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JFK 04-06-2009 11:57 AM

Fitty Trips to Prague, I wonder if he visted K5 ? :Graucho

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 15711576)
It always strikes me that as an American it is always so interesting to me to hear the European perspective... it's something that the average American can't relate to until they hear it alot. Personally, I would like more substantive conversation like I read in this thread (minus the sarcasm from Pleasurepays). I do agree with the sentiment that Pleasurepays is trying to relate, however. It seems to me that since 1989 the Czech people have been moving more toward the west... and I don't think it's because they love the west so much... but they remember communist rule. Younger people do not remember it... so they protest... it's what young people do as a matter of searching for identity.

They were moving towards west on the paper, but not in real life. Even those "young" people will rather discuss with you for 5 hours than to move their ass and DO something.

That's the attitude here, everyone is super smart, but no one can achieve a shit.

And then they get really frustrated if I tell them that while they were wasting time for three hours with arguing about bullshit their DUMBER (I'm sarcastic here) counterpart in US worked for 3 hours, not only made money, but also gained experience and manifested a sense of duty.

Something that's not in vogue here, and I don't believe it ever will, if 20 years of pseudocapitalism only created another generation that is extremely comfortable with their incompetence and only feels smarter than ever.

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 15711576)
I have been told by alot of different Czech people (and expatriated Russians living in The Czech Republic) that alot of you refer to Americans as "piggy eyed". What exactly does that description mean? Do you view Americans as stupid or just people with eyes like pigs?

I don't know what that means, I try to avoid the "average" Czechs as much as possible.

Manowar 04-06-2009 01:15 PM

awesome pictures man

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15711553)
My observation has always been that there is a very different attitude in Europe that Americans can't (will never) understand. Europe has a very different relationship with "power", "law", "personal rights and freedoms", "authority" and "security" than Americans do. Of course, Europe has a long and dark history of violence, oppression, conquering and being conquered so its perfectly understandable to become a part of culture.

Forgetting all the ignorant stereotypes. People here generally look at law and authority as that "thing" that protects your property and rights. My observation has always been in Europe that its the opposite... that its "that thing" that oppresses you and takes away your rights. People here are far more trusting of power and authority than in Europe... and when i see all this stuff, it always feels to me to be an irrational protest against authority and power, rather than an event which actually addresses the issues in a rational and thoughtful manner.

There's some truth in that, on the other hand, it's a little bit of hysteria in it as well. ok there were 40 years, when you either were with the leading party and misused your position (but at the same time there were indeed also dedicated left wing politicians who didn't steal), or the only other way to make a little bit more was to cheat or to steal.

So, the general attitude is to fuck with everything, to fuck with government, to fuck with taxes etc. and that prevailed, unfortunately, the same people don't realize that if someone wasn't actiually producing something they wouldn't have anything to steal.

And that the guy they hate so much and they envy him his 14 hour work day and having to keep everything running, and that is employing them, needs to make a profit so he can pay for their lazy ass and all those ridiculous over the top social / healthcare fees etc.

Absolutely no sense of self responsibility, they're used to that "someone" has to give them everything, and if not then they shout about their "rights".

About authorities and laws,

Police ?

It's not like in Russia here, police here is the coolest police force I know, never ever had any issue whatsoever with them, and anyone from abroad living here confirms the same, no hassle, every time cool, witty, relaxed.

YET still everyone will feel tough bitching about police, I would be curious, who will they call once someone robs them?

And that's about it - bitching, bitching, whining and bitching and whining, cowardness and no action, speculation instead of confrontation!

Btw. most of those, who shout about their rights are those, who are misusing their rights with milking the pseudo socialistic system / welfare.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15711670)
the problem is "taking the side" - we are small nation even with some potential.Czech used to be in the top 10 of highest economicly developded countries on planet in 1930 but we always needed a "strong brother".

