hgh helps with collagen and ellastin, but I think prevention is always easier than reversal

You dont know shit about his subject so stfu. Test and Growth are not pills u jack ass. They are allready produced in your body but decline rapidly with age which leads to disease, heart problems, and bone decay.

Go drink another soda, smoke a cig, and keep believing everything u hear on Oprah.

Yes that's Dr. Crisler. He's a good man.

The topical is very effective for some. You can read the forums at Meso RX and Bodybuilding to read some other people's experiences. I personally felt a huge difference in as little as 24 hours when I started the gel at thirty-five years old a few years ago. But I also was training really hard, lifting weights, eating really clean and doing cardio too.

God damn. Does insurance cover any of that?

Just started it this week, been working out steadily for the past year and half and dropped a lot of weight, but now I want to really tone up. I just got bored of doing the same 'ol thing at the gym, and a non-adult forum I post at, had a lot of people getting great results from it so I decided to check it out. The Pylo totally kicked my ass though, yoga wasn't so bad since I practice Power Yoga already.

Yoga is extremely good for you, if you have a studio by you that does it, I for sure recommend signing up to just add it to any workout your doing. It good for body and mind overall. Especially when you work in this industry lol

Eating clean is for sure the way to go, luckily I have been doing that for the past year so it's natural for me to eat that way now. If you have any questions or want suggestions on some good food for sure hit me up :thumbsup I know it can get boring after awhile so its good to learn how to change it up, and still eat your favorite food, just the healthier version.

nope! hah. :1orglaugh

that is great info! i agree with you, the plyo is a serious ass kicker. but the yoga WOW, it is a big struggle for me right now. i can barely get into the poses, let alone hold them for the duration. i mean it's really hard.

it's great to hear about your successes with exercising and dropping weight! i'll hit you up about the nutrition ideas too, thanks for that.:)

Yeah I couldn't even finish all the sets of the Pylo and was sore for 2 days haha. Doing a yoga class on the side will for sure help in the rest of your workouts since it builds a strong core and will also help stamina and flexibility. There is some guys in there that coudn't even do it at first and now they're kicking ass and saying they feel like they are in the best shape they've ever been.

Thanks so much, also let me know how P90X does for you, I wana see those before and after photos hehe. Best of luck with everything!!

http://www.retrojunk.com/img/art-ima...rfvitamins.jpg :2 cents:

before pics?

that's good to know, i'm hoping i can do the full 90 minutes of yoga within 30 days.

and good luck to you as well- i'll show you my before and after pics if you show me yours!:thumbsup

I think as long as your temper isn't too bad, it is beneficial

another typical uninformed comment .... :error

WTF are u looking at?



J/K!!!1:winkwink:

d-null, thx for all the info, u certainly have a lot of knowledge on this.

If he puts on three full patches of 2.5... Then it's like boner city the whole day... 2 patches and he operates normally... No patches or is late putting on a patch.. he has absolutely no drive.. so when he overcompensates or puts a little extra on.. He feels so much better.. But where he is putting on the patches daily, he's continuously getting a fresh batch of testosterone..whereas people who make their testosterone have varying levels each day based on diet and the body in general....

As far as whether his youthfulness is associated with the patch.. I would guess so. Both his parents looked old, quick.. but he also doesn't smoke, drink, or have any vices.. so that could play a part...

I'm looking to get him on a combo with HGH during our next endo appt.
Where his body doesn't produce it to begin with.. our stuff is all covered by insurance...

Good thing that it doesn't involve on surgery.

How many IU/day? Just one is quite low I doubt you would see any results at all.. at least not for 3+ months

2-3 is still very moderate and would yield better results, imo

http://www.fortunecity.com/village/m...t-army-guy.jpg

So, you will end like this...?

You should check your health status more often now

That guy takes WAAAAY more than these guys are talking about. You do not get HUGE taking correct dosage, or unless you want to bang back multiple drugs at high volume.

