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xentech 03-23-2009 03:39 PM
You people who moan about this are fucking idiots, not trying to be offensive but stop bitching.

This is not going to decrease the ranking power of your site and this is a completely normal practice in affiliate marketing, any sponsor who doesn't do this is a fool.

Furthermore, why do you care if affiliate links show up in 'more results'? They would never outrank the original page anyway.

Jdoughs 03-23-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by xentech (Post 15664111)
They would never outrank the original page anyway.
Ok then, end the thread.

Platinumpimp 03-23-2009 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15664061)
J, check your ICQ for me please. :1orglaugh
You sure got your panties in a bunch over this guy. :pimp

WiredGuy 03-23-2009 03:45 PM
I would love to know how much of a traffic/join spike they got by doing this.
WG

Davy 03-23-2009 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15663943)
No, we are doing it too. And no it has no effect on affiliates
The canonical link is read like a 301-redirect by the search engine.
So you, sir, are talking bullshit.

smutnut 03-23-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15664118)
Ok then, end the thread.
No, he doesn't know what he's talking about. But my point is you have to be more stealth about what you are doing and know what the sponsor is all about.

Capitalism still exists momentarily, that's actually your main problem LOL

BFT3K 03-23-2009 04:41 PM
Just to play devil's advocate, let's pretend you own a site called SockSuckers.com, and you start an affiliate program. You have had the site for years, and your search engine positioning is very good. In fact, any time someone types in socksucking or sock suckers or sock sucking, you come up number one.

Now you open yourself up to affiliates. A few of your affiliates are now using the same meta-tags and keywords, etc, to also come up super high in the search, so now you are losing revenue from organic searches, where before, you owned the position 100%.

To add insult to injury, a few weeks down the road your affiliate decides to stop promoting you, and switches out your links for SockLovers.com, but leaves all of the same SEO info in place.

Now you are not only fucked over for losing the search engine positioning you already had before the affiliate jumped onboard, but you are actually losing it to a competing site to boot!

I think the knife cuts both ways. I'm not certain who's right on this one...

polish_aristocrat 03-23-2009 04:52 PM
and people were worried about the webcams.com iframe...

this seems surely like a bigger problem for some affiliates

ThumbLord 03-23-2009 04:58 PM
Jdoughs you just gave the other sponsors an idea that could be used to get more affilates screwed.
I salute you for the info but I think it was not really in the interest of affiliates to give this info on a board like this.
time for a board (secured?) only for affiliates?
sorry for the typo's.
I have a domain if interested

Jdoughs 03-23-2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbLord (Post 15664404)
Jdoughs you just gave the other sponsors an idea that could be used to get more affilates screwed.
I salute you for the info but I think it was not really in the interest of affiliates to give this info on a board like this.
time for a board (secured?) only for affiliates?
sorry for the typo's.
I have a domain if interested
How to do it was posted a week or two ago on this very board, this post was not the first clue in to anyone, its just the first one i've caught doing it to links I was actively pointing too.

The use of this meta tag is common knowledge now, its no secret as some imply by their posts above.

frank7799 03-23-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 15664366)
Just to play devil's advocate, let's pretend you own a site called SockSuckers.com, and you start an affiliate program. You have had the site for years, and your search engine positioning is very good. In fact, any time someone types in socksucking or sock suckers or sock sucking, you come up number one.
Fine, but I canīt see the relation to the canonical tag.

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Now you open yourself up to affiliates. A few of your affiliates are now using the same meta-tags and keywords, etc, to also come up super high in the search, so now you are losing revenue from organic searches, where before, you owned the position 100%.
You are always on risk to lose SEO positions. Itīs not a matter of accepting affiliates.

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To add insult to injury, a few weeks down the road your affiliate decides to stop promoting you, and switches out your links for SockLovers.com, but leaves all of the same SEO info in place.
Using the canonical tag does not help so far. That tag simply cuts off the aff code from your URL. It does not prevent your affiliates using your keywords and get better SEO listings.

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Now you are not only fucked over for losing the search engine positioning you already had before the affiliate jumped onboard, but you are actually losing it to a competing site to boot!
Your URL will never send any sales to a competitor. If Iīm using my own site and URL with those metatags and keywords, the canonical tag wonīt help.

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I think the knife cuts both ways. I'm not certain who's right on this one...
I donīt think so. The tag only works on your own URL and cuts off the aff_id. So if Iīm using metatgs and keywords for my own URL, you canīt stop me getting traffic for those keywords. The tag only works if I get your URL with my aff_id listed.

"Can this link tag be used to suggest a canonical URL on a completely different domain?
No. To migrate to a completely different domain, permanent (301) redirects are more appropriate. Google currently will take canonicalization suggestions into account across subdomains (or within a domain), but not across domains. So site owners can suggest www.example.com vs. example.com vs. help.example.com, but not example.com vs. example-widgets.com."