Well, I would argue with you here, although the stats look nice, the poverty of the masses was never worse than between 1918 - 1938, the whole government was actually connected with single one main bank and there was a lot of mess going on.

I don't want to sound left wing here, but the fact that the communists won in legitimate votes in 1945 is extremely logical, considering the conditions of poverty the majority of people lived in.


For example Bata - the genius of business, his brother immediately collaborated with the Third Reich during the World War II?

Ok here's the business scheme:

- 6 days of work a week, sometimes 7

- all money HAVE to be deposited in his own bank so he keeps the credit

- employees can't spend more money than what someone from the company approves them

- no fun allowed, they get their house but no pubs no anything

Let's talk about "rights" let's talk about a human rabbit hunch - I know I'm a bit extreme here but - fucking Bata I would be the first one to kick his ass out of the window

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15711670)
Now we are part of NATO so we should act like team players and say yes to radar. BUT there are very questionable doubts that radar is not NATO stuff - its more like the next step of US own system to control the US interests all around the world.
1 day some1 (united islamic world , maybe china that you owe money to or Russians trying to get their power back) decide to kick your US asses and I can't see any reason why we should be a part of it just because we got some damn radar here.

And that's exactly an illustration of the alibism and cowardness that's typical for the Czech nation - I can take money from EU, I can take money from anyone, but I don't want to get burned if shit hits the fan.

First thing that should come to a mind of a real man, if there will be a conflict between a country that is a long term ally and significant for the western world, and a country that is rather extremist, they should step into the arena to help win the fight.

It's about what do you trust in, if you have faith, if you trust into something, if not - you're dead.

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15711670)
I would be most happy not to take any side but its not so easy I guess

True is that its politics and I don't understand the politics much + find it little bit comic - spend millions of US dollars just to pay all security arrangments of 1 president when there are millions of people suffering with hungry

And what for a ridiculous argument is this, why don't you rather find a little bit comic paying billions of USD every year to the energetic company whole obviously they're turning higher profits than ever - another illustration, bitching about other peoples problems and trying to sound smart, but unable to confront someone fucking your own ass.

That's the overall Czech mentality as I know it.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 15711675)
As a matter of fact... yes they are viewed as liberators... and when I said we liberated europe... I didn't mean to say we did it by ourselves... however, I doubt that it could have been accomplished without our help. We lost alot of American lives in that fight too, you know. My basic point was that greedy war profiteers don't represent the majority of Americans... I also don't want to minimize the losses that the Soviets incurred... which dwarf what the US lost... they lost over 24 million people in WWII. In the end, we lost roughly the same amount of soldiers as civilians that died from Czechoslovakia.

And what would be wrong with that? Thanks for the US help, thanks for the Marshall's plan.

On the other hand, the US forces, apart from Pacific really played only very much minor role in the whole European conflict, obviously, one of the main problems of the Third Reich starting say 1943 after a lot was exhausted on the plan Barbarossa (that I personally believe could still have been won, having Hitler not made crucial mistakes, such as removing Mannstein from charge, and refusing to retreat from Kursk / Stalingrad etc.), was a lack of basic supplies, such as gas.

BTW. that was another reason to attach the Eastern front - to get practically unlimited supplies and being able to continue the war.

Take Ardennes for example, the SS divisions that returned from Normandy to rest were able to win over most of the allies, yet they were not able to move cause they had no gas.

US failed in the invasion on Sicily, not able to get to the alps till the very end of war, while Albert Kesselring and his extremely limited forces were able to hold positions for long, long months.

Total casualties cca 1.5 Mil. including the Pacific war, btw. the overkill ratio between US / Japan was about 1:14 .

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 15712566)
Fitty Trips to Prague, I wonder if he visted K5 ? :Graucho

Nah, Michelle was too prudish.

I wonder what would the code name be if he visited K5 - mighty force one?

