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eroticsexxx 03-31-2009 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 15691561)
Again, take any Computer, put mac OSX on it, and you get the exact same results as over paying for the damn box at the store. So go buy yourself a far superior and cheaper PC, double it's speed since the cost is different, and put the far superior mac osx on it, and you have a totally kick ass box that no store bought mac could touch.

Really now...A cheaper box? Where are you going to get the MacOSX from...unless you're a MAC developer? Torrents?

Making a stable hackintosh isn't as simple as grabbing any box and following a few steps. Oftentimes you're still stuck with a particular hardware config. Even the guys and gals over at OSx86 have a recommended HCL database. I built one and was not impressed.

Running emulators (VMware, Pear PC, et al) is not a panacea to installing OSX and having it run properly.

:2 cents:

tony286 03-31-2009 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kesha1 (Post 15691003)
Mac is made by Mac for Mac, but the PC parts are made by anyone who wants to :)

Thank you. If microsoft built the machines and the os. You would hear the same praises.I run Xp and it gives me no problems. Apples are very nice but its like they are fucking you without lube on the prices. Way over priced for the hardware.

potter 03-31-2009 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 15691794)
Really now...A cheaper box? Where are you going to get the MacOSX from...unless you're a MAC developer? Torrents?

Making a stable hackintosh isn't as simple as grabbing any box and following a few steps. Oftentimes you're still stuck with a particular hardware config. Even the guys and gals over at OSx86 have a recommended HCL database. I built one and was not impressed.

Running emulators (VMware, Pear PC, et al) is not a panacea to installing OSX and having it run properly.

:2 cents:

Yup, they're called hackintosh for a reason. I've owned three. Two of them AMD boxes. I had one that ran fairly smooth off a basic install, however a lot of programs would not function until I hacked the drivers and shit. Basically all three had to be chopped to shit with drivers and third party installs to get them running smoothly. The hardest problem I had was definitely getting the video cards to work as they should. Lots of times they were only recognized as 256MB, or would only allow 800x600 res until they were fixed up.

OSX does not run out of the box on just any hardware configuration, and that is a fact.

potter 03-31-2009 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15691802)
Thank you. If microsoft built the machines and the os. You would hear the same praises.I run Xp and it gives me no problems. Apples are very nice but its like they are fucking you without lube on the prices. Way over priced for the hardware.

No, it still wouldn't run as smoothly. There is inherent problems with the operating system still. *NIX is and will always be the best base for a operating system.

Also, Apple's hardware is not overpriced. If you build a windows PC using the same hardware line Apple uses it would come out to the be the same price.

Gerco 03-31-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 15691561)
People, it's NOT the COMPUTER that makes Windows Machines slower, it's Windows. I can take the same Computer (mac or pc), put Mac OSX on it and get the exact same results if it had a mac sticker on it.

Again, take any Computer, put mac OSX on it, and you get the exact same results as over paying for the damn box at the store. So go buy yourself a far superior and cheaper PC, double it's speed since the cost is different, and put the far superior mac osx on it, and you have a totally kick ass box that no store bought mac could touch.

I did this a little while back, but I'm to lazy to get todays price... so deal with it... But, here's a little wake up to all those yelling about how expensive a mac is...


Ok, this is just getting stupid. Lets compare price directly from Dell and Apple shall we? I used the closes configuration so this could be fair...

Ok, So starting with Apple
Configuration
twin 3.2GHz Quad Xeon
2 Gig Ram (Up to 32gb in Machine)
320 Gig HD (Could have up to 4 drives in machine)
1 16x superdrive
Video card, base included ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB
Apple 20' Flat display
Cost=$4,998.00

DELL
Twin 3.16 Quad Xeon x2
2GB Ram (Only shows up to 4 available in configuration)
320GB HD (can have up to 3)
1 16x dvd burner
Video card Base, included 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX570
20" ultrasharp flatscreen (Almost = to Apples display)
Starting Price $5,202
Instant Savings $524
Subtotal $4,678

By my math that a savings of 320 bucks buying the Dell over the apple... But wait..That was AFTER taking 524 bucks OFF dells price cause they happen to have a coupon right now. OK. The the actual price before applying any specials, the Dells more..

It can hold less drives, Hold less memory. The processors are slower...

Shall I go on? If your going to start telling people how much more expensive the apples are you should try to build a base machine that actually somewhat compares to the apple.

