Once again... Because it's the only option for a lot of people. The big popular billers can be pretty strict, especially if you aren't american or your content is of a more alternative fetish nature than softcore teens.

I initially chose Verotel because they did not charge $750 for Visa.

Ok, is tis shit related to "unpaid" check that just got back from the anck. Isnt verotel and epoch the same thing?

no they are two different companies

Looks like verotel is kaput. Can't imagine anyone staying with them after this, since this is a full years worth of transactions, so even if it's not faul play, they gona lose customers. WTF. Even if it were true, and the debit company fucked them up hard, the members that were not billed still got access to your product. By all common sense, verotel should eat the damages, or sue the debit company. Not look for means to compensate from webmasters. You did your part by giving users product.
If i used them, i'd move in an instant.

That sounds right to me. No sense throwing the baby out with the bath water!

i hereby deem this scamming bullshit "the Verotel bailout plan"

If Joost zuurbier is still teh big men there, then prepare yourself, suck an ass!

why is that ?

He fucked me over in the past.

Did you get an accounting of the transactions from Verotel yet?

i wrote them yesterday asking for that and have heard nothing back from them

I would pull all links to verotel as a payment option until I got an accounting sheet....you are an idiot if you don't

:thumbsup

Damn I hate to see them go down like this....I've never processed with Verotel but it was always nice to know that I could use them "Just in Case".....

I know Ricosworld processes with them, plus I and a lot of other people are affiliates so I know he's getting hammered right now....

sounds fishy to me.

that's why i asked for accounting first.it makes no sense.

Is Verotel also sending letters like this out to affiliates who were paid from these transactions, or are the site owners being held responsible for those payments as well?

damn mate
last year I pay 1480, but in my case we found one webmaster who use stolen credit cards, but question remain, why verotel did not close account of that webmaster in first sign of trouble, so he has enough time to make that bog amount with that cards. Now I am on ccbill

Verotel... Isn't that the same company that said people using Stats Remote to check their stats were "hammering" their servers and causing them to go offline? Quality company!

See dude. That is exactly what I was saying this weekend.

where you somewhere else when you were saying it because i honestly don't remember talking about something like this. lol

Nope lol. I think Boss1's post was misinterpreted by many. I understood it the way it's playing out now and it's bs. At the end of the day, my understanding is, the site owner was giving away free access thanks to a verotel screw up.

Verotel is the bottom of the list in third party billers.

Tech Support is the worst.
Rates are the worst.

But you can get processing for just about any site.
So they should be treated as the last resort in billing options.

Tony if I were you I'd tell Verotel to go suck a dick. If they want to come after you for 1K let them have at it....I doubt they'd bother.

I'd remove their ability to write to the htpasswd file and put a note in the members area...or email all members that signed up with verotel and tell them to cancel.
Have them sign up through another processor and give them an extra month free for the hassle.....it's not many members anyways.

If I had alot of rebills with them that were legit and that I was hoping to get paid on later I might bite the bullet, but it looks like almost all of the signups you did through them aren't going to make you any money....so fuck em.

www.epoch.com

www.ccbill.com

I get letters saying they owe me money.... why would you use small companies like verotel anyways? to save a few % is it really worth the 3% in the long run of things?

you can always piggyback off of friends and there good accounts with epoch and ccbill....

it's very easy to create sub accounts and have payments go directly to the subaccount owner

ive neverhad a prob getting anything approved with the bigger companies and as you know I have nasty content

Anyone know?

pfft. only americans and brits sue.

They were just a backup they were only doing 10 members a month. That little amount of signups wasn't worth paying another $750 to epoch. Im surprised I expected something back today from them breaking everything down and I got nothing so we will see. I deleted 330 rebills with ibill in one day, so Im not going to lose any sleep canceling the handful here if I have to.

no doubt.... I just never trust any of these small companies


if I were you id tell verotel to fuck off and take you to court if they want the money....


