no cool :)

That I can agree on, nothing coward about it.

Might wanna edit that to say "it's so sad, may anybody who commits suicide rest in peace!" because Libertine is just gonna jump on you and call you a retard for having an opinion different than his.

I think having strong difference of opinions has little to do with being retarded. That being said, keep debating your opinions. Maybe we can get better discussions here.

Hard to debate opinions when the other debater is namecalling and all that. I'm just not gonna continue, I've got better things to do.

this thread = uncool

He doesn't just have strong opinions, he's a stupid fuck.

QED

If someone knows nothing about a subject, yet still thinks his opinion is somehow more valid than decades of research by tens of thousands of researchers, he either actually is retarded or he's trying his best to keep his thinking at the retarded level.

I hope the piece of shit gets cancer, so I can be there to tell him to stop being lazy and man the fuck up :2 cents:

Point proven.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-SgQ2...e=channel_page
Suicide facts... vid created by my daughter. She has more sense than most people in this thread.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=whOerPSYvQc
4:51 is my son... it's been 21 months and 22 days

http://www.taylormclaughlin.com/911.php
Listen to that and then say "worthless pile of shit" comments to me along with Libertine.

I'd show you the chest xrays from a few weeks before he passed. clinical depression is debilitating physically as well as mentally. Top it off with being rejected, stalked, harassed, bullied, heartbroken, impulsive, and then triggered by something that pushes them over the edge, they have no comprehension of what they are doing and the reprucussions of it all. It is impossible for them to think, IN THAT MOMENT, that the excruciating pain they are in will ever pass. They aren't thinking straight. Our natural born instincts for survival are temporarily not functioning. We have instincts to stay alive. That's why people don't just sit around, flip through channels on tv, get sad that nothings on and then go kill ourselves.

I wish there was more education on this subject. I got 50 more years of having to listen to ignorance that is a result from basing beliefs on watching too many stupid movies. More people would reach out for help if they didn't get scrutinized and simply told to "toughen up".

RRRED, I appreciate you posting these materials. We should not call anyone "worthless pile of shit", that's unacceptable. I think we should promote people coming out saying they are depressed, despite the stigma attached to it.

Here is another link:
Politicians and the stigma of mental illness
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/jo...-health-stigma

I almost didn't post it but I figure with the subject matter and how I persoanlly get treated ALL the time, if I can change one persons perception, it's worth it.

Another thing to consider is that a kids brain, under 25 years old, is not fully developed. That's fairly recent findings. This is why they have considered raising the age for drivers lisences.

I have known "of" a couple people who have died by suicide and I remember thinking how selfish, etc but I had no basis of thinking that other than that is what we have grown up to believe. Just like sex without marriage used to be considered a big horrible thing so it was kept hush hush and no one talked about it. I think you will soon see more schools talk and teach about this and parents that can talk more openly to their kids about it in the years to come.

As of last January, medical insurance companies are now required to treat mental illness just the same as physical illness. There is a reason for that. People will pull thier heads out sooner or later and that's a good thing.

Why did he kill himself?

Indeed, why did he kill himself?

I ask myself that every day. But long story short, he suffered from depression since middle school. That was when he used the "s" word. I immediately got us into counseling, private, and family and whatever treatments they suggested, we did. During this time, his father thought it would be a great idea to stop contact with him all together. He continued to improve and was very stable for a few more years.

Then, with ongoing bullying from school and online, he still did very good. His 2 friends were at my house every weekend for several years. They didn't do drugs or anything. Just played around online and vid games and goofed off. Towards the end, he wanted to go back to counseling because he was not able to eat and he couldn't sleep. During this, he got involved with a girl whos parents were a fucking nightmare and had her moved away after they found emails about her supposedly being pregnant. He waited it out because her 18th birthday was coming up. The psycho parents caused us to have to move a ways out of town because they would stalk us and show up all irate and crazy.

With a few months left before her birthday, he was getting terrible threats that they'd kill him, rape his sister, etc. Thought it was again, the gf's parents but I found out just last spring that it was a bunch of ADULTS who did this to him over the xbox continuously. He still kept going and he'd show me any harassing emails and such as they came. He didn't tell me about the xbox part cuz he knew I'd take it away. The night before he did this, and harassment orders pending from the bitches parents, which was a nightmare in itself, the gf called to tell him she had another boyfriend and was really cruel about it. She didn't even know what we'd all been through during those months. He was devestated beyond belief. I tried to convince him that 3 days it would be much better, etc etc. He said nothing about what he was going to do. He did ask me 3 times what time I had to go to the courthouse though.

