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BradM 02-10-2009 12:53 PM
Josh and Matt, thank you.

Brujah 02-10-2009 12:56 PM
I don't know Josh. All this talk about Adapt or Die, and how great illegal tubes are and why we should all be supporting them for getting traffic by stealing content. What message do you expect people to get from all of this?

Steal Content! Don't get caught. Hide who you are, making it difficult for them to pursue. Get big enough and then blackmail or extort them into making deals with you.

PowerCum 02-10-2009 12:56 PM
Good reading.
I think a bit different than you, but it's because I'm headed in completely different direction.

In any case, what you say is a big truth. I have always conducted my business based on profit margins and not on what other webmasters say, like, or want me to do.

BFT3K 02-10-2009 12:57 PM
Tube sites are where guys go to jerk off for free. The more free content the better!

tony286 02-10-2009 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468630)
You really think they are stealing content? You think a company like NastyDollars wouldn't go and sue the living pants of pornhub for stealing their content? No, why? because they realized that they could make money off these sites.

How many people here talk about putting sexy videos up on youtube with watermarks on them? Quite a few I've seen, how that works is they watch the video, kind of get turned on, type in the url of the watermark wanting to see more, get to a site, and signup.. That's how programs are doing it, they are giving a few full scenes away with their watermark on them to these tubes, and in exchange they get type in traffic that actually converts better then the thousands of shitty traffic affiliates send them and ends up costing them.

Think about it, they give a 20 minute video to porn hub with their watermark, that video gets hundreds of thousands of views, out of those hundreds of thousands, thousands of them type realitykings.com into their browser and go, see more, buy a membership, FULL MEMBERSHIP IS THEIRS TO KEEP.

Whereas you send them hundreds of thousands of traffic, that costs them bandwidth, and in exchange they get 10 or so sales, and end up paying you 50% of it, or $35 on a $4.99 sale that doesn't end up converting to another month. So not only are they paying extra bandwidth fees for your shitty traffic, they are giving half if not, more then they make off the sale to you.

Food for thought.
noone gets sued for the most part because they are in places where its hard to sue them. Wonder why there are no us illegal tubes?

peeperpimp 02-10-2009 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468630)
You really think they are stealing content? You think a company like NastyDollars wouldn't go and sue the living pants of pornhub for stealing their content? No, why? because they realized that they could make money off these sites.

How many people here talk about putting sexy videos up on youtube with watermarks on them? Quite a few I've seen, how that works is they watch the video, kind of get turned on, type in the url of the watermark wanting to see more, get to a site, and signup.. That's how programs are doing it, they are giving a few full scenes away with their watermark on them to these tubes, and in exchange they get type in traffic that actually converts better then the thousands of shitty traffic affiliates send them and ends up costing them.

Think about it, they give a 20 minute video to porn hub with their watermark, that video gets hundreds of thousands of views, out of those hundreds of thousands, thousands of them type realitykings.com into their browser and go, see more, buy a membership, FULL MEMBERSHIP IS THEIRS TO KEEP.

Whereas you send them hundreds of thousands of traffic, that costs them bandwidth, and in exchange they get 10 or so sales, and end up paying you 50% of it, or $35 on a $4.99 sale that doesn't end up converting to another month. So not only are they paying extra bandwidth fees for your shitty traffic, they are giving half if not, more then they make off the sale to you.

Food for thought.
I dont usually get involved in these tube threads and I'll keep my tube opinions to myself but, that definetly is something to think about.

WeirdHomer 02-10-2009 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468630)

Whereas you send them hundreds of thousands of traffic, that costs them bandwidth, and in exchange they get 10 or so sales, and end up paying you 50% of it, or $35 on a $4.99 sale that doesn't end up converting to another month. So not only are they paying extra bandwidth fees for your shitty traffic, they are giving half if not, more then they make off the sale to you.
So no sponsor made any money from any affiliate before the tube sites started to pop out of the ground? People seem to think there is nothing else but tubes around anymore... Not true!
I don't have one tube nor do i use tubes. I STILL make good money using galleries, TGPs, MGPs, Blogs, SEO, etc....
Only difference is now i have to invest... Thumbzilla, JJs movies, Pichunter, Richards Realm, etc... don't take submitions without an account anymore but i think this would also have been the case if tube sites wouldn't exist :2 cents:

I understand BradMs thinking though..... it's a basic business rule, adapt to the market or you die, simple. I to adapted but in a diffrent way.

