I think the Lakers will get Shaq again, and I doubt he'll be a backup. The way Bynum's knees are...he could be out for quite awhile. They should have traded him the other year while they could have still gotten something for him. So much potential and I'm scared it'll never be met.

Cory... Shaq? WTF I knew you liked big black cock :P

I think we can all agree on one thing.. Kobe and Jordan were both amazing players! Jordan was no more of a teammate then Kobe has ever been. As a matter of fact the last year and a half Kobe was as much or more of a teammate then Jordan ever was.

People will always dispise Kobe because he is the 2nd coming. That's how it always works and nobody likes it. Jeff Gordon is every bit of a driver that Earnhardt Sr. was. But everyone hated him because he was the 2nd coming. But look at his numbers! I hate the fag and Im actually a Earnhardt fan but just making a point. It happens in every sport. People will hate the "NEXT" guy

Go Kobe... 15 straight 40pt games a few years ago? LOL wtf... he had like 20 straight 30pt games.. the things he has done are amazing..

I didnt know Chamberlain was mentioned by anyone other than you in this thread. I think that is because nobody besides you has mentioned him. So in that case if you really new the game when mentioning the most dominate forces in the game you failed to mention Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell and Julius Erving.

The argument can be made weather Shaq is the most dominate Center in NBA history but not the best player in NBA history. I will reiterate with one of these :2 cents: to make sure you notice that this is just my opinion.

If you want fact then I will say this. Gretzky is the best hockey player of all time, hands down, no arguments to be made. FACT!!!

I can post dozens of stats that show either is better. It really comes down to preference. As a matter of fact I have side by side framed posters in my office of the two of them.

The one thing I think you are mistaken about is the talent that Jordan had on his team.
Rodman.. the best rebounder and defender the game has ever seen
Pippen.. maybe the best 2nd best player on his team EVER. Also one of the best small forwards ever.
The bulls also had some very good point guards over those years.. the Lakers have had nothing.
Center... The one advantage you can now give to the Lakers.. Shaq stint was short but now having Pau and a hurt Bynam gives the Lakers the edge.

I would also have to bring up the point that it was easier for Jordan to score back in the day. The players were smaller, the d was softer and the average team scored 10+ more points per game. More points to go around more easy layups and assists.

Lots of shots doesn't always equal selfish play.

That stat shows how good the Lakers are this year that they don't need him to put up that many shots every night and he is obviously aware of that and hasn't forced things. It's almost always better when you spread the scoring around that doesn't mean there aren't going to be nights when one guy gets it going or the best player needs to take up more of the work load. You have to take what the defense gives you.

Jordan is still the best by the way. Kobe has a shot at it but would have to win a championship 3 out of the next 4 years to have any kind of serious discussion about it.

http://www.jordanextreme.com/time838...offsBoston.jpg

Michael Jordan en-route to an NBA Playoff record 63 points against one of the greatest teams of all time in the era of legal hand checking, agressive defense and a lot of double teaming Jordan.

So take Kobe's 61 against a pathetic team in the regular season and SHOVE IT!

Jordan vs. Bird from that game:
(who did Kobe have guarding him? Oh that's right, garbage.)

Great player,no matter what...

What a dumb statement. Wow.

Would you like to review who the 72-10 Bulls lost to?

Or should we just squash irrelevance?

I am for the latter, personally.

That is a great post. I agree with all that.

In concern with Shaq, I have to go with him because he won the Title in two conferences with two different teams. He appeared with three teams. Every team he is on is a dominant force. That's my take.

Eric, I don't argue that they aren't better when he scores less. I argue that with Jordan and Lebron as well. That's the point. Sometimes players as good as Kobe score 60.

What? You mean Jordan had good teammates? Say it ain't so....I thought Jordan had a bunch of scrubs and he elivated them to play like NBA stars?

haha

Funny how people never bring up how good the Bulls were, and how weak their competition was.

50 Jordan Wanna Be's.

Players were softer when Jordan played? How old are you? Because you don't have a clue...and the rules then made it much harder for a player like Jordan to score than guys today.

liking hamburgers over hotdogs is a preference...Jordan being the greatest player of all time is just how it is...there's no preference. The only player in sight that could take that crown someday is King James.

If the guy can manage to stays healthy he could end his career with around 40,000+ points, 10,000+ assists, 10,000+ rebounds. Those numbers are out of this world.

Micheal would have never let Paul Pierce steal HIS show in the finals like kobe did, he can have as many big scoring nights as he wants, he just doesn't have the same mojo as Mike.

[QUOTE=TheStout;15431444]I didnt know Chamberlain was mentioned by anyone other than you in this thread. I think that is because nobody besides you has mentioned him. So in that case if you really new the game when mentioning the most dominate forces in the game you failed to mention Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell and Julius Erving.QUOTE]

read the thread, they were all mentioned by someone else.

All time, Kobe is #16
Jordan is obviously #1

Those teams in the early 90's were scoring easily 110 points a game. Todays average is about 92, That just shows the defense that was going on back then..

Because Stockton and Malone are comparable to Pierce, Garnet, and Ray Allen.

Wow.

Cory, you're a much better writer on your blog than you are making sports arguments here on GFY.

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Let's see what nba players say about this topic?

That's just stupid MJ was and always will be so much better than KB.

Exactly.. the east was horrible and the bulls were stacked beyond belief

lol, how old am I...? Did you start your business yesterday or are you a surfer?

Yes, I do have a clue. As a matter of fact I was in High School playing ball myself during Jordans reign. Im a Jordan fan. But I also believe Kobe is every bit as good and the stats prove it.

The game was different back then. The players were much smaller! That's a fact. It's the same with baseball, tennis, hockey, football, and everything else. Not to mention the Bulls were stacked!

Exactly. You played. Which means you can step back and see he is just as good. Its funny, Jordan's marketing is absolutely astounding in terms of garnering legions of blind followers. God forbid we discuss Magic either.

I mean, when someone says no one "will ever be as good" as Jordan, that alone tells you the mentality of someone. That's just not practical. That's very commercial influenced.

Yeah, hard to choose between both. I'd choose Jordan just because he didn't rape anyone, though :Oh crap

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