Why do people ever bother to discuss anything deeper than "would you hit it" here. Almost all the posters on this board are anti anything that would prove an existence beyond being stoned and fucking anything that moves anyway.

Could this be a possbility?

Now, let us not involve a creator like God in a multiuniverse.

There couldn't be a purpose big enough, to let us all go through different multiuniverses.

If there is multiuniverses, I believe the purpose of it, is to break down your universal thoughts in different layers and fragments you have left on earth.

Which could be one reason why some sensitive people get
flashbacks and visions when they step in a room.

It's recyling, just like batteries.

Some may get aware of that the mind, "soul energy" and memories are going to get
breaked down in a process.

You may have the fortune to interact on the first levels, just as in your dream when you may be able to think.

But... you will never again wake up and get back to full awerness again, like we have here, as living human beings.

The multiverse will not get us to some positive "heaven like place", only a dream like state. Now, that's just a theory, if there even is multiuniverses.

Here is another theory, if there is a creator of all this, why on earth wouldn't he give us all needs we love about mankind. But in a reverse place.

Beauty & health, we could be born looking as we are in our later days, after 50-60-70 years we have the best health and looks of our lifespan.

Wouldn't this be better than how we really is built, through evolution.

You may say, it's only the mind which matures by time.

So why are many clueless? Mankind is a lucky shot, nothing else.

We can interact now, yet when we die, we do it one at a time.

We are individs, with no real meaning to each other.

Forget about the lion kings kingdom, dogs will bark in multiverses, or could they talk like we?
The development process ends on all levels when we die. The End.

4-5 years ago I were a member of a OBE/lucidity message board. You know, some are quite normal, others you could seen had just been out of mental health care.

One thread were several pages long, the discussion were about "hunting and traveling in to other people dreams and interacting" - Nightriders or something.

It's like playing WOW with other people in their dreams. See wackos gets more wack by seeking the unknown. It just escalades with time.

I wants to add to your list, the 21st centuries "witch hunt" -- aliens.

And more recently human like aliens. It's fricking disgust me that some people believe there is men and women in society looking just like us, but - they are aliens from another planet.

Michel jordan an Alien? I bet you could push it on some people, and they would swallow the bait, Usain Bolt, Alien? Fedor Emalienko is deff an alien.

Obama is the first black alien... didn't you know, he arrived here on earth in 1995, when the real Obama died, he is actually from a planet called, Cooloio.

See, this is how hard it is, and I'm not even trying here. Still some people would buy it with a spade.

The more unrealistic it is, the more some maniacs will believe it's real.

:mad:ness

"non believers"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i'll tell you what... how about you show some concrete, scientific, peer reviewed studies that confirm the existence of "ghosts"... otherwise, you can't prove that you're not making shit up, that your not imagining shit, that you're minds not playing tricks on you, that your seeing God wasn't just low blood sugar and you're seeing your long lost aunt edna wasn't just a brain tumor slowly growing.

when you need to believe something... that should be your first hint that you have a need to stop and start asking yourself some important questions.

I belive in reborn :)

I believe in her moans of ecstasy

Not sure if you got the multiverse theory correct. Without the existence of a multiverse the odds of there actualyl existing a creator is endless high.. by that I'm not saying one thing or another..

The "settings" in our universe is so exact made for stars .. solar systems .. galaxies .. even matter to be made that just a tiny adjustment on any parameter of the forces (gravity, electro magnetism etc) would do that nothing we see today would have existed.. in other words.. so, our universe seems very constructed UNLESS there's another universe for every other possible settings of forces.

believing in life after death as with believing in God or a higher power is just a mechanism for us simple baboons to make sense out of life, our existence and cope with the anxiety over the ups and downs of life, the finality of death and loss of loved ones.

its not necessary... but its a medical fact that those who desperately cling to such beliefs are more healthy emotionally than those who don't, have less stress, have less anxiety and have a greater sense of purpose and general sense of well being.

i don't believe in god or an afterlife... but i do understand the power of religion, belief systems and their connection to sound mental health.

Exactly.. most people who you see bashing people who believe in paranormal have never had any experiences themselves. And would probably end up dead from a heart attack if they ever do...

Saying you'll debunk a GOOD reason? That's just stupid :1orglaugh

Anyway, fear is a good reason.
The fear of not being here anymore, of being forgotten etc. Fear has always been the prime motivator for such beliefs.

Sorry guys... there's no such thing a paranormal phenomenas.. -> randi.org

Alright... There's an unconscious mechanism in all of us that tells us otherwise.

"unconscious" ?