BV 02-10-2009 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468630)
You really think they are stealing content? You think a company like NastyDollars wouldn't go and sue the living pants of pornhub for stealing their content? No, why? because they realized that they could make money off these sites.

How many people here talk about putting sexy videos up on youtube with watermarks on them? Quite a few I've seen, how that works is they watch the video, kind of get turned on, type in the url of the watermark wanting to see more, get to a site, and signup.. That's how programs are doing it, they are giving a few full scenes away with their watermark on them to these tubes, and in exchange they get type in traffic that actually converts better then the thousands of shitty traffic affiliates send them and ends up costing them.

Think about it, they give a 20 minute video to porn hub with their watermark, that video gets hundreds of thousands of views, out of those hundreds of thousands, thousands of them type realitykings.com into their browser and go, see more, buy a membership, FULL MEMBERSHIP IS THEIRS TO KEEP.

Whereas you send them hundreds of thousands of traffic, that costs them bandwidth, and in exchange they get 10 or so sales, and end up paying you 50% of it, or $35 on a $4.99 sale that doesn't end up converting to another month. So not only are they paying extra bandwidth fees for your shitty traffic, they are giving half if not, more then they make off the sale to you.

Food for thought.

That's way different than paying them off!

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-10-2009 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 15468673)
I don't know Josh. All this talk about Adapt or Die, and how great illegal tubes are and why we should all be supporting them for getting traffic by stealing content. What message do you expect people to get from all of this?

Steal Content! Don't get caught. Hide who you are, making it difficult for them to pursue. Get big enough and then blackmail or extort them into making deals with you.
If the programs are giving the content to the tubes, it's not illegal, and they are not stealing the content...

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15468694)
noone gets sued for the most part because they are in places where its hard to sue them. Wonder why there are no us illegal tubes?
If pornhub is owned by brazzers like everyone thinks, brazzers is out of WA, you have an "illegal" tube in the US.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-10-2009 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdHomer (Post 15468729)
So no sponsor made any money from any affiliate before the tube sites started to pop out of the ground? People seem to think there is nothing else but tubes around anymore... Not true!
I don't have one tube nor do i use tubes. I STILL make good money using galleries, TGPs, MGPs, Blogs, SEO, etc....
Only difference is now i have to invest... Thumbzilla, JJs movies, Pichunter, Richards Realm, etc... don't take submitions without an account anymore but i think this would also have been the case if tube sites wouldn't exist :2 cents:
I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?

Brujah 02-10-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468777)
I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?
Show stats proving that tube site sales make more money than running an affiliate program in general.

tony286 02-10-2009 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468750)
If the programs are giving the content to the tubes, it's not illegal, and they are not stealing the content...



If pornhub is owned by brazzers like everyone thinks, brazzers is out of WA, you have an "illegal" tube in the US.
The brazzers are out of canada

WeirdHomer 02-10-2009 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15468777)
I'm not saying they never made any money off affiliates before, what I'm saying is, they are making more with tubes than with an affiliate, re read what I posted.

Affiliate sends thousands of visitors, makes a 10 sales, takes half the profit.

Sponsor gives full out dated scene to tube site with their watermark, same amount of people that affiliate sent them types the url in, goes and 30 people actually sign up, sponsor keeps all profits, x3.

What would you rather do?
Well, i was still editing my previous post by adding this:

I understand BradMs thinking though..... it's a basic business rule, adapt to the market or you die, simple. I to adapted but in a diffrent way.

I do undsertand sponsors adapting and using new business models, most are here to make money, not friends....

What i don't understand is the following: MGP sites used to be a good money maker in the beginning, with 2 minute clips maximum. Now why do tube sites not regulate that? Why 20 minutes or more high quality clips? I would think a tube site with the goal of selling memberships to paysites would have 2 min "sample" clips, sponsors do have tools to embed them, i just don't get why give a high quality full movie away for free.....

BFT3K 02-10-2009 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdHomer (Post 15468858)

I do undsertand sponsors adapting and using new business models, most are here to make money, not friends....

What i don't understand is the following: MGP sites used to be a good money maker in the beginning, with 2 minute clips maximum. Now why do tube sites not regulate that? Why 20 minutes or more high quality clips? I would think a tube site with the goal of selling memberships to paysites would have 2 min "sample" clips, sponsors do have tools to embed them, i just don't get why give a high quality full movie away for free.....
You do not understand this because you are NOT a moron. Only a moron believes a surfer who visits free tube sites, to view and jerk off to free videos, will leave the free world to pull out a credit card in the pay world.

