Don't bother. Robbie is one of the biggest idiots on this board. He's totally clueless about this stuff.

He just got lucky with that disgusting content of his. If it wasn't for that he wouldn't be able to make 5 bucks a day on the net.

But for some reason he feels like he's part of this webmaster thing and knows everything about it. Really sad actually.

Most porn movie files are more like a couple hundred megs not gigs. And I can tell you how many of the big companies are still shooting fresh content...they do it the same way I still make money with them...RECURRING BILLING. But new sales? Not so much. And the rebills die away every day.

And I don't think that the hundreds of millions of people downloading from torrents are all that worried about download time. They are strictly in it for FREE stuff. If that was my goal, I wouldn't worry about download time. I'd just do what I did back 10 years ago on dial up....Start a download in the morning and walk away and do other things in life. Come back a few hours later and your download is there.

My plumber that I used as an example...He works all day long driving to people's houses and repairing the plumbing. He could start all his downloads at 6 a.m. when he leaves for work and have them all waiting for him that evening.

Most of them would not buy, some would. The 99 guys that wouldn't buy anyway aren't the problem, the one guy that would is. That guy gets the same free stuff the others do, and as soon as free sites meet his demands, he turns from a buyer into a non-buyer.

All these things play a part. That's why the drop in conversions over the years is so interesting.

Back when CJs and linklists were king, if you wanted easy, quick access to porn pics, you pretty much needed a membership.

The rise of fairly clean TGPs meant that easy, quick access to pics became free. So, the people who wanted that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

The rise of MGPs meant that easy, quick access to short vids became free. So, the people who just needed that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted full vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

And now, the current situation:

The rise of tubes means that easy, quick access to full scenes is now free. Only those who want high quality need to buy.

The rise of filesharing sites means that high quality scenes are now free. Only those who want ease of use and fast, unlimited downloads need to buy.

The rise of torrent sites means that high quality, unlimited downloads are now free. Only those without technical knowledge and those who want ease of need to buy.

So, essentially, only those without technical knowledge, who want high quality, and aren't willing to put up with the hassle of tube sites or filesharing forums need to buy. Basically, the pool of people with a reason to buy has lost much of its size.

Once tube sites start providing higher quality, conversion rates will go down even further. At some point in the future, only very specific fetishes, extremely exclusive content and extremely high quality content will have a selling point, which will appeal to a very limited audience.

Compare it to a store giving everything away for free next to a Walmart. At first, they only give away breathmints, but every week, they add a new product to their inventory. After a while, the Walmart will be in trouble. Because while free breathmints won't dissuade people from buying pizzas, free sandwiches will dissuade some, and free pizzas will dissuade most.

Redtube Daily

wordtracker - 74397
Google - 92,996
Yahoo - 26,709
MSM - 11,606
Overall Daily - 131,211

:Oh crap

it is still weird that people go to google and type in anything + anything.com. direct navigation is a myth...

its not good

I've watched people do that firsthand and it totally baffles me. I even asked them why and they didn't really have an answer... yet they kept doing it.

I know I don't do that. I just type what I'm looking for period. And then when I'm looking to find my content out there...I just start looking through the pages. I usually stop at page 3 or 4 since that's about as far as I care to look.

I have however typed in multiple words like this: "puma swede torrent" And I could see how and why surfers looking to jerk off to a particular girl for free would do that. Matter of fact, that search term brings up almost a half million results. :(

Look in the sig of the guy who started this thread. According to him, he has BangBros converting at close to 1:1000. I think that almost every scene ever produced by bangbros is out there on every tube site and every torrent site, multiple times. But, they are still converting and people are buying.

What does that say?

That his sig is not factual? EDIT: I misread...I thought for a minute you wrote 1:100 My bad. :)

Are you trying to be a total fucking idiot on purpose or are you really just this fucking stupid? It's so hard to believe you can be this stupid.

OK, but how about this, I have seen Banbros banners running on some of these very torrent sites where they have free porn to download. If what you are saying is true, why would companies like Bangbros not be doing everything in their power to shut down these torrent sites? Instead they are signing them up as affiliates???