He didn't go to school that morning and I didn't know it. Searched when he didn't come home from school for a note or something. Found him in a room downstairs where he knew the other kids would never go. I tried to make that short but there's alot to it. His note is on that site. The two people that would be hit the hardest, me and his sister, were not mentioned in the note. Goes to show that they can't think of that in that moment. If he had, he couldn't have gone through with it.

I think what you did was amazing. I have anxiety issues and have been through depression more than once. My levels are fairly mild and even with that being the case when it hits it just attacks your body. My heart rate goes up to such a level where I can't think properly because it feels like it will break through my chest. My head swirls and I have nothing but the feeling of impending doom. I seriously can not think of anything else but how my world will come crashing down any moment when I am in the midst of an anxiety attack. Most of this came on after my husband's sudden death and I guess that is understandable because my world *did* come crashing down suddenly. However, when I think back to being a teenager there were anxiety attacks then I just didn't 'get' what was happening.

I hid it for so long and it wasn't until I spoke out about it I had a lot of people in my family go 'me too'. Some friends too. It is amazing how just being able to talk about it openly helps a bit. That is why I don't hide it. I am a pretty mild case but that hurts enough that I don't even want to imagine what it would be like to be at the extreme end. So, I think the more people talk openly about things like real depression the less people will think they have to hide it and let it brew until they can't come back from the edge of the cliff.

RRRED, I am so sorry for your loss and the suffering you and your family must have endured. I lost a really close friend to suicide when she was 16 and I was 18. She was like my little sister and pratically lived with my family because her mother was always disappearing. I know the pain, rage, and guilt I suffered for years after her death and I cannot imagine what you have been through.

I think its amazing of you that you shared your story.

I also know he felt like a huge burden with the thousands I spent on my lawyer trying to defend him, which is a common feeling. I made sure he never felt that way but then when it was all for nothing, he felt horrible. I think he truly thought I would be just fine, another common feeling, like we would be better off without him.

That's why it sucks to hear people say depressed people are better off dead. The start to believe it.

Something else to think about. Did you know physicians die by suicide more than any other occupation? Cuz they can't get help for any imbalances or anything or it can affect their job. Again, stigma. A chemical shock in the brain isn't always ongoing. Another thing to consider that is very real is genetics. All of my 6 siblings have tried to kill themselves and we were all raised by different families. Our birth mother did die from suicide 8 months before my boy. My parents of suicide group all report of multiple suicides in their family. Something is up with that but they're only beginning to figure it out.

But I'm still here! Lucky you guys ;) Anyway carry on...

Sorry to hear that Reddd, must've been tough.

I honestly didn't know much about suicide being related to clinical depression and things going out of control like that, that's why I always assumed it being a cowardly thing and an easy way out. Guess I learned something new today.

RRRed, I understand your feelings and I'm sorry for what happened to Taylor, Believe me, I've read your threads and understood everything, hell if it wasn't for you I'd have never found one of my favorite songs, Blue October - Into the Ocean, because of your thread about him wanting it at his funeral. But you're letting your feelings get the best of you and aren't understanding my reasoning.

Both you and Libertine don't know what I've gone through to make my beliefs on suicide, you just assume I'm someone who hasn't been "educated" on the subject.

Little did you know I went through the same shit your son did growing up, still do, I'm 23 years old and still get bullied by people in real life, and on the internet... I also had to deal with 2 friends die of suicide, many attempt suicide, not including my mother and oldest sister.

My mother attempted suicide TWICE just after my father died because she hastly got into a relationship with another guy due to fear of being alone, and was verbally abused and the guy went as far as insulting my father saying his death was because he didn't want to be with my mother anymore, so she tried to OD because she didn't want to be alive, just wanted to be with the only one she loved, my father.

My oldest sister attempted suicide because her and her boyfriend of 8 years, and father of 2 of her kids threatened to take her kids from her because of stupid shit and abused her also.