I joined a site with verotel once and had to call to cancel then when I did I could barley understand the fuck on the phone and he did not cancel me... so I charged the fuck back twice... very shady company from the get go....

oh and 10 members a month at 29.95 is 300 a month so 2.5 months your even on visa fees and rest of the year your all profit thats better than letters saying you owe a billing company LOL

you got a point lol

I just see so many people who want to save a few % on the fees and it's really not worth it... stick with big name companies... plus once you pay the 750 your done.. just a yearly fee of like 300 bucks... not to bad... and again trustworthy companies....


one time epoch missed a payment to me I talked with rand it was overnighted to me the next day double what they owed I told em and they said thats for your probs...

thats a real company....

Are they going to take it as a lump sum (meaning you get no holdback returned until the "debt" is covered) or are they going to stagger the repayments? You might want to clarify this with them. :2 cents:

Can't see how tony404 doing $1300 worth of DD transactions would result in a $1089 error... 85% of the transactions were fraudulent???

Where is boneprone to call it a shake down

in my case they are taking all of the holdback, and then $100 for 20 weeks out of rebills (which aint gonna happen cause i am canceling all members as we speak)

in my case it's 100% of the DD transactions. i heard from webmasters who are getting more than 100% :) asked verotel how that is possible, no reply except that some unspecified date in the future they will send me a list of fraudulent transactions

I'm curious as to if these transactions were all direct debit.
I've never had any issue with them as far as credit card processing is concerned, and smaller affiliates like them because they are paid directly with no minimum payout.
They've never been late on a payout, and the rate is better than any of the others I get for third party.
But...you get what you pay for in the tech support. I tried their direct debit and their check solutions, both of which ended up with far too large of a credit/return/bounce/chargeback to really take seriously as a billing option.
I've also noticed an unusual number of "credit" transactions, with reasons like "did not expect rebill". THe first year that I was with Verotel I had exactly one, and that was a credit transaction I initiated. I had a total of three chargebacks that year. Now I get that weekly.
hooray for billing cascasdes.

Verotel doesnt really sucks as many of you said. It is true that their DDEU transactions were fucked up by their German aquiring bank. What in fact happened is that Verotel processed this direct debit transactions on your behalf (as well as mine), issued the invoice, sent you the money but they actually never got the money from the bank. They have been screwed by the bank themselves. After all this happened i personally had well over $10k cut from future invoices because they actually sent me the money for these direct debit transactions but afterwards they have never been settled with the aquiring bank.

exactly

so this is all about direct debet that went wrong? cause some sites do a shitload off in germany

If the bank isn't going to pay and Verotel has resorted to culling funds from their own clients then I guess that means they won't be taking any legal action against the bank?...

Damn, really not a good sign at all.

Oh man that sucks.

Well i think i was a bit wrong so a correction to the above statement is due. Their aquiring banks never got the money from the customers` banks.
As in the note in the Verotel control panel regarding the DDEU transactions says:

So that sounds just like what it is. Verotel processed them on our behalf; their aquiring bank did approved them as well but in the end they have been unable to collect the money from the customers` bank accounts. Well as i said i have been affected as well but i juts have to live with it.
Other than this issue Verotel looks to me personally as one of the most professional company in the 3rf party processing market.

Regards

sig spot :rasta

some problems with the "most professional company":

1. it took them 3 years to notice this. the issue applies to 06, 07 and 08.

2. initial quote for what i owe them included 100% of the transactions BEFORE the verotel fee of around 14%. that means they wanted me to pay back more than what i actually received

3. it is almost 2 months since the initial letter quoted a dollar amount i "owe" them out of thin air and still no list of affected transactions are provided. i am supposed to just believe them

4. the way they notified us is unprofessional imho and shows lack of respect for their clients. that girl sarah that called me, according to herself, is a new employee and doesn't fully understand the issue. she was hired specifically to call the webmasters and to get them to agree to pay the money back without too much fuss

if they were "the most professional company", they would write off the whole issue as their own mistake, fix the problem so it doesn't happen again and move on, instead of passing the entire cost on to the webmasters who didn't do anything wrong

tony404 your dog is dope!

Haha, these motherfuckers are great. You have to be retarded to pay them without full documentation and probably a lawsuit in most cases.

This thing is completely bullshit and anyone that disagree deserves an anal ravaging.

They fucked up they should really be eating it.

In most mainstream businesses if they fuck up they make up for it they don't make the client pay for it.. Verotel.. actually adult in general has balls to fuck with people..

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