Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 15553798)

Its alright that you dont understand.

Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15553836)

How the fuck do you "invade" a country with only intercontinental missiles?

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 15553676)

So they attack a military base. Good thinking on that one, no guns there.

Originally Posted by C-Bass (Post 15553872)

Member "Tomahawk" Missiles? Gulf War? Kuwait? Iraq? etc etc etc....

Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15553875)

Do you see no difference in dropping bombs from airplanes vs. sending in enough ground troops to invade the US? Your ignorance knows no bounds... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by MDCQ (Post 15553706)

Sounds like people just looking for something to whine about with the word Obama in it for pageviews. Same shit different day blah blah blah. This won't effect anyone here personally and you all know it. None of you keyboard warriors drive around with full autos or even have them in your homes for that matter. Now a total ban on guns, I can see bitching, maybe you should read a little harder or find something more useful to whine about.

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 15554137)

Fact: A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the ban. Voting record for the 10-year ban, includes John McCain.

50/53 (94.3%) Democrats voted for the legislation.
45/47 (95.7%) Republicans voted for the legislation.

Republicans supporting the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act: Richard Shelby (AL), Frank Murkowski, Ted Stevens (AK), John McCain (AZ), Kit Bond (MO), Conrad Burns (MT), Judd Gregg, Robert C. Smith (NH), Pete Domenici (NM), Al D'Amato (NY), Lauch Faircloth, Jesse Helms (NC), Don Nickles (OK), Bob Packwood (OR), Arlen Specter (PA), John Chafee (RI), Strom Thurmond (SC), Larry Pressler (SD), Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX), Hank Brown, Ben Campbell (CO), William Roth (DE), Connie Mack (FL), Paul Coverdell (GA), Larry Craig, Dirk Kempthorne (ID), Dan Coats, Richard Lugar (IN), Chuck Grassley (IA), Bob Dole, Nancy Kassebaum (KS), Mitch McConnell (KY), William Cohen (ME), Thad Cochran, Trent Lott (MS), Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch (UT), Jim Jeffords (VT), John Warner (VA), Slade Gorton (WA), Alan Simpson, Malcolm Wallop (WY)

Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15554232)

That's a moot point for me. I'm not a Republican.

Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 15553896)

You can bomb a country all day with intercontinental missiles, but you need ground troops for a successful invasion. Unless you go Hiroshima x100 and try to kill everyone you do not win without ground troops.

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 15554486)

Obama ran as a hard leftist and now everyone acts surprised when he keeps his word.

Originally Posted by roly (Post 15554430)

but do you honestly believe a country wouldn't invade the US becuase some of the civilian population was armed? afghanistan is one of the most armed country's in the world, that didn't stop the russians or US.

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15554565)

People owning assault weapons is fucking stupid, period. There is no reason Joe Redneck should ever own an M16. So he can shoot deer? fuck that.

For arguments sake, let's say Joe Redneck is completely responsible with this gun, jerks off to the firepower, locks it up at night, etc. The problem is the fact that the M16 is available to Joe Redneck. When it's available to Joe Redneck, it's also available to anyone and before we know it, banks are getting robbed by people holding M16's, cops are getting shot at, gangs are shooting up neighborhoods like war zones.

It's bad enough there are more guns than people on the streets, so the damage is long done there. Banning regular guns (which should have been done before the damage) wouldn't do shit now because the black market would have no problem supplying criminals for many, many years even if another gun is never made in the world.

I'm glad Obama is pissing off the rednecks now to prevent our streets from eventually turning into war zones.

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15554565)

People owning assault weapons is fucking stupid, period. There is no reason Joe Redneck should ever own an M16. So he can shoot deer? fuck that.

For arguments sake, let's say Joe Redneck is completely responsible with this gun, jerks off to the firepower, locks it up at night, etc. The problem is the fact that the M16 is available to Joe Redneck. When it's available to Joe Redneck, it's also available to anyone and before we know it, banks are getting robbed by people holding M16's, cops are getting shot at, gangs are shooting up neighborhoods like war zones.

It's bad enough there are more guns than people on the streets, so the damage is long done there. Banning regular guns (which should have been done before the damage) wouldn't do shit now because the black market would have no problem supplying criminals for many, many years even if another gun is never made in the world.

I'm glad Obama is pissing off the rednecks now to prevent our streets from eventually turning into war zones.

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 15553692)

Pearl Harbor was a sitting duck. Japan did not invade the mainland because they knew citizens were armed.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15554802)

Earth to moron assault weapons arent for hunting deer you idiot.

They are so that the citizens can overthrow a tyrannical government.

You may be OK licking jackboots....good for you have at it.

You want my guns? Come get em.

