Shows a lot about you and your program :2 cents:

Dealing with a known scammer and then defending him when there are 1000's of people been scammed by him and 100's of posts on every real forum you post on.

Either you are happy to support a known scammer or are to stupid to do any research

Doesn't say alot about you or your program does it :2 cents:

It is not my program.

What I posted was my personal experience. Don't like it? Tough.

Kiss the money good bye, or sometimes he pays people if they shout loud enough for long enough. But usually he just posts some shit denying the claims on his fake forum, backed up by his fake nics and then deletes any other posts anyone else makes.

A lesson learnt,do some research before you deal with people like this shit head.

Search on google and find 100's of threads about him and his fake forum

I do like.

Now I know you are happy to back up a KNOWN scammer and thats always good to know. :thumbsup

Good to know ragecash or whoever it is you are a the sandwich boy for, are happy to employ people who support known scammers :2 cents:

That stuff and the phone call on gg&j was pure comedy genius and remember it like it was yesterday. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Scammer ... 100% shadey as all hell.

Damn. Some harsh words. Fucking brutal.
:Oh crap

Scammer. Was outed by Greenguy & Jim in 2005. They even called him up which was hilarious. If people still after all that, want to do business with him, they're idiots.

-N

The problem is he have 50/50 tactic-he scam 50 percent of people with who he doing biz,while he is honest with other 50 percent.And that causing those people defending him and not believing about his scamming.Also someone should dig gfy threads about him i think you can found here plenty of them too.

Welcome to 2005 :2 cents:

The truth is out there... just Google it. :1orglaugh

Interesting... anyone has any more info?

Where in Canada does he live? His address? etc.

More interesting materials...

http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...p/t-14902.html

Jim & I were just having a lovely conversation with The Butcher over on Sponsor Chat but......

The thread was deleted from his server :(

Jim & I are now also banned from his board.

But.......

We have copies :)

The only thing missing from this thread was my last reply, basically asking for a 3rd time what I asked in my 1st post. The 1st page might be a bit hard to read, but I think everyone will get the gist :)

Jim & I just wanted to get this out & online so that everyone could see - you can make your own judgments :)

Never heard anything bad about him until...now

I put the butcher, joe brandi and jon atherton in the same class of people. Absolute pure shit bags. They both LIE their asses off for your money. I can't believe anyone would defend them with all of the scamming threads out there. I would NEVER trust or do business with anyone that defends those pieces of shit. :2 cents:

would you be friends with a pedo just becuase he hasn't molested your daughter yet? "Yes, I heard he molested the Smith's daughter, but, he's ok with me, he never touched my daughter, so he's still my buddy."


some of you people are "raging" idiots and you just ousted yourselves in this thread.

~Ray

You have to hand it to The Butcher. Never have I seen one guy get so much free publicity. And he did all of it with just one copy of vbulletin.

At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if "The Butcher" is guilty of scamming or just creative marketing. It depends on your business ethics really. But I was banned from his board for asking him questions about the number of page views his threads were getting, against Alexa data and why so many people had joined his vbulletin board using names such as "yr093r302fe3".

At the time Google's cache had captured his entire vbulletin memberlist which showed a massive number of inactive members, all with spurious names. At the time The Butcher claimed that his board had been 'hacked' and that the names had appeared by some malicious person with access to his admin. He also blamed his moderators.

Anyone who knows vbulletin will know that even super moderators don't have access to the admin. But it doesn't matter because the QUESTION you have to ask yourself is, WHO would benefit from his board showing a massive membership?

I also remember one of his early sponsors having a banner image in her sig file.... she compared this with her server stats and found that the number of views for the topic matched the number of views in her stats... but unfortunately (for The Butcher) 90% of the hits to that image were coming from the same IP. So basically in a nutshell he was refreshing threads over and over to give the impression that the board was busy.

The main problem being that he was deceiving potential sponsors who would be fooled into thinking the board was very active, when in reality it was not.

Anyone who called him out was labeled a hacker, a liar or just jealous of his status as the leading adult board. He spammed every email address, ICQ number, he created threads about companies using anonymous accounts and then contacted them to register on his board and answer the questions, which he had asked in the first place.

Hell, there's even a thread on B&B mentioning that he had pre-registered accounts for people on his vbulletin system and then emailed the log-in details to people, just coz he had their email address.

There's loads more.... but it's mainly about money and paying moderators and stuff.

If you want more info ask Greenguy or Jim, as they probably still have his real address and phone number from when they exposed him on their old Radio Show.

i was approached by him a few times when i started out..

he never ripped me off, but i never gave him opportunity

others similar did profit from my initial naivety though..

Very concise and nicely written, thanks for the useful info, urb, I appreciate you writing all this.

Bro why u not renew ur ad bro? sup bro? bro

yea makes sense, all the fucking arabs in canada do this. I hate that shit
is he in quebec?

That sucks... what a guy

I forgot one thing... if you go into the vbulletin admin...

vbulletin options> cookies and http header options> session timeout>

there's a number value which is measured in seconds...

I cannot remember how many seconds vbulletin has as a default, but typically something like phpbb uses 5 minutes which is 300 seconds.

It was a simple test, but logging into SC resulted in at least 24 hours of your account showing up in the "Who's Online" list. For this to occur an administrator MUST HAVE set this value to at least 86400 seconds.

Supermoderators do not have access to this part of the vbulletin admin, so it really boils down to one person. A person who had everything to gain by his forum showing 2000+ people currently online 24 hours a day.

In legal speak,I think they call it "Cui Bono". :2 cents:

I found about juicyads in his forum, Im glad I bumped on him while I was selling some tube domains

old news: http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...hlight=butcher

Thanks for interesting link. :thumbsup

I've only had positive experiences with him, any time money was involved there was never a single issue.

I've done business with him in the past and would again.

His name is

vachagan altounian He is an Armenian living in Canada, his name isn't dave and he isnt English

He is a well known scammer and not a very clever one.

One thing vachagan altounian does is pay back the odd very small deal, thats why you get the odd small time webmaster saying he is OK but just search on google for his fake forum and all his scams.

There are 100's and 100's of threads and posts about this filthy fuck

But he does pay back the odd small fry webmaster so the odd person will say they were not scammed. But its always for a few cents and they are always just small time retards

Ok, thanks for the infos.

Bump because this thread contains good information.

Another bump.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump...

This is the last time I am bumping this. Fellow webmasters... beware...

Now this is really the last bump...

and when he runs out of people to scam.. you are next.

hello ........ i am the next.


the guy is scammer.

yep stats are inaccurate and in my opinion most likely intentionally inflated.

that most certainly is a fraud , scam or whatever else you want to call it ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud


if you care about roi on your advertising budget then pass over the **deals he is offering.

what happened moxxx?

damn thats messed up

I have never done buisness with him either but I will say that he has always seemed very nice the times when we have spoken with one another.

legendary butcher..

what an info... bump for this thread

Scammers are always nice....