TheDoc 03-31-2009 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 15691794)
Really now...A cheaper box? Where are you going to get the MacOSX from...unless you're a MAC developer? Torrents?

Making a stable hackintosh isn't as simple as grabbing any box and following a few steps. Oftentimes you're still stuck with a particular hardware config. Even the guys and gals over at OSx86 have a recommended HCL database. I built one and was not impressed.

Running emulators (VMware, Pear PC, et al) is not a panacea to installing OSX and having it run properly.

:2 cents:

The point still remains, you can take osx, put it on a normal pc, and the machine will bootup and down, at the same rate as a Mac box - or damn close to it.

The speed at which the OS actually performs, wasn't brought into question. I expect issues with installing an off OS onto a PC. Even linux does it, from one box to the next, it's a different setup all the time. That stuff is just expected.

TheDoc 03-31-2009 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerco (Post 15691933)
I did this a little while back, but I'm to lazy to get todays price... so deal with it... But, here's a little wake up to all those yelling about how expensive a mac is...


Ok, this is just getting stupid. Lets compare price directly from Dell and Apple shall we? I used the closes configuration so this could be fair...

Ok, So starting with Apple
Configuration
twin 3.2GHz Quad Xeon
2 Gig Ram (Up to 32gb in Machine)
320 Gig HD (Could have up to 4 drives in machine)
1 16x superdrive
Video card, base included ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB
Apple 20' Flat display
Cost=$4,998.00

DELL
Twin 3.16 Quad Xeon x2
2GB Ram (Only shows up to 4 available in configuration)
320GB HD (can have up to 3)
1 16x dvd burner
Video card Base, included 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX570
20" ultrasharp flatscreen (Almost = to Apples display)
Starting Price $5,202
Instant Savings $524
Subtotal $4,678

By my math that a savings of 320 bucks buying the Dell over the apple... But wait..That was AFTER taking 524 bucks OFF dells price cause they happen to have a coupon right now. OK. The the actual price before applying any specials, the Dells more..

It can hold less drives, Hold less memory. The processors are slower...

Shall I go on? If your going to start telling people how much more expensive the apples are you should try to build a base machine that actually somewhat compares to the apple.

That's a huge price difference seeming both boxes are pretty much ready to go out of the box. Once you drop the crap dell machines and move into hand built machines (something you can't really do with a Mac) - the difference really stands out.

That $500 could double the ram, case size, and add a drive.. or bump the board up, and add in a second video card.

The prices... I can build about two PC's for the price of a Mac... or double the speed of the PC - Which $500 on the just dell, would damn near double it's speed.

master_design 03-31-2009 10:16 AM

Mac Rocks!

potter 03-31-2009 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 15692214)
The prices... I can build about two PC's for the price of a Mac... or double the speed of the PC - Which $500 on the just dell, would damn near double it's speed.

Not if you use the same hardware. Damn, I've had this conversation so many times with people.

Here is a quick basic explanation without going into too much detail to waste my time.

The MOBO Dell uses in their computer: a $70 POS
The MOBO Apple uses in their computer: Intel's best top of the line server MOBO $900

Now, if you go to newegg.com and custom build a PC. Using the same top of the line hardware with the exact same specs as the apple. It'll cost the same. And you really have to get detailed with the specs Most people see "Dual Core 3.0Ghz" and think they're all the same. There are Dual Core 3.0Ghz Intel CPUs that range in price from $200-$900.

It's not hard to understand, you just have to open your eyes a little and understand the "base stats" for the machines they show are not similar in any way and you are comparing apples to oranges.

Janak 03-31-2009 05:32 PM

Apple hardware QC.

collegeboobies 03-31-2009 05:33 PM

50 reason why not

SomeCreep 03-31-2009 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELMY (Post 15688961)
I've been a PC user for the longest time (prior to my beloved Amiga).

Got a Macbook laptop for my wife's bday recently - and I love how when you open/close the lid, the machine turns on/off almost instantly (no warm-up like a PC).

What's the secret? does the instant on/off experience apply to mac machines running WinXP? (i know, i know)

It's all in the coding. Macs are just made better.

Grapesoda 03-31-2009 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELMY (Post 15688961)
I've been a PC user for the longest time (prior to my beloved Amiga).

Got a Macbook laptop for my wife's bday recently - and I love how when you open/close the lid, the machine turns on/off almost instantly (no warm-up like a PC).

What's the secret? does the instant on/off experience apply to mac machines running WinXP? (i know, i know)

RISC processing. reduced instruction set

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