I am here for serious business discussion, you're here to troll and call people names.
You should leave. Why don't you call Sly or Libertine dorks, they typed much longer replies?

anyway,

bingo

you hit the nail on the head. The only thing I am not so sure are torrents/file-sharing sites. A lot of people still don't have the tech knowledge and they don't use them (or they're afraid to catch some malware).

Tubes reached the size never seen by TGP's before. That's the default way for people to find their porn nowadays. And it happens to be 100% free and satysfying the needs of a huge segment of those who used to be regular buyers before.

anyway, not seeing much room for improvement for the whole industry.
Diversification is the key, saving a good part of what you earn, moving to mainstream of offline businesses. Unless you're one of those who are growing 50% every year like Barefootsies :winkwink:

Btw, I understand that your TGP traffic has dropped. But, I think that has more to do with the death of TGPs, and not the death of people buying porn.

Once again give it up. The guy suffered brain damage or something. Something blocks his brain from making sense. He's stuck in ignorant idiot mode.

These tubes do TONS of sales to adult sites. That's a fact. Robbie just doesn't want to know it. He ignores it because it will make him and his last 500 tube posts look like the fucking idiot he is.

Who's talking about the length of a reply? I called you a dork because you are one, dork. Even if you post 1 word you're still a dork.

And what makes you think mainstream is any easier? There are people on mainstream boards complaining just as loudly that their sales are dropping. If you understand google and understand how to drive traffic, you can make it in mainstream or in porn. Focus in some niches and go after them. I have a few sponsors that are doing better for me than others. So, I am going to after them by launching sites that target to those surfers.

Offline is even harder. What are you going to do? The investments are much more. Here you can buy a domain and hosting for less than 10 bucks and test out your concept. In offline business you could sink tens of thousands before realizing you have a dud.

That is the truth. :) Online is the easiest way to make money with the least amount of overhead.

How did you find this out?

Time to move our ass to dating/webcam and some micro niches.

I watched my stepmother do it once... Basically she has her homepage set to Google, and Google automatically grabs focus of the cursor and puts into the search box, so when she opens a new browser window, she looks down at the keyboard and starts typing followed by hitting enter, not realizing that the cursor is in the search box. By the time the search results are up there she realized what she did, but she just shrugged it off and clicked the first result.

Hey none of you guys want to actually do anything..

You and your friends who run this industry have NO PROBLEM supporting them, paying their bills, making them rich.

It's because xxxdumbass always likes to blame other people. It's never his fault.

hey! leave him alone... not too long after he was posting pics of his new 2mil home, expensive cars and rock star parties... a single google update started a downward death spiral for him and his main site full of redundant linking, spammy internal/external linking and text that read like it was written by a retarded monkey.

his railing against tubes is an expression of anxiety regarding his own failure to maintain what he had in the face of the bills he has to pay. using agressive methods to do well in the SERP's which ultimately failed because like almost all people who flirt with SEO, he failed to ask the most obvious question "will google see this as the best result for this phrase"



tubes....


before it was...


usenet
napster
free porn forums
spam
popups/exits
american express pulling out
google images
double billing
torrents

blah blah blah.,....

and about 10,000 other things that "this time are different" which are "the reason conversions are horrible"

funny how no one seems to mention the fact that there was a massive market for porn from day one, with relatively small competition and a flood of people coming online and at the same time getting used to using credit cards online over a period of a few years. now, they "get it" - they've joined sites. they've been tricked into joining everyone's 1998 cookie cutter bullshit site... you hid the cancel link... you kept spamming them wiht your other bullshit... you treated them like assholes because afterall... the mantra since 1996 has been "surfers are idiots"

now they aren't idiots.

now they have broadband

now they are all wise to the fact that you don't respect them

you've spent years training them to search for "free" - how dumb are you? you already set the value on what you offer - $0.00

oh.... but now "tube sites" are to blame for the worlds porn problems?

really?

can't wait to see what the next 10, life ending, porn is dead, "this time its different" excuses will be in the future.

the business matured and evolved.

customers matured and evolved.

pornographers are largely immature and dysfunctional jackasses.

don't blame the consumer for your failures.

there is not a single thing stopping anyone from shooting high quality, exclusive content and protecting it... and generating sales.... well... except your own dumb excuses about why "this time its different" that is.

