Yeah, I know it has nothing to do with hemp. Just pointing out that there are possible alternatives. Tobacco seems like such a mild drug. I smoked for a few years in highschool mostly because everyone else was too and it did nothing for me. I never felt like I needed it nor did it give me any kind of "lift" or relaxing feeling. Eventually I quit and it was very easy.

so smokers are the only people who urinate

Stop smoking or whining.

I can hear your raspy little smoker voice laden with lung butter and wheezing getting hysterical about the topic and frankly I think it's hilarious.The lengths that you people will go to in defending your vice is limitless.

It IS a menace to the healthcare system and a menace to those around you. I don't smoke. Why is it that when you inconsiderate pricks walk next to me, however, I am forced to either hold my breath or smell and taste your smoke? You are the goddamned smoker, not me!

The "tax everyone or don't tax anyone" argument is old and tired. To deny that tobacco should be heavily taxed is ludicrous. Puff puff pay, bitch. :1orglaugh

Ask them how much cancer costs.

why yall so fucking offended by smokers

we smoke, were addicted, GET OVER IT

yes, were stupid for getting addicted, I wish I could quit, easier said than done

the tax hike doesnt effect me. i get my shit untaxed

I use a product, and the government keeps taxing it to 'cover costs' of the use of said product.

People bitch all the time, why is this any different? Just because you don't like smokers/smoking? You are doing the exact same thing the smokers are doing, bitching about smokers bitching about the price of a product.

If you don't like it, ignore it, use that energy towards something useful and the world will be a better place.

I couldn't care less about your addiction.

But you have no fucking idea how much your smoking irritates non-smokers.

Your incessant whining about the fairness of tobacco taxes offends us.
The fact that most of you are inconsiderate about where you smoke offends us.

Hence the problem - they're not capable of doing anything useful except bitch about smokers.

I try my hardest not to let my addiction affect people around me, no matter what the addiction.

To generalize and group all smokers together as assholes whole walk next to you on the street and blow smoke in your face is retarded.

For one thing, I don't go outdoors!

If you are near a smoker, move away. If my smoke is bothering someone, and they ask me to move, I'll gladly move or put it out.

Its not smokers you have a problem with, its people with no consideration for others...

Yeah, I'd ignore it no problem if you fuckers stopped blowing out your toxic shit every fucking where - elevators, bars, restaurants, cars, nightclubs, bathroom stalls, etc etc.

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I think Davey Jones is just upset because the cost of smokes went up and his allowance didn't :)

Ahh, my mistake, in Canada, you can't smoke in... elevators, bars, restaurants, nightclubs, bathroom stalls, legally.

I'm all for the banning of smoking in public areas.

I chain smoked from age 13 to 30. I fucking cant stand people who smoke anywhere near me. Its funny knowing how much discomfort I imposed on people around me during those years. Did i say I hate cigarette smokers?

I've been trying to quit this year multiple times. I told my g/f that I would be quit before the end of the month.... wish me luck :)

Yeah, it's illegal to smoke in public pretty much everywhere by now, but no one gives a shit about it.

some more thoughts on smoking:

50% ISP tax coming soon.

This has been debunked so many times it's tedious to even type this.
Society makes a net PROFIT on smokers and health care - smokers (on average) die earlier, so a majority of them aren't around for the most expensive years of their lives in terms of health care.

My apologies, I responded to the post before I saw your response - which is a far better response. I just didn't have the patience to state it as well as you did :winkwink:

No it's not a sin tax. it' a "pay for your own damn hospital bill" tax.

Smokers have health problems then when they get old they are on medicare well who pays for thier smoking related medical problems? Um ME the person that smartly CHOSE not to smoke. Why should I have to pay someone's medical bills because they chose to be stupid? You want to smoke? You want to get rid of "sin" taxes? Fine. Sign a waiver saying you won't accept any taxpayer funded health care.

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Such a redundant argument.

The taxes on cigarettes more than cover hospital costs.

