I have tube domains for sale if anyone is interested, and no, Twistys has no legal grounds to take them. :2 cents:

That would suck. I am sure there a lot of people who might have generic domains such as gay.com who would be very weary of any precedent being set regarding generic domains :winkwink:

The tighter the market gets the more people will look for alternative ways to make money. If everyone was doing 10,000 joins a day nobody would be suing anyone. This is all part of what most people call 'consolidation.'

The problem with going the legal route isn't that it never works, it's that it works too well and it quickly feeds on itself. Look at other industries that have a longer track record than adult online for examples. It will become a game of checking the top Alexa 2500 domains and seeing who can sue who for what. Trademark is one angle, but far from the only one.

The real issue is once the lawsuits start flying and a minority get the idea in their head that its more cost effective to sue people than it is to generate sales, suing people will become its own cottage industry.

Much like the tubes themselves, that will lead to Company X claiming they are only suing Company Y because some other company sued Company X before or because Company Y sued someone. In the end the largest percentage of the windfalls will go to the lawyers and the lawyers will perpetuate the cycle by "suggesting' more lawsuits.

Im not saying Shap is wrong, im not saying hardsextube is wrong. I'm saying if you think tube sites have fucked up this industry badly, just wait until there are a few hundred more lawyers digging their way through it and piling on lawsuits.

In the end, nobody wins.

Settle your disputes amicably. Don't try to take every dime off the table and work things out like gentlemen. The alternative is not just lawsuits.... it's not winning because you think you have a strong case THIS time.... it's more litigation all the time and the only people who make out ahead in that are lawyers. :2 cents:

P.S. - $10 says a well thought out partnership would net more income for twistys AND more income for hardsextube in the end.

Will this thread be made into a movie? :)

Dont feel like reading 12 pages ....

Does anyone know who Shap's attorney is ??? Just curious...

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have any recommendations for HD video sites would you? I have a bit of a HD mania if you know what I mean.

The only person who can legally say what will happen, posting in this thread right here. :thumbsup

Ohh dont get me wrong, I dont feel sorry for him.. He stole plenty of my shit.
Also, about that analogy, I bet you someone could open cheddar cheese house if there was a cheese house. It would depend on location too. I have plenty of domains that are registered trademarks. It helps, but you aren't going to change the world with one.
Duke

Exactly. Whoever is doing this sextube.com shit should be fucked in the ass by the devil that shit is beyond ridiculous.

Oh here we go again... Shap doesn't know someone and they are "anonymous".

Maybe time to get over your ego.

WTF ?? :1orglaugh

Who bothers to buy up a name like that and not even make a thread to brag about it?

Jaguar. Penthouse.

Ironic.

Nobody's defending content theft. In fact, the issue of content theft can be sidestepped completely. Do you think Shap is entitled to domains like asiansextube.com and teensextube.com which are being used legitimately without content theft?

Yeah, it'd be great to see some illegal tube site get fucked over. But not in a way that obliges Shap to go after other people with infringing domains which are being used for legitimate promotion of adult websites.

Unless I'm misreading here, and correct me if I'm wrong, the 'sextube' trademark wasn't registered until after hardsextube as a domain was registered. In which case, this shit about him building a site on the back of your trademark is exactly that - shit.

The way I see it, he deserves a load of shit for putting up 45 minute stolen videos, so in one respect tough titties, but to TM sextube with the express intent of gaining tons of related domain names is nothing more than a biz opportunity. Fair play, but don't dress it up as 'protecting our trademark'.

Oh, and the stolen content card? Please.... you look like a hypocritical cunt even bringing that up in your argument. Like you wouldn't have gone for the domain if it had all 2 min clips approved by sponsors lol. Bottom line is you WOULD still go for the domain, so that's a moot point, and from what I see, you TM'd *after* his domain was reg'd, not at the time sextube was reg'd.

Unless, like I say, I'm reading it wrong.

Wonder if these guys got a letter too.

http://sexiertube.com/

I think you need to go back to trademark school my friend. Claiming a trademark is not the only way how you can protect your name.

Shap , while looking thru some trademark stuff i noticed a funny coincidence.

You registered sextube 8 days after a different company called sextube ( the company blue titan media , you spoke about fighting earlier "officialsextube" ) applied for a trademark on "pornotube". Coincidence ?

p.s. not trying to stir shit but you mentioned you regged sextube to protect the name just like twistys, is there more to the story ?

