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Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-22-2009 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kre8t0r (Post 15661110)
You stand by your post??? Is english your first language? Please re-read the original post and realize you missed by MILES! Try at least getting the relationships right for christ sake before offering up an opinion.. :Oh crap

God the level of pure ignorance in here sometimes really makes me wonder how any of you manage a business! :helpme

Yeah, I was hoping she would have caught on, but she failed... for a 4th time. :Oh crap

AnniKN 03-23-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kre8t0r (Post 15661110)
You stand by your post??? Is english your first language? Please re-read the original post and realize you missed by MILES! Try at least getting the relationships right for christ sake before offering up an opinion.. :Oh crap

God the level of pure ignorance in here sometimes really makes me wonder how any of you manage a business! :helpme

No, English is not my first language, and the tidbits of information he posted lead me to believe that was the whole picture, when I said that I stand by my post I meant that I think the kid needs professional help, not that I knew clearly the whole situation since I got that I misread that.

Pleasurepays 03-23-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 15661062)
Alright, I reread this thread and I want to apologize to everyone for what I said, including you Pleasurepays. I understand what you all mean, but I just didn't want to admit it... Besides the stupid shit he does, and stealing, I see myself in him like I mentioned, and I know he can be a good kid, because I've seen him do very well...

Wow.. i have to say i am really impressed. Thats very good news. We are all fucked up. All of us. The problems arise when someone is not willing to admit it to themselves. It took me a very long time as a young adult to admit my own issues to myself, admit that i needed help and come to terms with the fact that i have a family which is basically a collection of the worst and most toxic personalities imaginable that need to be kept at arms length at all times that did some serious emotional damage. Everyone is better off when someone stops and starts asking "why is this happening", "why does this cycle keep repeating", "why is this person continually doing XYZ", "why do i get extremely angry about...." and so on. That's the only way to find useful answers and improve the situation and become a better person.

When kids are acting out, they are asking for help. The best decision you will make in your relationship with him is to start asking "why he is stealing" rather than "how do i punish him" and that process will lead to both of you being happier and having a stronger relationship.

Thats very good news man!! :)

Twistys Tim 03-23-2009 08:30 AM

You need to tell this young man it is time to 'Wake UP!'

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Sands 03-23-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 15661062)
Alright, I reread this thread and I want to apologize to everyone for what I said, including you Pleasurepays. I understand what you all mean, but I just didn't want to admit it... Besides the stupid shit he does, and stealing, I see myself in him like I mentioned, and I know he can be a good kid, because I've seen him do very well...

For fucks sake, my girlfriend went to Michigan to visit old friends over christmas time and it was just me and him for a week, he was one of the best kids I ever spent time with, we spent most of the time playing xbox and watching tv together...

I just want to see him grow up and be something good, and not worthless like his mother and father are.

Hell yeah, that's the right attitude \m/,

TurboAngel 03-23-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by alias (Post 15659469)
Steal his shit, see how he likes it.

LMFAO!


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Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-23-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15662350)
Wow.. i have to say i am really impressed. Thats very good news. We are all fucked up. All of us. The problems arise when someone is not willing to admit it to themselves. It took me a very long time as a young adult to admit my own issues to myself, admit that i needed help and come to terms with the fact that i have a family which is basically a collection of the worst and most toxic personalities imaginable that need to be kept at arms length at all times that did some serious emotional damage. Everyone is better off when someone stops and starts asking "why is this happening", "why does this cycle keep repeating", "why is this person continually doing XYZ", "why do i get extremely angry about...." and so on. That's the only way to find useful answers and improve the situation and become a better person.

When kids are acting out, they are asking for help. The best decision you will make in your relationship with him is to start asking "why he is stealing" rather than "how do i punish him" and that process will lead to both of you being happier and having a stronger relationship.

Thats very good news man!! :)

See that's why I wanna scare him instead of telling him to goto a therapist, my parents didn't make me go to a therapist. My dad stuck his boot up my ass, and I listened to him, granted not my mother.. haha.. but what really made me change was I always fought in school and we moved and I thought "Hey, I have another chance, and this time I don't want to be known as the kid who fights all the time", so I changed... Seriously, my teacher told my mother that she called my old school after a month of me being there and asked if they sent the wrong transcripts because they were expecting this uncooperative child who they would have a hard time with, but instead got a kid who was always helpful and good.

So I know he can change without needing medication, or some therapist, he just needs the right motivation.