Yes, I worded myself wrong for saying "Worthless pieces of shit" Taylor was far from worthless, my bad.. but saying I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm uneducated or a retard because I have different beliefs is the most ignorant thing anybody can say.

If only kids could see what they are going through at the time is only temporary and life can and will get so much better if you let it. High school can be hell for some kids and they don't see very far ahead for some reason. Shit, I wish I had that kind of forward thiking in highschool, I probably would of had a lot more fun to know that in the end it means nothing.

Thats a sad story :(

I just cant think of something less cool than suicide

Well there you go Josh. I could have bet money that you have come close, known people who have tried, and you didn't do it. Maybe the harshness in your words comes from the fact that since you made it, you think everyone can. I can totally relate to that especially now.

I remember it didn't really "hit me" hard till about month 4 and 5 afterwards. One night I thought it would be a great idea to drink two bottles of wine and throw my entire bottle of xanex in the air and try to catch them in my mouth. Needless to say I ended up in the hospital and they gave me a shot and knocked me the hell out. I wasn't trying to kill myself. It was more like a traumatized, drunken temper tantrum. I really really wanted to "die" but I couldn't bring myself to do it. And from there I felt like a total coward cuz I COULDN'T do it. I know, it makes no sense. But instead, within that same month, I had a total meltdown and beat my face against a hardback grief book and showed up to thanksgiving dinner looking like a battered housewife.

For the rest of the first year, I had horrible panic attacks which came out of nowhere and made my chest tighten up and I couldn't breathe and I would cry and gasp. It was awful. I couldn't leave the house hardly except drive my car so I could scream and beat my dash. Then by month eleven my "wonderful" boyfriend would get on top of me and scream at me, shake me and once tried to choke me cuz I had a panic attack. But getting outta there and hiding in the woods the past 6 months has helped. Working again, napping alot, eating healthy and often has helped tremendously and I have not had a single panic attack. No meds at all either.

I do seem to be a magnet though now for those who have been there which is good and fine by me. Alot of people can't share those experiences of having total meltdown cuz it can be pretty embarassing to admit. Thanks Josh for retracting. You should have a listen to "Weight of the world". My car was literally disassembled on the inside from that one.

JamesK, see? That's a good thing!

BlackCrayon, yep I wish he would have listened to me. When I die and go down that tunnel, he had better duck or run cuz I'm not sure if I'll kiss him or punch him first.

About 60% of suicides are the result of clinical depression, and the majority of the rest result from other mental disorders (bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc) or are committed under the influence of drugs.

There are very few people without mental disorders who just decide to kill themselves only because of specific circumstances they're in at a given time. A mentally healthy person won't just decide that the problems he's having are too big, and kill himself as an "easy way out".

And it should be obvious, really... a rational person, given the choice between any random problem "X" and death, would choose problem X instead of death. For most of us, whatever the situation, it's a no-brainer.

So suicide results from some fundamentally warped thinking. Not from cowardice, but from a complete outlook on life which has been fundamentally altered or even shaped entirely by a mental disorder.

A good example is color. Someone suffering from clinical depression literally sees less color than a mentally healthy person. And similar things go for things like image of the self, body image, expectations of the future, etc.

People living with severe depression literally experience a fundamentally different world from the one the rest of us experience. That's why they don't respond to the typical attempts to "cheer them up" friends and family will provide - what's being said directly conflicts with what they can see with their own eyes.

Interesting question.

Interesting to me because during my years in the 80's and 90's working at a local hospital I had occasion many times to work at the psych facility and saw this "coolness" factor, especially among young suicidal in-patients. There were a group of three girls in particular, all in their late teens and early 20's who would literally feed off of each other's behavior. It was as if all this "I might kill myself today" stuff they had going on was cool, and the further they could push it the cooler it was to them. But it wasn't just idle crap or a pack of really dumb kids being dumb kids, make no mistake, underneath it they were serious.

One of those girls jumped off a nearby bridge one spring, before the ice on the river had broken up. She figured she would break through when she hit and be taken by the undercurrent. The problem was she weighed next to nothing and merely smacked the ice from the 50-something foot fall, got herself all busted up, and ended up in the ICU (where I later had occasion to work and was able to talk to her about it). The months of attention she got for her little stunt just had her giddy with pleasure.... like it was cool. To me it's almost like a slap in the face to those who are truly going through some horrible depression and who otherwise do not want to die but are on the edge of seeing no other way out.