You responded with this when I suggested a compromise. Can you elaborate as to what exactly you want from him if you aren't interested in destroying his livelihood?

does anyone have a trademark on "SexBlog" ?

If so, they could steal all the SexBlog domains too.

You mean they could send letters threatening to steal all the sexblog related domains. :winkwink:

No side taken here...
BUT!
I have to agree with EroticSexxx...this is gonna open a can of worms that NONE of us affiliates need in this industry...especially with paysite owners looking for more and more ways to cut us out.

The gov'ment doesn't have to step in and police our shit...if they leave us alone long enough we'll kill each other...the same thinking the KKK (and undercover racist sympathizers) survives on.

If paysites "kill" the affiliates they'll be hurting themselves more than they think...the proof can be shown if WE webmasters rise up as a single force and pull links (only prob is those affiliates that are converting like mad with the bad guys, they figure more of a conversion for them, fuck that other muthafucka, i'm gettin' paid!)...they're not going to lighten their wallets for the greater good). Even though they're commiting affiliate suicide.

This thread is just ANOTHER reason for affiliates to band together.

With sponsors fucking us on xsells, we have sponsor-owned tube ads to contend with.

Then full movie, sponsor content uploads from those pesky "rouge affiliates" was (and apparently still is) the excuse for fucking us over...

Now (thanks to Twisty's/Shap's "lawyers") it's reverse domain hijacking using the excuse of protecting their trademark...it won't end until us affiliates are irrelevant to paysite sponsors.

Little by little they're cutting into us, figuring out new ways to take our money.

We REALLY need to band together and start pulling links/traffic from these sponsors, they say (not to us affiliates directly of course) it won't matter but NUMBERS don't lie when they notice traffic dropping off...

and BTW, no there is not. Go TM it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?...4010:eap54.4.5

i have sexblogblog . com :)

Will they take my domain? :) Or i can trademark that and get all domains :)

RUH ROH

http://www.hardsextube.com/resolving-problems-huh.jpg

Fuck I think i going to have a party with twisty's Shap start to become more and more (like most affiliate programs) act like leeches. Let the affiliates make us and then turn them down on every possible way.

Fuck Twistys. Fuck Shap. This is disgusting. Who is Shap's lawyer?

did i mention i own twistysporn.net

I wish I had a SexTube name, Id love to go head to head with Twistys, I beat eBays wrath so beating Twistys should be even ezier.

I will be looking for SexTube names today, tomorrow and so on.

Talk to you later Twistys...

PLEASE PEOPLE, DONT HAND YOUR DOMAINS OVER TO THIS DESPERATE COMPANY.

ok this proves it shap you need to fire your lawyer, he is not a trademark expert at all
anti-cybersquatting consumer protection act is a US law and only apply to trademark disputes between two US companies.

Threatening a non-US company with such a law, means your lawyer is an idiot who really doesn't understand INTERNATIONAL trademark law very well.

The good trademark lawyers cost you at least $500/hour, don't deal with the bargain basement priced lawyers who are going to represent you for $100-200/hour or you will keep making mistakes like this.

http://www.sandsebolt.com/

I sent them an email about trademarking SexBlog and sending letters of intent to everyone who owns an adult blog with the word sex it in it. :) All your domains are belong to us.

+5 pages for sure.

This is one epic fail.

Shap used to be considered one of the good guys.

Guess he does not need the little people anymore.

Exactly what I said. To protect our name. We had applied for the trademark before them. Our original trademark lawyers didn't feel it was urgent. So they applied for Canada first then US. So Canada was applied in July 2006 and then US in December. These guys tried to steal the domain from us. So we had to go into emergency mode to protect ourselves. Like I said the trademark was to protect ourselves.

Joel i'll be contacting you today. If you think you are funny you'll see what funny is.

Really? If you are so concerned about your name that why did you not already down twistysporn.net ????

Better yet why do you not own twistysporn.com

You scare me so much.

That domain was not 'stealing traffic' from you NOR infringing on your 'trademarks'.

This is just a money suck, what a fucking weak company.

Are you going to DMCA any site that mentions the words sextube and have them removed from the serps also?

Might as well make it a full sweep.

This thread is turning LOL in a very fast pace.

Twistys getting crusified...

If i trade mark Xtube, who will transfer all domains to me, i want seXTUBE.com too!?

I don't know! You're cute and I'm lost for words...