"tells us otherwise.." meaning that little voice tells us to believe in something or proves its fact? having a psychological need to believe Hitler is a great guy out of self preservation as a member of the Nazi party, doesn't mean Hitler is actually a great guy.

I have to agree with you totally. My mothers faith got her through the death of my father, my grandmother and two of her best friends. It also got her through her 3 year battle with cancer. If someones faith sustains them through hard times and gives them peace why should I or anyone else convince them they are wrong.

I know women and men, living by god. They are health, happy and doing fine.

Then there's also another crowd, which belief is not well rounded, and enough rooted. They may get something else out of the bible. And feed God to their uber cranium, if you know what I mean.

God can really get to your head too, in a bad shape.

They begin blaming hell for their own failures and mistakes. Either that, or they start questioning God.

If you doubt God and the bible, in any way, then stay the fuck away.

:2 cents:

There are many theories on the subject. As many as there are "experts" I guess.

I just don't believe in the "paradise" after life. I don't believe in the "heavens".

Life after death, are supposedly to be some cute group hug thing. Guess what, I don't agree with everyone I met in life, I will not agree with hardcore criminal acts.

As we both know, none can say for sure yet. Now if there are some multiverses then I hate criminals to integrate on my property. :winkwink:

I don't mind meeting my dogs through the years, it's gonna be fun
floating around with them all, or what ever you call it?

It could be more of the same old, but I doubt it will be some "paradise like city".

Unless this lifespan is some kind of detoxination. :helpme

i'm always interested in why people do what they do.

no matter how much people want to resist the notion... everything we do is about fulfilling selfish needs for a variety of reasons... from committing mass murder to giving a homeless guy 10.00... whether is about personal atonement for righting what you believe are wrongs you commit to being physical abused or raped or whatever, the root motivations are selfish in nature. belief systems are no different. they stem from an individuals necessity to arrest some form of emotional problem(s) or satisfy some need. we all rationalize almost everything we do as being "right" or "healthy". religion is interesting. its something that's so absurd to me (as someone who attended a private christian school)... but just like any persons system of beliefs from republican to democrat, islam to christianity or vegan to meat eater... rational discussion and reason play no role whatsoever... anymore than reason plays a role when a heroin addict shoots up.

It's annoying too, when you get this in your own system. And figure it out. Then you start seeing people looking more stupid by the minute, and never realize they don't have any solid reasonings behind their beliefs, more than their inherited belief to statisfy something, or being apart of something.

I just commented in my local newspapers web site, they are supposedly going to try to get money to build the worlds longest bridge in my city. Over to Finland from Sweden, the magic are supposedly going to begin, if we get this bridge from EU money. And my city will forever be put on the "european map".

They see a cute little fairy tale story, to rob EU on money.

And if you don't agree with the clueless. In this case, I were said to be a negative person and old fashioned. And, I were afraid of "new thinking".

So much for discussions, and pointing out weaknesses. :disgust

But hence, I live in the biggest socialist country in the world. You can't tell anyone here they are going on, doing a bad job.

Because they like to discriminate and/or push their bullshit beliefs on others when they are not worried about their own family problems.

http://www.mikepettigrew.com/afterlife/

The Institute for Afterlife Research

This web site presents some of the overwhelming evidence for the survival of physical death. This evidence is based on the experiences of thousands (and in some cases, millions) of people from around the world. It is not based on any religious beliefs, dogmas or theories and we try to report the facts to the best of our own understanding and abilities.

let's first assume there actually exists such a thing called "endlessness".

and in the eternal void, vacuum or whatever you call it.. due to happy lil' coincidences - universes are created, then evolve, then collapse again..

now.. the universe WE live in today is so well-balanced that human life is possible on planet earth.
there might have been universes prior to this, that wasn't so balanced and collapsed.. then a new univere emerged.. and collapsed.. and so on, 'til our present cosmos "big banged" outta that vacuum.

If there indeed IS a thing called "endlessness".. this (our) universe will also collapse and a new one will be created and just because this cycle will continue forever, an unlimited amout of possible configurations will emerge and collapse - this leads to the fact that the exact SAME configuration we live in today will re-appear again in the distant future.. maybe in threethousand kalpas or something..

it will be just as balanced as this universe with the exact same specs and the exact same human beings on the same planet earth with the same history and all.

then again, i'm quite possibly a nutjob and should stop drinking.
cheerz!

I see no evidence of life after death, nor have I ever been presented with an arguement that made me want to believe this mumbo jumbo or any other dogmatic BULL SHIT. Religion is pure bunk and heaven is a carot dangled from a stick by those who wish to control to unwashed masses!!!!!

