Funny how that shut Retox moron right up.

I've found that some kids/people have worse symptoms of depression and unhappiness when they explore their "artistic" side more. I know that I was an emo kid with a TON of teasing. As a teen I was a "mathlete", obese, cross eyed, and a geek on the PC.... God bless surgery and exercise, lol... but I know horrors... and do you know what made those horrors worse?

Journaling about it. Writing about it. Concentrating on it.

I mean in general.. other than other kid bullying... I had a great childhood. No real, physical abuse. Stable, educated, working parents....

Giving weight to the dark feelings with journals and artistic expression made it WORSE...

The day I threw out my journals... the day that I stopped trying to be all artsy fartsy with my feelings... things got a lot better.

When I was younger, I would scrape. I could never full blown cut. Ever. I would just scrape. And then I'd think, "My god, I'm a pussy..." and feel bad for it. Then Id think about ending it...

Once I became an adult... and within the last probably, year or two... I've discovered completely that my emotional outbursts and "low" periods are completely as a result of my hormones being imbalanced.

I think families and counselors focus far too much on "talking it out..."

When most times.. the "talking it out" makes it worse. It allows the child (or adult) to validate the feelings... or to wallow.. or to have self pity... I've also noticed that the parents of people who are usually suicidal are either minus emotion.... or completely emo themselves... No balanced center...

Now that my hormones are completely square... I'm completely cool... but the minute that I forget to take my birth control.. or thyroid... I crash horribly... but it's to the point where you get used to it... I can feel the crash happen and prepare myself mentally.. I don't just crash.... grab a journal.. and go all woe is me... I stop. tell myself that I am OKAY... and become self aware that I''m going to be feeling a little bit blue.

In short, after my ginormous novel, I think a lot of suicidal feelings and tendencies are blown up as a result of counselors, journals and validating those feelings... when in most cases it's just an imbalance....

Ummm, I have no disorders, I have no depression, I don't feel suicidal, I love life and plan to live it until I die of something natural. My reasons for suicide being stupid are my reasons, I don't need to "consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist".

Libertine do you read ANYTHING I've said or just automatically resort to the first thing I said and start spouting off again about how I'm wrong and you're right?

We have a winner! When the chemicals in your brain aren't right it can make you fucked up in all sorts of ways.

Let's take a quick look at you, shall we?

In this thread, you started off by saying that people who try to commit suicide are "worthless piles of shit". A rather interesting choice of words, since it's a broad personality-based insult, rather than one specifically and narrowly related to the action itself. Your choice to condemn the person rather than the action, and in such inflammatory language, is indicative of quite a bit of unresolved anger.

Then, add to that the fact that you made that statement knowing full well that it implicitly applied to several people close to you. You basically called your own mother, your sister and several friends of yours "worthless piles of shit". The choice of a broad character-based insult rather than an action-specific criticism is especially interesting given this context.

After that, you go on to try and insult me by saying you think I "think about suicide every day". You show that you consider depression to be something shameful, something that would deserve to be ridiculed. And thereby you again implicitly insult your own family.

You go on to make the rather outlandish statement that depression is not a real disorder. When you radically disagree with virtually every healthcare professional in the world, there has to be a reason for that. In your case, it's quite obvious that the reason is an emotional one, rather than a rational one. Your anger seems to have distorted your worldview to the point where it actually conflicts with medical reality, apparently to deny those who try to commit suicide an "excuse".

And let's add to that your experience of being bullied both online and in real life at your current age - an age at which true bullying, as it happens in schools, is quite rare. You appear to feel like others are out to get you, and actively try to portray yourself as the victim.

Apart from all that, let's take a quick look at your history in this industry. You've screwed up several times to the point where it has seriously hurt your credibility, have antagonized an uncommonly large number of people, and have tried to blame others in virtually every instance.

So, let's see... you lack a sense of personal responsibility and have unresolved anger issues, both of which have actually hurt you in your professional life, and more than likely in your personal life as well.

Again, you should consider seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist. Remember that depression isn't the only mental disorder out there :2 cents:

Libertine, have you ever thought about quitting GFY to become a doctor? Because you sure think you are one.

:2 cents:

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Yes, I have thought about it.

And after thinking about it, I quit most of my online work, sold my main company, and applied for med school. Since it will be quite a few years before I get an MD, I'm still working online part time meanwhile.

In your case, however, no doctor is needed to notice that you have some problems.

Well, let me know when you get that degree saying you truly know what you're talking about, and then maybe I'll take some of your words and believe them, otherwise, you're still someone on GFY who thinks they know everything.

Well, most of the things I mentioned are easily verifiable facts. If you don't think they indicate a problem, that's up to you, but I think many if not most of the people who frequent GFY would agree that you don't exactly come across as the avatar of mental stability.

If the things you posted in this thread about your family are true, that would be a rather likely explanation of some unresolved issues, which could only really improve with some professional help.

And I am *not* saying this to insult you. Many people can benefit from psychological help at some point in their life.

But anyway, I'm out of here. Josh, the best of luck to you.

That's a good thing you're still here.

When the mind finally snaps and you think life is so unbearable that ending it is the only answer..it's sad and my heart goes out to the sons and daughters etc that have been lost.peer pressure,depression can be a powerful downfall,but it's the will to live inside that keeps a person strong.the mind is very powerful yet fragile .
I hope I don't feel that desperate and find the courage to seek help somehow before I pull the trigger

suicide is an action in panic or a call for help. People who wants to kill themself jump for the train or put a bullet in their head. The easy way, I guess not, some are really desperated or can not deal anymore with the depression. A depression is serious shit and not always medication is the way to get out of that.

An attempt is calling for help if you want to kill yourself for real you just do it without any change somebody helps you anymore.

Another fact is... that girls attempts are 3 times more than boys. That is because they usually choose less violent means. And also boys are more set to complete the task because they'd be even more humliated to be labeled "weak" if they didn't "succeed". That's why they usually use guns or rope as opposed to overdosing and wrist cutting.

They don't want to be labeled "weak" indeed. That's terrible.

Suicide Attempts = WEAK
Suicide = Thank you for not half-assing it...

Either that or it's because they know that they'll surely get dragged off to the loony bin should they try and fail.

Suicide might make sense if you're trapped atop a burning building (the WTC being the classic example), entering the latter stages of an incurable disease, or perhaps even facing a long prison sentence, but that really is about it.

Try to off yourself for some dumb ass reason like love gone bad and the men in the white coats will indeed come for you... and with good reason :2 cents:

Facing a long prison sentence?? = COWARD

The men in the white coats. At least it's not the men in the yellow coats.

Bump for more thoughts.

Suicide is something unspeakably terrible and actual suicide attempts are the ultimate cries for help by a truly hurting and distraught human being... :(




...that being said, there are also emotionally manipulative people who will frivolously threaten to commit suicide, in order to imprison others in destructive relationships based on guilt and fear... and those people are the ultimate assholes in my book. :mad:

I knew a guy (no, not me thankfully) who lived with this completely fucking neurotic girl for years simply because every time he tried to leave her she said: "I'll be dead by tomorrow if you go" and he, being a really nice guy, didn't want to have to live with that... Finally he told her that he just didn't care anymore and walked out and wouldn't you know it; she's still very much alive, fucking bitch! :1orglaugh