Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15657707)

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Originally Posted by MrLuvr (Post 15657754)

If tube8 was so illegal and was killing porn, why are sponsors contributing to it by posting their own videos.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15657689)

Well now you are selling QUALITY. Anyone that think tubes offer quality content is retarded. I have 10 year old VHS tapes that look better than what tubes put up. 400 kbps streams?

Originally Posted by ManuteBol (Post 15656727)

Here we go again.

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 15657788)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

funniest shit i heard all week.. thanks for the laugh... :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15657666)

hey! leave him alone... not too long after he was posting pics of his new 2mil home, expensive cars and rock star parties... a single google update started a downward death spiral for him and his main site full of redundant linking, spammy internal/external linking and text that read like it was written by a retarded monkey.

his railing against tubes is an expression of anxiety regarding his own failure to maintain what he had in the face of the bills he has to pay. using agressive methods to do well in the SERP's which ultimately failed because like almost all people who flirt with SEO, he failed to ask the most obvious question "will google see this as the best result for this phrase"



tubes....


before it was...


usenet
napster
free porn forums
spam
popups/exits
american express pulling out
google images
double billing
torrents

blah blah blah.,....

and about 10,000 other things that "this time are different" which are "the reason conversions are horrible"

funny how no one seems to mention the fact that there was a massive market for porn from day one, with relatively small competition and a flood of people coming online and at the same time getting used to using credit cards online over a period of a few years. now, they "get it" - they've joined sites. they've been tricked into joining everyone's 1998 cookie cutter bullshit site... you hid the cancel link... you kept spamming them wiht your other bullshit... you treated them like assholes because afterall... the mantra since 1996 has been "surfers are idiots"

now they aren't idiots.

now they have broadband

now they are all wise to the fact that you don't respect them

you've spent years training them to search for "free" - how dumb are you? you already set the value on what you offer - $0.00

oh.... but now "tube sites" are to blame for the worlds porn problems?

really?

can't wait to see what the next 10, life ending, porn is dead, "this time its different" excuses will be in the future.

the business matured and evolved.

customers matured and evolved.

pornographers are largely immature and dysfunctional jackasses.

don't blame the consumer for your failures.

there is not a single thing stopping anyone from shooting high quality, exclusive content and protecting it... and generating sales.... well... except your own dumb excuses about why "this time its different" that is.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15657738)

yeah.. that's also kinda funny. i have access to members areas of tons of sites/networks, and i would hardly say any tube site is offering "high quality videos"

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 15657789)

redtube is now offering upsells for higher quality..

expect the others not already doing so to follow.. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15657915)

yeah that's what I said. Tube sites don't offer high quality videos. reading is your friend.

Originally Posted by MrLuvr (Post 15657880)

Look, there is still money to be made in porn. Tons of it. Look at the sheer amount of porn being produced today. I would guess that it is a lot more than was being made 5 or even 3 years ago. It is just that it is not the easy money it used to be. It is like any business now. You have to identify niches, market it right and do all the stuff regular businesses do.

Do you think it is easy to run a restaurant? Or sell cars? Or work in real estate? Bottom line is that it is damn hard to make money, no matter what you do.

Originally Posted by Ozarkz (Post 15657926)

It is hard to make money in porn because of what you guys have done to make money in the past. :1orglaugh

You guys always took the easy money.. The easy money trained surfers to fear porn sites and surf for free.

If porn wasn't for free, if 3/4 sites weren't disappointing, if people who were buying porn wheren't being stolen from, etc.... It'd be a lot easier to make money...

Restaurants, etc are hard for reasons that have NOTHING in comparison to adult.

Originally Posted by MrLuvr (Post 15657831)

So sponsors never upload their videos on tube sites or give them to tube sites to upload? Are you really that fucking dumb?

So, tell us, where does this video come from?

http://www.tube8.com/teen/tight-teen...h-toys-/80396/

With a big fucking Nubiles banner above and below the video? You don't think this is in full cooperation with Nubiles? Stupid fuckin moron.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15657918)

And the kind of surfer that can get off on a 400 kbps stream isn't going to pay for an "upgrade"

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 15658055)

By the end of this year you are going to see some changes to the big tubes.

They make good money, but the revenue is falling already I bet. They will always be able to turn a profit, but how much? People that started these tube sites are hit and run types, they won't stick around when the revenue falls below a certain point. In fact, many are already becoming more and more sponsor friendly by offering paid spots. That's going to be what they evolve into.

Someone will come in here and say I'm clueless, probably someone who nobody has any idea what they do in the business. But all I can say is bookmark this thread and this post and check on it in December.