Sorry for your personal loss and I get what you mean. BUT!!!

The thing is............ that's how they got those kamikazee Pilots to fly into those ships in Pearl Harbour, promises of the afterlife and Opium are a mother fucker together!!!!!:2 cents:

When the afterlife looks better than the real life, then what. Why not check out now like the Muslum Bombers do if you truely believe? Oh, that's right they've got that covered with the whole killing tourself's a sin thing.... My bad.

Just sayin'

If you truely belive in gOD and the bible why are you on this board and in this industry?

If I bought all that bible BULL shit I'd be seriously watching my Ps and Qs and not pissing this fucker they call gOD offf!!!!!

ahh the bible clearly says it , it must be so. lol

oops wait the bible also says to slaughter anyone with blue eyes, and that left handed people are actually eagles in disguise and it says the sky is actually gods dinner plate. and it says you must poke your eyes out with iron rods at the age of 20 or you go straight to hell.

wait theres something extra at the end , it says you don't live another life and there is no hell or heaven. it clearly says this so you are 100% wrong, sorry , bible says so.

Some people should not post while high.

“It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men’s minds which follows from the advance of science.” [Darwin]
“If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.” [Voltaire]

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.” [Einstein]

“Faith means not wanting to know what is true.” [Nietzsche]

“I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul…. No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life – our desire to go on living … our dread of coming to an end.” [Edison]

“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.” [Lincoln]

“Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn’t killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?” [Arthur C. Clarke]

“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” [Thomas Jefferson]

“Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile.” [Kurt Vonnegut]

“Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.” [Bertrand Russell]

if heroin sustained someone and gave them peace why should i or anyone else convince them they are wrong ?

It just seems wrong and defeating to give god credit for something someone did themselves or to blame god for things that turn out bad as if we have nothing to do with t.

Like you often hear people say "thru the grace of god i survived" after being rescued from some mountain or something, instead of saying "i almost died because i didnt bring a map" , or "i ignored the park rangers", or "thru the grace of the rescuers who hunted day and night to find me without even being paid"

Santa Clause told me that it was true.

Nice to see a quote by Bertrand Russell here..... I own BertrandRussell.com though there's nothing there right now, unfortunately.

Don't fuck with Santa........... He's real I saw him in Macy's last year.......

If anyone is interested in an alternative look at religion and well even Santa himself I suggest

The Pharmacratic Inquisition (Short movie version)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...42553983229569

Pharmacratic Inquisition (longer presentation version)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...65073003895154

Some people need a crutch. If it helps them and they don't push it on me I'm fine with it.

most people here are anti religious because they are afraid to seem uncool to all the other losers on the board that go around talking about what big players they are, how they fuck a different girl every night, and how they can buy and sell anyone, party all the time, blah blah blah. We sell the same shit, stop trying to sell yourself to us. If you have faith, if you have beliefs, have the balls to at least stand up for them. Instead of condemning others who have the balls to share their views. Go jump a bandwagon somewhere else, this thread was about what YOU personally believe. Not what your peers believe. I swear the level of spineless post whores here is almost as consistent as their lack of any useful input whatsoever they spew forth on a daily basis.

Wow, you sure have intense feelings about this.

double post.

I have no problem saying that I believe in life after death or a higher being - never waivered from that even in my ambush interview. There is a 50/50 chance - I prefer to believe that there is something beyond us. Try as you might - I have no problem with what you beleive, but why is there a need to try and convince me that my belief is wrong and yours is the only way? That's arrogance.

I do not push my views on anyone - nor change anyone's ideas or thoughts about what happens to them. It's a personal choice and to date - has served me well and those that I have come in contact with. There are things that I have experienced in person that no one can alter my feelings that there is something else. Good luck with your choice.

lol i have never heard that theory before, people are anti-religious because its cool ?

I have to disagree, i would guess most people are anti-religious because of all the stupid things religion has done to/for us. Or simply for the fact people blindly follow things we know to be false.

The problem with most religions/ religious people is they dont "share" their point of view, they blindly follow it with no room for reason.

I think most people you might assume to be "anti-religious" believe in mostly the same values and beliefs you do, they just dont use a book filled with fairy tales as their guide.

The basic principles of most religions are good and i think most people religious or not follow the same basic principles.

Nope. Some people are have a brain and use it. Much like evolution that can be PROVEN.

Most of the Holy rollers can't tell you how the Jewish book of fables, aka Bible, actually became the book it did. However it is funny to hear some of the answers from "Moses wrote it", to "it was delivered from the heavens", and so on.

Almost as laughable as the fables that made it into the book themselves. Almost..