Well now you are selling QUALITY. Anyone that think tubes offer quality content is retarded. I have 10 year old VHS tapes that look better than what tubes put up. 400 kbps streams? please. Now of course many guys are cool with that and can jack off to that. Well that's not your customer base anymore. You want the guy who is thinking "Hey I really like this scene but it's too crappy looking" or the guy who thinks "these damn tube sites can't organize their content. I can't find what I am looking for. Maybe there's a place that has EASILY accessible content"

Over 25% of the top 20 searches are for illegal tube sites. I guess there is more money in ripping everyone else off than shooting and updating every day for your members. I need to find a new line of work.

1 google 252704
2 myspace 207957
3 sex 202995
4 facebook 201813
5 youtube 198020
6 yahoo 195632
7 ebay 164731
8 craigslist 159648
9 red tube 140474 - *** illegal tube ***
10 yahoo.com 115997
11 you tube 104962
12 boobs 102415
13 tube8 97468 - *** illegal tube ***
14 redtube.com 91521 - *** illegal tube ***
15 hotmail 89683
16 mapquest 89682
17 myspace.com 85067
18 youporn.com 83986 - *** illegal tube ***
19 youporn 83146 - *** illegal tube ***
20 xtube - *** illegal tube ***

I google tube8 everytime I jerk off. I don't want it in the address bar history.

yeah.. that's also kinda funny. i have access to members areas of tons of sites/networks, and i would hardly say any tube site is offering "high quality videos"

it says he would be making more sales and at a better conversion ratio if tube and torrent sites weren't there. that must be clear to everyone surely. libertines post summed it up very well.

OK. I don't go to tube sites, but let's take this one for example. It is one that was posted in an earlier link. You say tube8 is an illegal tube. Sponsors think it is a valuable traffic source. There are some illegal videos on there. But, lot of the videos are put up there by sponsors.

It is flooded by teaser videos from Nubiles for example. If tube8 was so illegal and was killing porn, why are sponsors contributing to it by posting their own videos.

It is not that nobody is buying porn anymore. It is just that they are not buying it from YOU.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

funniest shit i heard all week.. thanks for the laugh... :thumbsup

redtube is now offering upsells for higher quality..

expect the others not already doing so to follow.. :2 cents:

Can anybody confirm it's exactly the person I expect it to be behind this fake nick?

So sponsors never upload their videos on tube sites or give them to tube sites to upload? Are you really that fucking dumb?

So, tell us, where does this video come from?

http://www.tube8.com/teen/tight-teen...h-toys-/80396/

With a big fucking Nubiles banner above and below the video? You don't think this is in full cooperation with Nubiles? Stupid fuckin moron.

Tubes are a threat because...

You don't need special software to hit a tube, you don't need software and codecs to view the file, you don't need to worry about viruses, you don't need to wait for downloads, you don't need to store the porn on your hard drive, you don't need to click and click until you finally get the clip you want.. etc.

Torrents, limewire, napster, newsgroups etc.. all pains in the ass compared to tubes..

Surfer goes to tube searches and jerks off NO DELAYS it's too fucking easy..

At least with TGPs the surfer had to click around and hunt shit down and get passed around to other sites..

The big "illegal" tubes have made free porn SOOoooo much easier than it has ever been..

I agree their has been other threats to adult and it is still around but look what has happened.. You guys had a boom and since then it's just been a solid decline..

If you guys had not continuously fucked the surfer and offer them up free alternatives the industry wouldn't be in such a decline..

I think it's pretty safe to say ALL OF YOU made your money from Free porn.. Ever single one of you affiliates sites offers up free porn as promotion..

If it wasn't for offering up free porn NONE of you would have made any money..