P.S. Redtube has been pretty legit for some time now. I wouldn't even consider it an illegal tube site anymore. People need to get off of GFY and surf around their market a little bit.

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15657382)

Most of them would not buy, some would. The 99 guys that wouldn't buy anyway aren't the problem, the one guy that would is. That guy gets the same free stuff the others do, and as soon as free sites meet his demands, he turns from a buyer into a non-buyer.



All these things play a part. That's why the drop in conversions over the years is so interesting.

Back when CJs and linklists were king, if you wanted easy, quick access to porn pics, you pretty much needed a membership.

The rise of fairly clean TGPs meant that easy, quick access to pics became free. So, the people who wanted that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

The rise of MGPs meant that easy, quick access to short vids became free. So, the people who just needed that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted full vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

And now, the current situation:

The rise of tubes means that easy, quick access to full scenes is now free. Only those who want high quality need to buy.

The rise of filesharing sites means that high quality scenes are now free. Only those who want ease of use and fast, unlimited downloads need to buy.

The rise of torrent sites means that high quality, unlimited downloads are now free. Only those without technical knowledge and those who want ease of need to buy.

So, essentially, only those without technical knowledge, who want high quality, and aren't willing to put up with the hassle of tube sites or filesharing forums need to buy. Basically, the pool of people with a reason to buy has lost much of its size.

Once tube sites start providing higher quality, conversion rates will go down even further. At some point in the future, only very specific fetishes, extremely exclusive content and extremely high quality content will have a selling point, which will appeal to a very limited audience.

Compare it to a store giving everything away for free next to a Walmart. At first, they only give away breathmints, but every week, they add a new product to their inventory. After a while, the Walmart will be in trouble. Because while free breathmints won't dissuade people from buying pizzas, free sandwiches will dissuade some, and free pizzas will dissuade most.

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15657382)

Most of them would not buy, some would. The 99 guys that wouldn't buy anyway aren't the problem, the one guy that would is. That guy gets the same free stuff the others do, and as soon as free sites meet his demands, he turns from a buyer into a non-buyer.



All these things play a part. That's why the drop in conversions over the years is so interesting.

Back when CJs and linklists were king, if you wanted easy, quick access to porn pics, you pretty much needed a membership.

The rise of fairly clean TGPs meant that easy, quick access to pics became free. So, the people who wanted that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

The rise of MGPs meant that easy, quick access to short vids became free. So, the people who just needed that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted full vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

And now, the current situation:

The rise of tubes means that easy, quick access to full scenes is now free. Only those who want high quality need to buy.

The rise of filesharing sites means that high quality scenes are now free. Only those who want ease of use and fast, unlimited downloads need to buy.

The rise of torrent sites means that high quality, unlimited downloads are now free. Only those without technical knowledge and those who want ease of need to buy.

So, essentially, only those without technical knowledge, who want high quality, and aren't willing to put up with the hassle of tube sites or filesharing forums need to buy. Basically, the pool of people with a reason to buy has lost much of its size.

Once tube sites start providing higher quality, conversion rates will go down even further. At some point in the future, only very specific fetishes, extremely exclusive content and extremely high quality content will have a selling point, which will appeal to a very limited audience.

Compare it to a store giving everything away for free next to a Walmart. At first, they only give away breathmints, but every week, they add a new product to their inventory. After a while, the Walmart will be in trouble. Because while free breathmints won't dissuade people from buying pizzas, free sandwiches will dissuade some, and free pizzas will dissuade most.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15656281)

And we are supposed to sell porn how?

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 15657382)

Most of them would not buy, some would. The 99 guys that wouldn't buy anyway aren't the problem, the one guy that would is. That guy gets the same free stuff the others do, and as soon as free sites meet his demands, he turns from a buyer into a non-buyer.



All these things play a part. That's why the drop in conversions over the years is so interesting.

Back when CJs and linklists were king, if you wanted easy, quick access to porn pics, you pretty much needed a membership.

The rise of fairly clean TGPs meant that easy, quick access to pics became free. So, the people who wanted that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

The rise of MGPs meant that easy, quick access to short vids became free. So, the people who just needed that stopped being buyers. Those who wanted full vids or full sets of pics still needed to buy.

And now, the current situation:

The rise of tubes means that easy, quick access to full scenes is now free. Only those who want high quality need to buy.

The rise of filesharing sites means that high quality scenes are now free. Only those who want ease of use and fast, unlimited downloads need to buy.

The rise of torrent sites means that high quality, unlimited downloads are now free. Only those without technical knowledge and those who want ease of need to buy.

So, essentially, only those without technical knowledge, who want high quality, and aren't willing to put up with the hassle of tube sites or filesharing forums need to buy. Basically, the pool of people with a reason to buy has lost much of its size.