CyberHustler 03-23-2009 05:40 PM
:pimp:pimp

BFT3K 03-23-2009 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by m4yadult (Post 15664529)
Fine, but I canīt see the relation to the canonical tag.



You are always on risk to lose SEO positions. Itīs not a matter of accepting affiliates.



Using the canonical tag does not help so far. That tag simply cuts off the aff code from your URL. It does not prevent your affiliates using your keywords and get better SEO listings.



Your URL will never send any sales to a competitor. If Iīm using my own site and URL with those metatags and keywords, the canonical tag wonīt help.



I donīt think so. The tag only works on your own URL and cuts off the aff_id. So if Iīm using metatgs and keywords for my own URL, you canīt stop me getting traffic for those keywords. The tag only works if I get your URL with my aff_id listed.

"Can this link tag be used to suggest a canonical URL on a completely different domain?
No. To migrate to a completely different domain, permanent (301) redirects are more appropriate. Google currently will take canonicalization suggestions into account across subdomains (or within a domain), but not across domains. So site owners can suggest www.example.com vs. example.com vs. help.example.com, but not example.com vs. example-widgets.com."
Okay Sir, you have proven your point! Excellent response! Very insightful!

smutnut 03-23-2009 05:46 PM
I think it's just time to start finding new sponsors and creating your own exclusive conent

Tempest 03-23-2009 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15658664)
Click around through some Nasty Dollars sites, or really, if you want to see the EFFECT that it has, SEARCH some nasty dollar sites at google.

Notice one thing, there isn't a hint of referral codes anywhere. For example, I searched their new site "hot bush" out and the paysite is 1st and 2nd. Cool enough, click the 'more results' . There is little if any affiliate links in there, and you would think, with thousands of us pointing link power at it, that there would be some.

Well, not any more. If you click through to one of those results and view source you can see the meta below, that tells google that ALL variations of that page are just copies, or lesser versions of the 'main page'. In this case, its the actual page of the site (that we can link to) but without any ref codes.

Code:
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.realitykings.com/hot-bush/home.htm" />
So what this does is tell them that all variations past .../home.htm are to be indexed OR displayed as the main page. Basically locking out any chance of ranking the url for any search term, any weight you push it will only increase the likelihood of the paysites home.htm page turning up.

This isn't about someone taking the 'cumfiesta' search result with their cumfiesta referal code, its about taking 'blowjobs' with their referral code, a search result the paysite most likely would not attain without some proper loving. Real affiliates worked hard to get those results on these sites and they have just had it taken away.

We push as much link juice as we can to some of these sites, and we do it to make both of us money, for them to come underneath and scrape off that link juice and command it to their affiliate free pages fucking pisses me off.

I make a real decent living off of this same method today, I love to rank my referral codes for search terms, and I've got some decent ones. The thought that one of those guys would add something like this to a page to steal my traffic really gets me going.
Companies are stupid that way... Once everyone doing what you're doing stops and moves on to other programs, they lose out in the end. But they'll never grasp that concept.

Tempest 03-23-2009 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BradM (Post 15663943)
No, we are doing it too. And no it has no effect on affiliates. You don't have the right to steal authority and get your ID plugged in for free for organic listings. Don't like it, don't promote people who do this. Nuff said.
You know what.. I've had 100% enough of your fucked up attitude from this and many other threads. Once I get all my traffic redirected to your competitors I'll contact you to close my account... Fuck you.

dav3 03-23-2009 05:57 PM
I'm going through my list of sponsors and see which ones are doing this and who isn't, then drop the ones who are down a couple notches in my promotion.

So far, Streamate also uses the canonical tag, while Webcams.com, ImLive and AWE do not.

Templar 03-23-2009 06:09 PM
Thanks for the post Jdoughs!

xxxjay 03-23-2009 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15658664)
Click around through some Nasty Dollars sites, or really, if you want to see the EFFECT that it has, SEARCH some nasty dollar sites at google.

Notice one thing, there isn't a hint of referral codes anywhere. For example, I searched their new site "hot bush" out and the paysite is 1st and 2nd. Cool enough, click the 'more results' . There is little if any affiliate links in there, and you would think, with thousands of us pointing link power at it, that there would be some.

Well, not any more. If you click through to one of those results and view source you can see the meta below, that tells google that ALL variations of that page are just copies, or lesser versions of the 'main page'. In this case, its the actual page of the site (that we can link to) but without any ref codes.

Code:
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.realitykings.com/hot-bush/home.htm" />
So what this does is tell them that all variations past .../home.htm are to be indexed OR displayed as the main page. Basically locking out any chance of ranking the url for any search term, any weight you push it will only increase the likelihood of the paysites home.htm page turning up.