So yes, some people do really attribute some sort of coolness factor to suicide. But of course the real answer is it is anything but cool, and anyone that makes mention of it or saying they are having thoughts of suicide even in jest should not be ignored. It's something that needs to be taken very seriously and addressed immediately, and nothing to roll one's eyes at.

By the way, those three cool girls, all of them succeeded in their quest for coolness before the last century ended. So not cool.

I think they are excellent .. just keep them to your self and don't fail .. if your emotionally fucked ..either get help or pull the plug but bringing the world into your little world of woe-always-me

"Teenage Suicide (Don't Do It)"...

Name the band.

While it appears your views are mostly the result of a somewhat understandable survival strategy, I'd advise you to rethink them. Or, failing that, to simply keep them to yourself. Because stating that depression isn't real and an excuse for failure and that those who commit suicide are worthless pieces of shit is EXACTLY the sort of thing that will reinforce the type of negative self image that people with major depressive disorder have.

Given the statistics on depression, it's likely that a fair number of people who suffer from depression have read this thread. Your statements essentially come down to telling them "you don't have a disorder which you need to seek help for, you're just a worthless loser and a coward on top of that".

And yes, depression is a very real disorder. There are thousands and thousands of studies documenting it in extreme detail, and it's very clear that it is related to numerous measurable physical changes. So if you deny it, then yes, you are either uneducated on the subject or simply unwilling to accept the results of decades of research.

To be honest, with you I think the latter is more likely, and given your story above, it's quite clear what your reasons are. However, you might want to consider seeing a good psychologist or psychiatrist to deal with those feelings (and no, there is no shame in doing that), rather than insulting people who have died because of a serious mental illness.

It is 100 percent not cool. Stupid people who do not trust themselves commit suicide.

Funny how that shut Retox moron right up.

I've found that some kids/people have worse symptoms of depression and unhappiness when they explore their "artistic" side more. I know that I was an emo kid with a TON of teasing. As a teen I was a "mathlete", obese, cross eyed, and a geek on the PC.... God bless surgery and exercise, lol... but I know horrors... and do you know what made those horrors worse?

Journaling about it. Writing about it. Concentrating on it.

I mean in general.. other than other kid bullying... I had a great childhood. No real, physical abuse. Stable, educated, working parents....

Giving weight to the dark feelings with journals and artistic expression made it WORSE...

The day I threw out my journals... the day that I stopped trying to be all artsy fartsy with my feelings... things got a lot better.

When I was younger, I would scrape. I could never full blown cut. Ever. I would just scrape. And then I'd think, "My god, I'm a pussy..." and feel bad for it. Then Id think about ending it...

Once I became an adult... and within the last probably, year or two... I've discovered completely that my emotional outbursts and "low" periods are completely as a result of my hormones being imbalanced.

I think families and counselors focus far too much on "talking it out..."

When most times.. the "talking it out" makes it worse. It allows the child (or adult) to validate the feelings... or to wallow.. or to have self pity... I've also noticed that the parents of people who are usually suicidal are either minus emotion.... or completely emo themselves... No balanced center...

Now that my hormones are completely square... I'm completely cool... but the minute that I forget to take my birth control.. or thyroid... I crash horribly... but it's to the point where you get used to it... I can feel the crash happen and prepare myself mentally.. I don't just crash.... grab a journal.. and go all woe is me... I stop. tell myself that I am OKAY... and become self aware that I''m going to be feeling a little bit blue.

In short, after my ginormous novel, I think a lot of suicidal feelings and tendencies are blown up as a result of counselors, journals and validating those feelings... when in most cases it's just an imbalance....

Ummm, I have no disorders, I have no depression, I don't feel suicidal, I love life and plan to live it until I die of something natural. My reasons for suicide being stupid are my reasons, I don't need to "consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist".

Libertine do you read ANYTHING I've said or just automatically resort to the first thing I said and start spouting off again about how I'm wrong and you're right?

We have a winner! When the chemicals in your brain aren't right it can make you fucked up in all sorts of ways.

Let's take a quick look at you, shall we?