Once tube sites start providing higher quality, conversion rates will go down even further. At some point in the future, only very specific fetishes, extremely exclusive content and extremely high quality content will have a selling point, which will appeal to a very limited audience.

Compare it to a store giving everything away for free next to a Walmart. At first, they only give away breathmints, but every week, they add a new product to their inventory. After a while, the Walmart will be in trouble. Because while free breathmints won't dissuade people from buying pizzas, free sandwiches will dissuade some, and free pizzas will dissuade most.

Originally Posted by teh ghey (Post 15658353)

if youre against tube sites then what's Dickshare?

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15657985)

you just don't get it. you think you are making a point... the simple fact is that everything you are saying, has been said since day 1. someone ... somewhere else is responsible for shitty sales.... all the while that's being said, companies are blowing up while other majors decline.

its never changed.. its not going to change. the business changes and grows nad continues to mature and people get left behind because they're morons and that "thing" they were doing for 18hrs a day to make their beer money suddenly stopped working and its someone else's fault.

always been the same story since day 1. in 5 years, this biz will still be here and everyone will be having the exact same retarded conversation about the 5 new "things that are killing the industry" and while that conversations being had... .like always, those who make money will be quietly making money.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15657707)

Over 25% of the top 20 searches are for illegal tube sites. I guess there is more money in ripping everyone else off than shooting and updating every day for your members. I need to find a new line of work.

1 google 252704
2 myspace 207957
3 sex 202995
4 facebook 201813
5 youtube 198020
6 yahoo 195632
7 ebay 164731
8 craigslist 159648
9 red tube 140474 - *** illegal tube ***
10 yahoo.com 115997
11 you tube 104962
12 boobs 102415
13 tube8 97468 - *** illegal tube ***
14 redtube.com 91521 - *** illegal tube ***
15 hotmail 89683
16 mapquest 89682
17 myspace.com 85067
18 youporn.com 83986 - *** illegal tube ***
19 youporn 83146 - *** illegal tube ***
20 xtube - *** illegal tube ***

Originally Posted by woj (Post 15658634)

That list is bs, these are certainly not the top 20 searches on the major search engines... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15658427)

www.dickdhare.com is a GAY legal tube site that all of the content is provided by the producers.

Try to upload a clip that doesn't belong to you and watch what happens.

LOL

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 15658055)

By the end of this year you are going to see some changes to the big tubes.

They make good money, but the revenue is falling already I bet. They will always be able to turn a profit, but how much? People that started these tube sites are hit and run types, they won't stick around when the revenue falls below a certain point. In fact, many are already becoming more and more sponsor friendly by offering paid spots. That's going to be what they evolve into.

Someone will come in here and say I'm clueless, probably someone who nobody has any idea what they do in the business. But all I can say is bookmark this thread and this post and check on it in December.

P.S. Redtube has been pretty legit for some time now. I wouldn't even consider it an illegal tube site anymore. People need to get off of GFY and surf around their market a little bit.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 15657400)

I've watched people do that firsthand and it totally baffles me. I even asked them why and they didn't really have an answer... yet they kept doing it.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15657707)

Over 25% of the top 20 searches are for illegal tube sites. I guess there is more money in ripping everyone else off than shooting and updating every day for your members. I need to find a new line of work.

1 google 252704
2 myspace 207957
3 sex 202995
4 facebook 201813
5 youtube 198020
6 yahoo 195632
7 ebay 164731
8 craigslist 159648
9 red tube 140474 - *** illegal tube ***
10 yahoo.com 115997
11 you tube 104962
12 boobs 102415
13 tube8 97468 - *** illegal tube ***
14 redtube.com 91521 - *** illegal tube ***
15 hotmail 89683
16 mapquest 89682
17 myspace.com 85067
18 youporn.com 83986 - *** illegal tube ***
19 youporn 83146 - *** illegal tube ***
20 xtube - *** illegal tube ***

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 15657789)

redtube is now offering upsells for higher quality..

expect the others not already doing so to follow.. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by teh ghey (Post 15658747)

not trying to be a dick, but your site is showing 3minute+ long movie clips with cumshots for free. I thought the problem is that tube sites are killing the industry because theyre giving it all away for free. But your site is giving it all away for free too.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 15658634)

That list is bs, these are certainly not the top 20 searches on the major search engines... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15660324)

They are also linked to the sponsor and they are only 3 minutes. I have no problem with tube sites. I am not anti-tube just as long as link to where you can buy it. If you want to film a 2 hour porno scene and put it on Redtube, that is your own business. Good luck making money on it. My problem is where they just steal my content and there isn't an link anywhere on the page to my site. That's called stealing and stealing is wrong.