If you're really worried about how *your* tax dollar is being spent, why not do a little investigating. I guarantee with a little digging you will find THOUSANDS of things that will piss you off far more than this...........:2 cents:

The tax money won't go for ANY cancer treatment it'd for 4 million kids to have health insurance.



They should have handed more birth control out. I don't see why we (us that smoke, yea it's nasty and blah blah) I don't feel like I should be responsible for the kids having health insurance, that's a parents responsibility.



:2 cents:

The problem is that people who are so anti-smoking (more often than not, they're former smokers) don't want to see three simple facts.

1. It is de-facto national (and multi-national, for that matter) policy to eliminate smoking. I'm not arguing whether it's good or bad policy --- it's just policy. The smoking rate has plunged over the last 15 years, but that's not what they want, they want to eliminate it. (And I'm not getting into *why* it's de-facto national policy...but anyone with the patience and intelligence can just think about lobbying, then follow the money and understand it.)

2. But they don't have the political will (that is, the balls) to try to make it illegal. And the largely disingenuous anti-smoking PR campaign (have you seen the ads recently condemning the hand-out of free cigarettes on the street? there haven't been cigarette giveaways for YEARS.) has only cut the smoking rate, not eliminated smoking completely.

3. Therefore, the only other avenue is to continue to raise taxes on cigarettes (and "find" more revenue in the process). It has nothing to do with funding smokers' health care or anything else. (And it has nothing to do with the fact that cigarette taxes, and alcohol taxes, are the most regressive taxes in existence - yet still supported by champions of the poor.)

It's really not hard to understand. It's easy, it's "found" money - and those are two things politicians will gravitate to every time.

Who gives a fuck. As far as I'm concern they could have $10 a pack cigarettes. fuck em. It pisses me off seeing people on food stamps that smoke. Oh don't have money for food so I have to pay for you family to eat, but you have the cash for smokes?

We tried that with alcohol and it failed miserably and isn't doing to well with drugs. This method is actually working.

Easier solution. End the welfare state and watch the price of health care plummet. :2 cents:

A carton in Norway, about $90, so stop complaining :) or QUIT! I did! Been smoking since I was 7.... Should be dead, but... :) 4 months now.... Don't miss cigarettes a bit! Not at all!

then why dont you start a fucking revolution. round up your little non-smoking butt buddies, and do something about it.

smokers will smoke, drinkers will drink, rapist will rape, murderers will murder, get over it

"pissing and moaning" about it on a public forum will not do anything about it

Better start saving your butts for a roach-cigarette... :D

How long before everyone grows their own?

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Makes me glad I quit smoking.

I will say this though...if the taxes get too outrageous, to the point where only the very affluent can afford to smoke, then net tax collections on cigs are going to dwindle and the money for the programs those taxes fund will have to come from somewhere else (read: non smokers)

Also, the moral superiority alot of non-smokers display makes me want to fucking puke. Unless you ride a bike or walk to work and have solar panels on the roof of your house, you don't have a right to bitch about air pollution or second hand anything.
When you're willing to pay the same percentage increase in your electricity tax, gasoline tax, and every other thing you use or consume that somehow effects the public health then you can tell the smokers they deserve to pay $50 per carton.

I'm gonna chime in here, but from the looks of most of the posts in this thread no one will give a shit....

I'm a smoker, and I live in Michigan, What I get PISSED about when it comes to the smokes rising in cost, is what "we" were told years ago by our "Master" err I mean Gov. that with the price raising $1.00 of EVERY pack would go DIRECTLY to the public school system.

Now, I know a lot of you HATE to think lol, but try and follow this with me...

I smoke a pack a day give or take, With the Gov's claim I MYSELF put up over $300.00 per year to public schools. (NOT a high number I admit)

Now, as of 2005 there are over 10 Million people living in Michigan, lets lowball the shit out of that and say that a tiny ass 10% are avid smokers thats a total of: 1,000,000 (1 million) and I know for a fact that is a lowball number.