AnniKN 03-23-2009 09:21 AM

What you said about spending time with him over xmas and him being a great kid is probably a great option, when he is given positive attention he doesn't have to do stuff just to get "any" kind of attention :)

kmatic 03-23-2009 09:21 AM

In Saudi Arabia they cut off your hand

Pleasurepays 03-23-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 15662512)
See that's why I wanna scare him instead of telling him to goto a therapist, my parents didn't make me go to a therapist. My dad stuck his boot up my ass, and I listened to him, granted not my mother.. haha.. but what really made me change was I always fought in school and we moved and I thought "Hey, I have another chance, and this time I don't want to be known as the kid who fights all the time", so I changed... Seriously, my teacher told my mother that she called my old school after a month of me being there and asked if they sent the wrong transcripts because they were expecting this uncooperative child who they would have a hard time with, but instead got a kid who was always helpful and good.

So I know he can change without needing medication, or some therapist, he just needs the right motivation.

i am obviously not a psychiatrist... but if there is a agreement that the child is acting out as a result of something going on in his life.. then the "problem" is not the stealing. the problem is whats going on that's causing that symptom. my father was very abusive physically. i am personally not against hitting kids. not because i came from an abusive upbringing, but because i think we've went so far past "protecting children from abuse" that we've basically taken any real consequence out of the equation. but excessive hitting does/can backlash and cause that kid to ultimately have issues with authority, trusting authority, respecting authority etc. particularly when we live in a world that says that if you make the kid unhappy and take away his bowl of ice cream... he can report you for abuse. (meaning the message that YOUR behavior is inappropriate is strongly reinforced to the child outside the home at every turn)

he may just have a compulsive behavior problem (OCD related). it would really take a therapist to sort this out. for example.... maybe he's not really acting out because his parents got divorced or whatever.. maybe he literally has an obsessive compulsive disorder and can't stop himself from stealing things and hoarding them. in any case, punishing the behavior, still doesn't treat the problem.

If there is a concern with taking him to a therapist, maybe you can find someone a professional to talk to and get some advice. i would venture to guess that once you've described everything, the home situation, about him, what he does, what he says about it etc etc etc... .they can tell you pretty definitively what the issue most likely is and what the best course of action is. just bear in mind that you can't punish a heroin addict into not being a heroin addict. a heroin addict needs addiction treatment and therapy to actually get back on track again.... and even then its a tough road. the problem isnt the drug... the problem is the emotional issues the addict is dealing with and the resulting use of the drugs to self medicate.


if all else fails... i would try to have an open and honest conversation that's non confrontational. that's a tough thing to do when everyone is prone to being defensive on all sides of an issue like this and where blame truly lies at everyone's feet. start by letting him know you care about him and think he's a great kid and ease into the subject gently, letting him know that you see a lot of bad behaviors all around you...not just in him, in you, in his parents, grandparents etc and are concerned that it might be affecting him, making him angry etc.

I remember always reacting to aggression with aggression at home. I hated my father who was very abusive and saw everything as "him against me" and had the mentality that i was going to win no matter what, every time. If i got grounded... no tv, no phone, friends etc for a week... i would make it a point to not talk to anyone, not have friends over, play out side etc and come out of my room for a month just "to win". Be aware of the consequences of any action you choose to take and how it might have a negative impact on the issues, him, your relationship with him etc. I think its all a way of asking for help... anyone that steps up and meets that cry for help with a negative response isn't likely to help the problem.

jakethedog 03-23-2009 09:44 AM

I am all about capitol punishment so to speak for stealing .. that and playing with fire ..

I have 4 kids .. the first thing that crossed my mind immediately was to stick his little arms in a vice a break out the hack saw .. seriously wrap his wrists and tell him your going to cut his fucking little stealing hand off.... he will scream .. cry and beg .. allow him ONE chance .. look him right in the face and tell him you have no problem going back to JAIL and will cut his little fucking hand off if he steals again .. !! .. ( of couse not really going to do it .. )

Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-23-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog (Post 15662657)
I am all about capitol punishment so to speak for stealing .. that and playing with fire ..

I have 4 kids .. the first thing that crossed my mind immediately was to stick his little arms in a vice a break out the hack saw .. seriously wrap his wrists and tell him your going to cut his fucking little stealing hand off.... he will scream .. cry and beg .. allow him ONE chance .. look him right in the face and tell him you have no problem going back to JAIL and will cut his little fucking hand off if he steals again .. !! .. ( of couse not really going to do it .. )

Oh man, next time you decide to do that, invite me, I have GOTTA see... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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