. He gave me my first one there, and he was right! Didn't hurt and within a few weeks I was feeling like a new man. I'm glad I got over my fear of needles.

And I'll tell you something else...my neck and both arms were badly broken in an auto accident in 2002. I was in ICU for a month and when I finally woke up I was so physically destroyed it wasn't even funny. The doctors told me I might not be able to walk again and I definitely would NEVER play guitar again.

The accident was on May 12, I got out of the hospital with a hard neck brace and two full length arm casts the first week of June. I met up with my drug dealer the day afterwards and got 4 10 ml vials of tesosterone.

I was back in the gym the day the armcasts came off (neck still in a brace) I never went to a physical therapist...I did it all myself in the gym.

And the first week of August I was back onstage playing guitar in a rock band.

Proper levels of testosterone + a strong will can perform miracles. :thumbsup

Damn, you're a machine!

When you say he looks 25, are you talking face? If so, that is remarkable.

Facial aging is caused by loss of collagen and elastin under the skin.

Can testosterone or HGH really reverse this or do you think his appearance is more about genetics?

hgh helps with collagen and ellastin, but I think prevention is always easier than reversal

You dont know shit about his subject so stfu. Test and Growth are not pills u jack ass. They are allready produced in your body but decline rapidly with age which leads to disease, heart problems, and bone decay.

Go drink another soda, smoke a cig, and keep believing everything u hear on Oprah.

Yes that's Dr. Crisler. He's a good man.

The topical is very effective for some. You can read the forums at Meso RX and Bodybuilding to read some other people's experiences. I personally felt a huge difference in as little as 24 hours when I started the gel at thirty-five years old a few years ago. But I also was training really hard, lifting weights, eating really clean and doing cardio too.

God damn. Does insurance cover any of that?

Just started it this week, been working out steadily for the past year and half and dropped a lot of weight, but now I want to really tone up. I just got bored of doing the same 'ol thing at the gym, and a non-adult forum I post at, had a lot of people getting great results from it so I decided to check it out. The Pylo totally kicked my ass though, yoga wasn't so bad since I practice Power Yoga already.

Yoga is extremely good for you, if you have a studio by you that does it, I for sure recommend signing up to just add it to any workout your doing. It good for body and mind overall. Especially when you work in this industry lol

Eating clean is for sure the way to go, luckily I have been doing that for the past year so it's natural for me to eat that way now. If you have any questions or want suggestions on some good food for sure hit me up :thumbsup I know it can get boring after awhile so its good to learn how to change it up, and still eat your favorite food, just the healthier version.

nope! hah. :1orglaugh

that is great info! i agree with you, the plyo is a serious ass kicker. but the yoga WOW, it is a big struggle for me right now. i can barely get into the poses, let alone hold them for the duration. i mean it's really hard.

it's great to hear about your successes with exercising and dropping weight! i'll hit you up about the nutrition ideas too, thanks for that.:)

Yeah I couldn't even finish all the sets of the Pylo and was sore for 2 days haha. Doing a yoga class on the side will for sure help in the rest of your workouts since it builds a strong core and will also help stamina and flexibility. There is some guys in there that coudn't even do it at first and now they're kicking ass and saying they feel like they are in the best shape they've ever been.

Thanks so much, also let me know how P90X does for you, I wana see those before and after photos hehe. Best of luck with everything!!

http://www.retrojunk.com/img/art-ima...rfvitamins.jpg :2 cents:

before pics?

that's good to know, i'm hoping i can do the full 90 minutes of yoga within 30 days.

and good luck to you as well- i'll show you my before and after pics if you show me yours!:thumbsup

I think as long as your temper isn't too bad, it is beneficial

another typical uninformed comment .... :error

WTF are u looking at?



J/K!!!1:winkwink:

d-null, thx for all the info, u certainly have a lot of knowledge on this.

If he puts on three full patches of 2.5... Then it's like boner city the whole day... 2 patches and he operates normally... No patches or is late putting on a patch.. he has absolutely no drive.. so when he overcompensates or puts a little extra on.. He feels so much better.. But where he is putting on the patches daily, he's continuously getting a fresh batch of testosterone..whereas people who make their testosterone have varying levels each day based on diet and the body in general....

As far as whether his youthfulness is associated with the patch.. I would guess so. Both his parents looked old, quick.. but he also doesn't smoke, drink, or have any vices.. so that could play a part...

I'm looking to get him on a combo with HGH during our next endo appt.
Where his body doesn't produce it to begin with.. our stuff is all covered by insurance...

Good thing that it doesn't involve on surgery.

How many IU/day? Just one is quite low I doubt you would see any results at all.. at least not for 3+ months

2-3 is still very moderate and would yield better results, imo

http://www.fortunecity.com/village/m...t-army-guy.jpg

So, you will end like this...?