I hate tube sites, but I now have dozens of them bookmarked, so I can jerk off for free whenever I like! I can find ANY niche I want - I can find ANY model I want - I can watch FULL videos - and ALL FOR FREE!!!

Why the fuck would I type in the watermark's URL and PAY for porn, EVER?!

Please make more tube sites for me. If it is not too much trouble perhaps a few of you guys can "adapt or die" your way into uploading more hi def full screen scenes too while you're at it. I am sure that will make your tube site more popular!

I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!

How do you compete in this brave new age? You give away MORE FREE PORN! You give away LONGER FREE SCENES! You give away scenes in ALL NICHES! You make sure the quality of your player and videos is better than the competition! The goal is to get more surfers to come to YOUR site for 100% FREE PORN so you get more traffic! Then you can make money from the guys who would rather visit a pay site and PAY for porn instead!

BRILLIANT!

After Shock Media 02-10-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15468411)
Its against the law to have people pay to come to live sex shows in the us.FYI
Not all together true.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-10-2009 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 15469168)
You do not understand this because you are NOT a moron. Only a moron believes a surfer who visits free tube sites, to view and jerk off to free videos, will leave the free world to pull out a credit card in the pay world.

I hate tube sites, but I now have dozens of them bookmarked, so I can jerk off for free whenever I like! I can find ANY niche I want - I can find ANY model I want - I can watch FULL videos - and ALL FOR FREE!!!

Why the fuck would I type in the watermark's URL and PAY for porn, EVER?!

Please make more tube sites for me. If it is not too much trouble perhaps a few of you guys can "adapt or die" your way into uploading more hi def full screen scenes too while you're at it. I am sure that will make your tube site more popular!

I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!

How do you compete in this brave new age? You give away MORE FREE PORN! You give away LONGER FREE SCENES! You give away scenes in ALL NICHES! You make sure the quality of your player and videos is better than the competition! The goal is to get more surfers to come to YOUR site for 100% FREE PORN so you get more traffic! Then you can make money from the guys who would rather visit a pay site and PAY for porn instead!

BRILLIANT!
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's thinking like that, instead of out of the box that keeps you from making more money.

You think Brazzers would own a tube site that has their content on it also, if it didn't pay?

tony286 02-10-2009 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15469244)
Not all together true.
really tell me where you can do that?

Scroto 02-10-2009 01:46 PM
Banner spots on tubes available, see sig for icq.. :winkwink: :pimp

BFT3K 02-10-2009 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15469273)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's thinking like that, instead of out of the box that keeps you from making more money.

You think Brazzers would own a tube site that has their content on it also, if it didn't pay?
The current business model for tube sites will die off very soon. The idea of streaming videos in a tube-like manner will not, but the current business model will not last.

I am happy people like you continue to cheerlead the movement however, because MANY people in this industry are buying into this nonsense. This means more and more morons will falsely believe they have to start a tube site in order to compete, which will inevitably result in tons more tube sites - all competing against each other - all for less and less nonconverting traffic.

Unless these backstabbing sites, run by backstabbing scumbags, change their own bizarre business model, they too will be fucked soon as well. Nothing lasts forever...

BradM 02-10-2009 02:21 PM
While you guys lose traffic to the poor morally and ethically run tube sites I will make 2 more sales on the traffic.

I do this because you have nothing to offer me (either think penis enlargement is bullshit or are too high and mighty to sell ads).

If you woke up a bit and made something BETTER than the tubes (WeirdHomer is in the right direction with his concept) then I would be giving the money to you, supporting your content instead of content theft.

Instead, you sit here and bitch and whine and argue over morals.

Newsflash: Morals in business are hard to come by.

d-null 02-10-2009 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 15469168)
...

I do not even bother to bookmark the tube sites that give away short clips, or bad players, or lo-res crap. Nope, I only go for the best when I am paying NOTHING to view my porn for FREE!...!
:2 cents:

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-10-2009 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15469588)
Newsflash: Morals in business are hard to come by.
Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.