In this thread, you started off by saying that people who try to commit suicide are "worthless piles of shit". A rather interesting choice of words, since it's a broad personality-based insult, rather than one specifically and narrowly related to the action itself. Your choice to condemn the person rather than the action, and in such inflammatory language, is indicative of quite a bit of unresolved anger.

Then, add to that the fact that you made that statement knowing full well that it implicitly applied to several people close to you. You basically called your own mother, your sister and several friends of yours "worthless piles of shit". The choice of a broad character-based insult rather than an action-specific criticism is especially interesting given this context.

After that, you go on to try and insult me by saying you think I "think about suicide every day". You show that you consider depression to be something shameful, something that would deserve to be ridiculed. And thereby you again implicitly insult your own family.

You go on to make the rather outlandish statement that depression is not a real disorder. When you radically disagree with virtually every healthcare professional in the world, there has to be a reason for that. In your case, it's quite obvious that the reason is an emotional one, rather than a rational one. Your anger seems to have distorted your worldview to the point where it actually conflicts with medical reality, apparently to deny those who try to commit suicide an "excuse".

And let's add to that your experience of being bullied both online and in real life at your current age - an age at which true bullying, as it happens in schools, is quite rare. You appear to feel like others are out to get you, and actively try to portray yourself as the victim.

Apart from all that, let's take a quick look at your history in this industry. You've screwed up several times to the point where it has seriously hurt your credibility, have antagonized an uncommonly large number of people, and have tried to blame others in virtually every instance.

So, let's see... you lack a sense of personal responsibility and have unresolved anger issues, both of which have actually hurt you in your professional life, and more than likely in your personal life as well.

Again, you should consider seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist. Remember that depression isn't the only mental disorder out there :2 cents:

Libertine, have you ever thought about quitting GFY to become a doctor? Because you sure think you are one.

:2 cents:

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Yes, I have thought about it.

And after thinking about it, I quit most of my online work, sold my main company, and applied for med school. Since it will be quite a few years before I get an MD, I'm still working online part time meanwhile.

In your case, however, no doctor is needed to notice that you have some problems.

Well, let me know when you get that degree saying you truly know what you're talking about, and then maybe I'll take some of your words and believe them, otherwise, you're still someone on GFY who thinks they know everything.

Well, most of the things I mentioned are easily verifiable facts. If you don't think they indicate a problem, that's up to you, but I think many if not most of the people who frequent GFY would agree that you don't exactly come across as the avatar of mental stability.

If the things you posted in this thread about your family are true, that would be a rather likely explanation of some unresolved issues, which could only really improve with some professional help.

And I am *not* saying this to insult you. Many people can benefit from psychological help at some point in their life.

But anyway, I'm out of here. Josh, the best of luck to you.

That's a good thing you're still here.

When the mind finally snaps and you think life is so unbearable that ending it is the only answer..it's sad and my heart goes out to the sons and daughters etc that have been lost.peer pressure,depression can be a powerful downfall,but it's the will to live inside that keeps a person strong.the mind is very powerful yet fragile .
I hope I don't feel that desperate and find the courage to seek help somehow before I pull the trigger

suicide is an action in panic or a call for help. People who wants to kill themself jump for the train or put a bullet in their head. The easy way, I guess not, some are really desperated or can not deal anymore with the depression. A depression is serious shit and not always medication is the way to get out of that.

An attempt is calling for help if you want to kill yourself for real you just do it without any change somebody helps you anymore.

Another fact is... that girls attempts are 3 times more than boys. That is because they usually choose less violent means. And also boys are more set to complete the task because they'd be even more humliated to be labeled "weak" if they didn't "succeed". That's why they usually use guns or rope as opposed to overdosing and wrist cutting.

They don't want to be labeled "weak" indeed. That's terrible.

Suicide Attempts = WEAK
Suicide = Thank you for not half-assing it...

Either that or it's because they know that they'll surely get dragged off to the loony bin should they try and fail.

Suicide might make sense if you're trapped atop a burning building (the WTC being the classic example), entering the latter stages of an incurable disease, or perhaps even facing a long prison sentence, but that really is about it.

Try to off yourself for some dumb ass reason like love gone bad and the men in the white coats will indeed come for you... and with good reason :2 cents:

Facing a long prison sentence?? = COWARD

The men in the white coats. At least it's not the men in the yellow coats.