So if all of those people are smoking a pack a day, and putting out over $300.00 per year, then it's safe to say Michigan smokers are contributing over $300 million dollars a year to the Michigan public school systems.

AND YET, more and more schools here are being closed down due to "Lack Of Funding"

So I myself bitch about the rising costs cause point blank they lie their asses off on why and where the money will be going.

-Loki-

We have laws over here in the UK that stops people from smoking in public areas bars, resturants...ect. I am a non smoker and I think the way they are going about this is total bullshit. They should have given the bars, resturants. ect the option of either allowing smoking or the right to not allow smoking. this would have given both the smoker and non smoker the choice of either going into a bar that allows smoking or does not allow smoking. In the work place it should only be allowed in designated places.
Trying to force the smokers to give up by placing higher taxes on the cigs will not work.

Alcohol also causes deaths and puts a strain on the NHS so in effect they should do exactly the same thing which they have done to ciggs.

The trouble with our society is if the goverment introduces something which does not affect the way they themselves live, they dont give a shit, but if the goverment were to ban something that directly affects you, you would also be up in arms just like the smokers are.


Its not only smoking that causes health problems, cars and the particles from car tyres is far more toxic than ciggy smoke. I always laugh when I see joggers running down busy roads thinking they are keeping fit, when infact they are just inhaling more car fumes and rubber particles than the average guy walking down the road.

Here is some more info on other toxic air pollutents ..should we tax all of these to the hilt or should we just ban all of them ??? We are all to blame for health problems which we create by the way we live today, so give the smokers a break...


http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/06/ne...tml?sec=health

Ozone pollution is formed at ground level when hydrocarbons from motor vehicle exhaust and nitrogen oxides from industrial emissions react chemically in sunlight. The pollutant is distinct from ozone in the upper atmosphere, which is formed naturally and shields the Earth from harmful ultraviolet radiation from the Sun.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...eport_says.php

Exposure to city smog increases the risk of an early death, according to a new study of urban pollution and lung disease, which connects long-term ozone exposure with death for the first time.

Scientists who followed the progress of almost 450,000 people for 18 years found they were significantly more likely to die from lung disease if they lived in areas highly polluted by ground-level ozone.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1013131530.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1037736.cms

Yep, seen this shit going on here..

My packs used to cost average of $4 per pack, then about a week or so ago they went up to $5.50, then on 4/1 they'll be $6.50 and I'm told that a new state tax is also going to be added in the coming months.

One state south of me though already and always has had high state taxes on them, so a pack was averaging around $8 before this, so I imagine now they're $10+ per pack..


Now, check this shit out..

Bagged tobacco for rolling.. my next door neighbor suggested I roll my own to save money.. he tells me he WAS spending around $12 per carton by buying 60z tobacco and a box of 200 filtered tubes, then he just uses his hand machine to make his own,.,

I figured I'd try this to save some $$ since I have been spending well over $100 per week on cigarettes alone for both myself and my wife.. I HATE the fucking things and want to quit so bad.. but when I try it drives me fucking insane :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


So, I go and buy a lb of tobacco.. not bad.. it was $17 and will make me 2 and 2/3 cartons.. add $9 for 600 filtered tubes.. so, $27 a carton...

But check this shit out.. that $17 bag will be $40 on 4/01.. $23 per pound tax!!!!

Once this bag is empty, fuck it.. I WILL FUCKING QUIT!!!!!! I have to.. I can't stand the shit anymore, but it's a fucking addiction and is difficult

Smokes are more than 10 bucks a pack in canada and still, it doesn't stop people on welfare or disability one bit. Its all about priorities ya know

Fuck the smokers, raise taxes 100%. If they don't like it, quit smoking.

I can just imagine the complete reversal of opinions in this thread, if pot was legal and they were increasing the taxes on it by $10 at a time :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

keep on smoking and keep on whining! GODDAMNIT!