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15554827)

Congrats, you're one of the brainwashed dumb fuck citizens the government counts on. Way to support the idiocracy. :thumbsup

Do you know how many crimes are committed with LEGAL firearms versus ILLEGAL firearms? Lets put a spectrum number to all crimes committed with firearms and say the number is 100. So out of that 100, 1 or 2 would be attributed to persons using a legally obtained firearm to commit a crime.

It is an absolutely ridiculous idea, and down right lacking in ANY intelligence, to believe that taking guns out of the hands of "LAW ABIDING" citizens will reduce crime. Criminals do not care about laws and will obtain their firearms the way the always have, by stealing them or buying them out of the trunk of an illegal gun runner/dealer.

Please wake the fuck up and get a grip on reality. :disgust

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15555097)

Maybe if you rednecks grew up in places where you could close your eyes, throw a rock and hit a crack house, or seen armed gang members roam the streets fucking with everyone they seen, or if you've had a gun pulled on you a number of times (like I have), you guys would give a fuck about whether or not they had access to assault weapons.

I'm the one who lives in reality. I see this shit on a daily basis. You guys have no fucking clue what you're talking about, it's sad really. Go jerk off on your guns, and sleep with your false sense of security that it actually makes a difference. I tell you one thing, if some guys come up and surprise you with guns to your face, you may think about reaching for your gun, but you will know full well your head will be on the sidewalk before you even make it.

Owning guns may make you feel all tough, which I know you badly need because you probably got your ass handed to you in fights growing up, but I guaran-fucking-tee when push comes to shove, you'd be shitting your pants whether you own a piece or not

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 15554802)

Earth to moron assault weapons arent for hunting deer you idiot.

They are so that the citizens can overthrow a tyrannical government.

You may be OK licking jackboots....good for you have at it.

You want my guns? Come get em.

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15555308)

You're an idiot. Where did I say to take the guns out of law abiding citizens?

Calling me a moron, yet can't read. Irony.

I'm talking about assault weapons, and not making them available to anyone any longer. I already said there is little we could do about regular guns, and not once did I call for the banning of regular guns. There is absolutely no need for anyone not in the military to own an assault weapon. None. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You're just one of those redneck retards all paranoid someone is going to come in and take away your only sense of security. Next time, put down the Keystone Light, pull your sister off your lap and try reading a little bit before you get your sisters panties in a bunch (which of course you are likely wearing)

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15554565)

The problem is the fact that the M16 is available to Joe Redneck. When it's available to Joe Redneck, it's also available to anyone and before we know it, banks are getting robbed by people holding M16's, cops are getting shot at, gangs are shooting up neighborhoods like war zones.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 15555316)

I guess all of the school shootings and crazy fucks who snap are for the greater good when this actually happens. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15555389)

When I say guns I am STAYING ON TOPIC OF THE THREAD. Please do the same, fuckstick. I am lashing against this stupid remark you made

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15555389)

Who in their right fucking mind thinks criminals get their "assault weapons" from licensed dealers?

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15555425)

they will simply look for another means.

Originally Posted by Darkland

Hey moron, trying using what little brain cells you have left and try to follow what I am saying... I will keep it short for you.

"It is an absolutely ridiculous idea, and down right lacking in ANY intelligence, to believe that taking guns out of the hands of "LAW ABIDING" citizens will reduce crime. Criminals do not care about laws and will obtain their firearms the way the always have, by stealing them or buying them out of the trunk of an illegal gun runner/dealer."

Banning guns WILL NOT remove them from the hands of the people (criminals) that you are talking about.

Please tell me you are not that stupid and if you DID live in those areas you would already KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT. You think that drug dealer went down to the gun store, put his name through the federal background check, and got a gun he KNOWS he will be using in criminal activity?

Originally Posted by Ethersync

This is all besides the point though. Bottom line is the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in our Constitution as the last of our checks and balances. This right is to protect us from our own government if it were to become tyrannical.

Originally Posted by Darkland

Who in their right fucking mind thinks criminals get their "assault weapons" from licensed dealers?

I was in a LE type career for many years and service, trained in multiple uses of various firearms in almost any situation as well as other types of self defense. I dont even OWN an assault rifle. Far from a coward, but hey, you are probably the only person to ever live in a shitty neighborhood or dealt with lowlifes. Something like that?

You do not know me motherfucker so keep you dumb fucking assumptions to yourself.

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15555600)

Again, put down the Keystone Light and re-read what I said. Just manufacturing them and selling them to law abiding people allows the criminals to get them. This isn't meth where dealers can make the shit in their basement. Between the manufacturer and Mr. Keystone Light, the assault weapons have to pass through way too many hands which increases chances of corruption at every stop.

Or do you have your head in the sand and believe guns are made at some factory, and in a completely secure fashion, delivered to 100% lawful gun dealers who all have no intent to grease their pockets on the side? Ahh, what a world you must live in to believe that.

That's reality for you. Every assault weapon some company makes increases the chances of it ending up in the hands of some thug and eventually pointed at you when he's stealing your wallet (or worse).