This isn't about someone taking the 'cumfiesta' search result with their cumfiesta referal code, its about taking 'blowjobs' with their referral code, a search result the paysite most likely would not attain without some proper loving. Real affiliates worked hard to get those results on these sites and they have just had it taken away.

We push as much link juice as we can to some of these sites, and we do it to make both of us money, for them to come underneath and scrape off that link juice and command it to their affiliate free pages fucking pisses me off.

I make a real decent living off of this same method today, I love to rank my referral codes for search terms, and I've got some decent ones. The thought that one of those guys would add something like this to a page to steal my traffic really gets me going.
Use custom link codes, a nollow, or both if you want to keep your link juice. If I were NastyDollars, I'd be wanting to protect my domain names and terms too. I can see both sides of the coin.

MrLuvr 03-23-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 15658664)
We push as much link juice as we can to some of these sites, and we do it to make both of us money, for them to come underneath and scrape off that link juice and command it to their affiliate free pages fucking pisses me off.
.
Why the hell are you pushing link juice to them anyway? Every single one of the affiliate links going out of every one of my sites is a "nofollow".

The only dofollow links are the ones going to my own sites. I would never send link juice to an affiliate link.

spacedog 03-23-2009 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15664789)
Use custom link codes, a nollow, or both if you want to keep your link juice. If I were NastyDollars, I'd be wanting to protect my domain names and terms too. I can see both sides of the coin.
Yeah, but you have no problem whatsoever stepping on those of others via snizzshare, huh?!! :2 cents:
Besides, it has nothing to do with domain or terms..

Just because Sponsor Paysite A should absolutely rank #1 for its domain or name does not mean it should rank for some irrelevant term that affiliate X may have given it via his or her ref link.

Jdoughs 03-23-2009 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 15664871)
Just because Sponsor Paysite A should absolutely rank #1 for its domain or name does not mean it should rank for some irrelevant term that affiliate X may have given it via his or her ref link.
Or for a large volume, highly targeted term that they have no shot in getting unless a sharpshooter comes in with some solid link power to take terms for them.

To the above poster (MrLuvr) asking why why why, if you read this thread and can only think why, you wouldn't understand if I spelled it out in Lego letters for you.

And I do understand the 'both sides' aspect, BUT lets be honest, when dealing with affiliates you want win win situations, not we win, fuck you situations. This wasn't something employed to protect someone from taking the term cumfiesta, this was employed to increase juice to their own pages, that's it.

xxxjay 03-23-2009 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 15664871)
Yeah, but you have no problem whatsoever stepping on those of others via snizzshare, huh?!! :2 cents:
Besides, it has nothing to do with domain or terms..
I don't follow you.

spacedog 03-23-2009 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15665012)
I don't follow you.
Actually, yes you do. Literally at #2 for my domain name :2 cents:

xxxjay 03-23-2009 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 15665015)
Actually, yes you do. Literally at #2 for my domain name :2 cents:
What domain is that? I have no idea what you are talking about. Don't hate a player, hate the game.

Juggernaut 03-23-2009 10:10 PM
Effectively when you sign up to an affiliate program you're promoting them, that's the point, to promote them and make some money off of their work by that single visitor you're sending them from your web site or web page; A. because you think that site is relevant and worth "voting" for, and B. that transaction ends with the single visitor from your source clicking that link (at least that's what search engines think about it).

The canonical tag actually protects their content by telling engines how best to show SERP, and yes it's also the same method you'd use to promote your site if you valued SEO.

This isn't news, I remember seeing quite a few affiliate programs that 301 their referral links and simply store the referral data in either a session or cookie or both to cover the referral... with cookies being valid for x amount of time if THAT visitor revisits.

Actually don't CCBILL program owners almost always redirect their links this way too?

This isn't a SEO trade secret. If you have a site you want promoted, you put this tag in place to verify integrity of your links. I have always thought it was common to consider your referral ID link as SERP unfriendly and not a value worth relying on beyond the click :2 cents:

By the way... why don't you just build your own tour pages if you're that worried about these valuable keywords? most decent programs will allow you to do this, including if I'm not mistaken Nasty Dollars/Bang Bros etc. I know you said it was referring irrelevant terms but if someone thinks that they deserve to be above their sponsor for sponsor specific terms, you're going about it the wrong way.

darksoul 03-24-2009 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 15664615)
I'm going through my list of sponsors and see which ones are doing this and who isn't, then drop the ones who are down a couple notches in my promotion.

So far, Streamate also uses the canonical tag, while Webcams.com, ImLive and AWE do not.
Imlive uses 301 redirects which is basically the same thing.

Jdoughs 04-06-2010 02:22 PM
Roll out stage 2 of the plan.

"Operation yoink domains from affiliates. Begin the search in our own referal logs and start sending emails."

Agent 488 04-06-2010 02:27 PM
that a site uses a canonical tag doesn't mean they are scamming or stealing.


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