I also think if the first idiot didn't start offering free nude pics the rest of you lemmings would'nt have had to also..

You guys really had no choice..

As long as people have been buying porn they have been doing whatever they can to get it for free..

FREE PORN.. it's a huge joke.. it's the biggest used marketing tactic in adult..

I've been jerking off online for over 14 years.. jerked off every day... usually multiple times.. I've NEVER had to pay for porn.. As much as I am a webmaster I am also a fan of porn..

First it was bbs and newsgroups, then it was tgps and mgps, now it's tubes..

It just keeps getting easier..

People are going to flame me and say NOOOOooooo tubes make me a ton of money.. I don't care for every 1 person that signs up 1500 didn't.

Ok Ok.. it's JUST the crossales that's why nobody is buying porn.. riightt..

Look, there is still money to be made in porn. Tons of it. Look at the sheer amount of porn being produced today. I would guess that it is a lot more than was being made 5 or even 3 years ago. It is just that it is not the easy money it used to be. It is like any business now. You have to identify niches, market it right and do all the stuff regular businesses do.

Do you think it is easy to run a restaurant? Or sell cars? Or work in real estate? Bottom line is that it is damn hard to make money, no matter what you do.

yeah that's what I said. Tube sites don't offer high quality videos. reading is your friend.

And the kind of surfer that can get off on a 400 kbps stream isn't going to pay for an "upgrade"

i was agreeing with you, you dumb inbred cracker fuck.

It is hard to make money in porn because of what you guys have done to make money in the past. :1orglaugh

You guys always took the easy money.. The easy money trained surfers to fear porn sites and surf for free.

If porn wasn't for free, if 3/4 sites weren't disappointing, if people who were buying porn wheren't being stolen from, etc.... It'd be a lot easier to make money...

Restaurants, etc are hard for reasons that have NOTHING in comparison to adult.

you just don't get it. you think you are making a point... the simple fact is that everything you are saying, has been said since day 1. someone ... somewhere else is responsible for shitty sales.... all the while that's being said, companies are blowing up while other majors decline.

its never changed.. its not going to change. the business changes and grows nad continues to mature and people get left behind because they're morons and that "thing" they were doing for 18hrs a day to make their beer money suddenly stopped working and its someone else's fault.

always been the same story since day 1. in 5 years, this biz will still be here and everyone will be having the exact same retarded conversation about the 5 new "things that are killing the industry" and while that conversations being had... .like always, those who make money will be quietly making money.

I never said anything will kill adult. I never agreed with that. You can't kill adult. People will forever need porn. and porn only gets more popular and more accepted every year..

What I said is we could all be making a lot more money than we are, if shit was different.

This shit is common sense.. This shit is soo easy to understand..

:1orglaugh

no, dumbass. what i meant is that most sponsors could give two shits whether or not their content is on an illegal tube site. meaning that as long as they are making money off the traffic, they have no ethics...

go play with your xbox and leave the internets to grown ups.. :thumbsup

you are wrong.. i generate sales submitting videos to the tubes. granted the conversions suck but they still generate sales..

By the end of this year you are going to see some changes to the big tubes.

They make good money, but the revenue is falling already I bet. They will always be able to turn a profit, but how much? People that started these tube sites are hit and run types, they won't stick around when the revenue falls below a certain point. In fact, many are already becoming more and more sponsor friendly by offering paid spots. That's going to be what they evolve into.

Someone will come in here and say I'm clueless, probably someone who nobody has any idea what they do in the business. But all I can say is bookmark this thread and this post and check on it in December.

P.S. Redtube has been pretty legit for some time now. I wouldn't even consider it an illegal tube site anymore. People need to get off of GFY and surf around their market a little bit.

you are actually right.. the tubes are turning into paid submitters.. i see the same thing which means the ad spots arent bringing in what they used to..

I have clients that have popular sites that don't profit but are able to stay online because they have soo much income coming from other sources.

So hoping a very popular site goes broke and they shut it down is reaching.

Most webmasters will go into debt before shutting down traffic.