But shit, even if the entire process was 100% secure, I still don't think retard no-brain Americans should have such power in their house. I mean where do you draw the line? Are you going to be demanding tanks next? Shit, I think every citizen should have a nuke in their house! I guarantee nobody will be breaking in if I have a nuke hanging around.

Originally Posted by Doug E (Post 15556030)

Most of those illegal firearms at one point came from legal sources. If there is no legal source for these guns to be illegally obtained over time there will be fewer and fewer guns for criminals as they fall into disrepair. This may not reduce crime of course, that's more of a social issue, it should however reduce the amount of people killed during crime as there really is no better personal weapon for killing both intended victims and innocent bystanders than a firearm.



Your government became more tyrannical during Bush Jr's first term. What did Americans do? They voted him in for another 4 years. I highly doubt the people that care to own assault rifles would have the collective intelligence or ambition to organize any sort of resistance against a true tyrant if they were even able to recognize one. That's not to say every gun owner is a retard, I know a lot of bright dudes, I just happen to disagree with them on a lot of points, but I gotta say most of the guys I do know or have come across that are gun nuts are not the sharpest individuals. They would likely be the first to be brainwashed into following a tyrannical leader in the name of 'liberty', chanting 'U.S.A.' as they march into Iraq or a like nation that poses no military threat to them. If I was a true tyrant president today, I'd start a little war in say Iran, send over all the patriotic gun happy people and the unemployed lower classes to keep them busy and out of the country fighting for their liberty as I slowly strip it from the people at home that are too busy with their lives to either notice or take to the streets in protest.



What type of LE career did you have that molded your opinion that more guns in homes will help prevent criminals from illegally obtaining guns from legal gun owners? I'm curious because most people in law enforcement that I know feel the opposite way you do.

In my country we have stronger gun laws and less gun crime than you do. Our criminals do however get guns as we were once more lax on our gun laws and still have many criminally popular weapons in circulation. Not nearly the number the U.S. has of course. Unfortunately what we have been seeing in the last decade is more and more weapons being smuggled from the U.S., North into our country. We wouldn't have that problem if your country had similar laws to ours. Mexico and Central America too, would have much fewer weapons available to their criminals and gangs if it weren't for all the weapons legally manufactured in the USA and sold to/or smuggled there.

Sure these criminals, the more sophisticated and organized they are will always find a way to obtain firearms, but making it easier for them just means they have access to better weapons and more of them.

The fewer guns available A. the more they go up in price and B. The fewer there are to steal. The average citizen will have to worry less that the crackhead/burglar breaking into his home is armed with a firearm because that weapon is more valuable to the crackhead to sell to more sophisticated criminals. There will also be fewer firearms for that crackhead to steal from homes of citizens so there will be fewer guns in the hands of small time gang bangers and broke ass crackheads, the direct danger to the citizenry. More sophisticated criminals are less concern to the average citizen as their business doesn't usually involve directly harming citizens. So with fewer legal guns available there are fewer guns to be illegally owned by the kinds of criminals who harm normal citizens. Not overnight of course, but over time.

Originally Posted by Doug E (Post 15556030)

What type of LE career did you have that molded your opinion that more guns in homes will help prevent criminals from illegally obtaining guns from legal gun owners? I'm curious because most people in law enforcement that I know feel the opposite way you do.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 15553255)

Good for him. Nothing worse than a dumb redneck with an automatic weapon.

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15556095)

You are BOTH fucking idiots, not only are you twisting what I mean you can't even see the much larger picture. You actually think they will shut down the manufacture of assault weapons because of this ban... WAKE UP DIPSHITS, WHO DO YOU THINK SELLS TO THE MILITARY. Even if they DID shut down manufacture in this country, somebody will come along and say, "Hey... You criminals want some guns, I got some good ones I just smuggled in."

Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15556095)

Not only that but our forefathers put our right to bear arms into place for a reason. Mike South already hit upon it.

Originally Posted by C-Bass (Post 15553800)

FACT - if Russia or China really want to invade the U.S. they will just develop some intercontinental missiles, launch their shit from the Arctic, Canada, or sub's and when shit is in ruins, invade.

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 15552986)

Yup disarming the population and only leaving the drug lords with the guns. Sounds pretty smart to me!

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15552999)

i don't really see what business the public has owning full on assault rifles.

Originally Posted by vanillaice (Post 15556280)

which ideally would keep perfect inventory of their weapons.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 15553255)

Good for him. Nothing worse than a dumb redneck with an automatic weapon.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15556639)

throwing over the government that worked when it was muskets against muskets. Now it would never work I dont care how many m16s you can buy. Be real.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 15553515)

People kill people.
Mexicans don't obey US law.
An assault rifle ban will not stop the flow of guns in/out of Mexico.

US Citizens have lots of guns and the right to bear arms is in the constitution.

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