Tom_PM 02-10-2009 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15469667)
Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.
dude, thats backwards :D :pimp

babebuns 02-10-2009 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15469667)
Sad but true, money walks, and bullshit talks.
You do alot of talking right josh :thumbsup

wheat 02-10-2009 02:35 PM
I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?

tony286 02-10-2009 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheat (Post 15469717)
I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?
no we are too squishy for that.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-10-2009 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by babebuns (Post 15469713)
You do alot of talking right josh :thumbsup
Cam, you should probably talk to Eric about getting unbanned before he finds out about this one and bans you again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wheat (Post 15469717)
I heard that fat people roll, can anyone confirm?
It's good to see the nobodies again.

wheat 02-10-2009 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15469766)
It's good to see the nobodies again.
Hahaha did you look in a mirror!!!

doridori 02-10-2009 03:45 PM
i lol so hard at these kind of threads. everybody thinks they are so righteous.

Fabien 02-10-2009 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15468520)
As I made this thread, I made 4 sales from tube sites - and you made nothing. My point has been proven. No one in this thread has sent me ANY sales - but tubes have. Yet you are all in here giving your 2c and bitching and whining. I win.
What a mother fucking dick !
I've been online for over 11 years now and have grey hair. Jesus Christ, i can't beleive someone like you is telling this and be proud about it.
Incredible :throwup

I just can't beleive it.

Juicy D. Links 02-10-2009 05:42 PM
i have my fast size on now actually , my penis is cute

DarkJedi 02-10-2009 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Retox Josh (Post 15469766)
It's good to see the nobodies again.
hahaha

look who is talking

:1orglaugh

DarkJedi 02-10-2009 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15469588)
While you guys lose traffic to the poor morally and ethically run tube sites I will make 2 more sales on the traffic.
You are either trolling, or a total fucking idiot.

You are making money off the tube sites just because you aren't selling porn.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15469588)
I do this because you have nothing to offer me (either think penis enlargement is bullshit or are too high and mighty to sell ads).
Boo fuckign hoo. Cry more about evil webmasters not sending you any traffic.

Wait... Could it be because your program is SHIT?

http://www.darksidedata.com/rolleyes.gif

doridori 02-10-2009 06:12 PM
you are all sad discussing with the same erroneous assumptions and weak arguments.

roganoli 02-10-2009 08:40 PM
The most popular tube sites paid a hard link on naughty.com (PR8). Check this "Naughty Friends" and you'll see everyone there! Atention on the terms "porn" "porn tube" "sex"... and compare it on google!

This naugty.com guy sell a link for thousands of dollars (anual fee). This goes against the Google guidelines!

Is possible report to Google on http://www.google.com/webmasters/

If there are many complaints can work!

Sorry my bad english!

ExLust 02-10-2009 08:43 PM
Good read.

d-null 02-10-2009 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by roganoli (Post 15472644)
The most popular tube sites paid a hard link on naughty.com (PR8). Check this "Naughty Friends" and you'll see everyone there! Atention on the terms "porn" "porn tube" "sex"... and compare it on google!

This naugty.com guy sell a link for thousands of dollars (anual fee). This goes against the Google guidelines!

Is possible report to Google on http://www.google.com/webmasters/

If there are many complaints can work!

Sorry my bad english!

you are correct, google doesn't like paid links to manipulate pr, if you actually know this is true the actual paid link report url is here though:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/paidlinks

LadyMischief 02-10-2009 11:06 PM
Following up on our previous news regarding Monty Python material on iTunes, Mashable is now reporting on a staggering increase of Monty Python DVDs sold on Amazon soon after the Python crew made some of their their more popular material free on Youtube. And by staggering, I mean 23,000% worth. Mashable notes that Monty Python’s DVDs climbed to the #2 spot on Amazon’s Movie’s and TV Bestseller List, and you don’t have to be a genius to follow that the sales were probably influenced by the Amazon links found on all of their Youtube clips.

When launching their massive Youtube effort, Monty Python made their intentions fairly clear:

“We’re letting you see absolutely everything for free. So there! But we want something in return. None of your driveling, mindless comments. Instead, we want you to click on the links, buy our movies & TV shows and soften our pain and disgust at being ripped off all these years.”

With this news, it seems their “crazy plan” was a success—and why wouldn’t it be? After all, most of their sketch material is tailor made for the typical Youtube viewer, and it’s not as if they would have been better served by a traditional television marketing campaign.

Read more here: http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/23/...sale-increase/

giving something away for free never works.. NEVER!

tony286 02-10-2009 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15473131)
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/23/...sale-increase/ giving something away for free never works.. NEVER!
you knows its not the same thing for porn. stop lol

LadyMischief 02-10-2009 11:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15473134)
you knows its not the same thing for porn. stop lol
How is it not? Considering the continuing success of things like tgps/mgps for many years, isn't that essentially what those did for so long? Just showing a case that is applicable, porn or not.


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