My guess that you are getting fatigued so quick is that your carb intake is way to low. Given you probably burn 3000 to 3500 kcal a day your carb intake should be about 400 to 450 grams a day, but make sure that you don?t eat more than 20 grams sugar a day. If you are active and have a low carb intake the body might use protein instead of the fat as energy. It is the carbs that regulate the amount of fat the body store, both a high carb intake and a low carb intake will cause the body to store or maintain stored fat. Besides the body doesn?t really start to burn fat until after an hour of training, before that it relies mainly on carbs, so if you start to get tired after 30 minutes your body probably will not burn much fat when you work out, that is why you still have relatively high body fat given how active you are.

i agree and that's my intention. this is all part of my commitment to pay better attention to myself physically, mentally and emotionally.

i am moving towards a higher carb "atheletic" diet, i will be ramping up good carbs over the next 90 days. I am not sure if i agree with you though that you don't burn fat until after an hour of training. from my understanding, with the proper cardio exercise fat burning begins earlier and lasts longer.

he said 10/u so thats 1 IU its a really low dose

topical test works but you need tons of it, your better off using regular injectable test weekly

I don't have the balance for most of yoga.

You start burning fat earlier, but from what I know it doesn't really take off until after an hour of training. When I did weight lifting I started with 15 min warmup, then did 45 minutes of lifting and ended with 30 mins cardio. I had really good results with that training. I hope you feel better with the high carb diet.

I just had to post this:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/spo...icle4208764.ab

She is 72 years old and started training when she was 46.

HI d-null, hey, i found this info on the hgh mixture, it shows that there is 1u of hgh per 10u of solution.

am i reading this wrong? i'll call my doc's office when they open in a bit to confirm

thank you. that's good info too

and this thread as about what?

Wow! That is amazing. Just shows it's never too late to kick some ass and look and feel good.

Look at Mick Jagger. He's 65 years old, spent his 20's,30's, and 40's smoking, drinking, doing tons of heroin, pot, and coke. He is ripped and shredded and can run faster and farther than any of the 20 something webmasters on the board.

I'd say it's never too late to improve quality of life :)

A lot of people would dispute that. Topical only requires a little top-of-your toothbrush-sized amount of gel and gives you a daily even dose so you maintain more or less consistent higher levels of testosterone in your body, while once a week injectable testosterone gives you peaks immediately after the injection and low levels several days later right before your next injection.

i can say this- i'm a horny mother fucker this morning! i'm all tingly:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

best luck on the results, hope it works out for you :)

That's not true Jim. When you inject testosterone intramuscularly it has a "shelf life" Different tests have different times. Prop for instance is pretty quickly done. So you would have to shoot it more. But cypionate and enthanate maintain your levels for more than 7 days. So shooting them just once a week is all you need to have good levels (and much higher than the gel can give)

Of course different tests do different stuff too. If you can handle shooting propianate every other day... it will lean you out real nicely. Whereas cypionate tends to have some water bloating if you were to up the dosage.

you are not reading "that" wrong, but you are not following the procedure exactly that they are talking about in that "info"


you said you are adding 3 cc of water to the hgh, which will result in my previous approx. calculation of .58 IU of hgh for 10u injection

the instructions you are now quoting from would be the result of only adding 1.8 cc of water to the hgh and end up with 1 IU hgh per 10u injection


you should clarify with the doctor how much he wants you to be taking, or if you are mistakenly adding more water than he intended when telling you your dosage.... there is nothing wrong with adding more water, you just need to keep yourself straight in your calculations when figuring out exactly how many IU of gh you are taking

You are talking about people messing around with steroid levels of testosterone however. For the dosages that doctors legally prescribe for h.r.t. there is still more daily fluctuation in your bioavailable testosterone with the injections than the gel. Some work better for some people than others and everyone is affected differently too.

i see. i also checked in with the doc, adding 3CCs was correct and my doasge of hgh is .58 as you mentioned. thanks again