:winkwink:

Nydahl 04-06-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15713012)
It's about what do you trust in, if you have faith, if you trust into something, if not - you're dead..

sounds nice but you forgot about the fact that some people simply don't trust neither US neither Russia or maybe neither any of big friends in need.
Some people like me might simply trust in themselfs - existance without such a backup - which is useless in the end anyway.


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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15713012)
And what for a ridiculous argument is this, why don't you rather find a little bit comic paying billions of USD every year to the energetic company whole obviously they're turning higher profits than ever - another illustration, bitching about other peoples problems and trying to sound smart, but unable to confront someone fucking your own ass..

whole this thread you sound like expert in the field of everything - specialy czech republic - maybe you should think before you write your thoughs down.
3 details for you genius
1 - you mix biz and politics
2 - the energy company we talk about here is owned by Czech rep (majority share holder I think but not sure) so it brings money back to treasury.
3 - this political "visit" is payed by tax payers money so its fucking my own ass too - which makes it the same example

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15711614)
the most interesting thing about global security is that the issues are basically long term issues and governments have to convince nations of short term thinkers.

:2 cents:

CarlosTheGaucho 04-06-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15713200)
sounds nice but you forgot about the fact that some people simply don't trust neither US neither Russia or maybe neither any of big friends in need.
Some people like me might simply trust in themselfs - existance without such a backup - which is useless in the end anyway.

Yes, it would be useless in the third Reich too if someone wouldn't believe in certain principles and wouldn't offer help, as your existence most likely wouldn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15713200)
whole this thread you sound like expert in the field of everything - specialy czech republic

Thanks for the compliment, I'm glad that I at least sound like this

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15713200)
- maybe you should think before you write your thoughs down.
3 details for you genius
1 - you mix biz and politics

A rather logical mix I would say?

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15713200)
2 - the energy company we talk about here is owned by Czech rep (majority share holder I think but not sure) so it brings money back to treasury.

And that's even more ridiculous, so out of say 200 billions profits, if the goverrnment owns 50 pct. you pay them another 100 billions of " extra taxes" in overpriced energy, ingenious isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Nydahl (Post 15713200)
3 - this political "visit" is payed by tax payers money so its fucking my own ass too - which makes it the same example

Why don't you protest in front of the US embassy against the fact, that the diplomatic visits are paid by the guest country?

Seriously, this is ridiculous.

dr. Gonzo 04-06-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15712852)
I don't know what that means, I try to avoid the "average" Czechs as much as possible.

What are you doing here in the first place? Do you consider it normal to be so negative towards a nation and on top of that tell them what to do with their national security? Why don't you just go somewhere where you like people more, where they live up to your high standards? Are you forced to stay, or what? This is the way they live, and maybe it's up to them to decide whether they want to spend the day at work or in the pub. Maybe if more people would be a bit more laid back like this, there would be less suffering and injustice in the world, how about that?

I dunno whom I would avoid first, the average Czech or the average American.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15713642)
...and maybe it's up to them to decide whether they want to spend the day at work or in the pub. Maybe if more people would be a bit more laid back like this, there would be less suffering and injustice in the world, how about that?

well... one could argue that this is the problem couldn't they? Hitler was arming himself against all agreements while everyone was at the pub enjoying themselves. Japan was arming themselves against all agreements while everyone was saying "its not our problem".

Evil is not a fungus that grows in the darkness.

Evil is an oak tree, growing over time, right in front of everyone, in the brightest sunshine, while everyone says "well... maybe it won't really get that big" - in the meantime, it always had one single objective and has always worked methodically towards that objective while others hope for the best, only to realize the worst in the end.

Against every agreement and international sanction for the last 20 plus years, N Korea is developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to sell to the worst rogue governments on the planet, terrorists and anyone with hard cash. They can only do that because people with your mindset are saying "so what, leave them alone... who are we to judge"

Iran is doing the same while threatening the world at the same time

Pakistan is on the verge of being overran by radical islamic fundamentalists who want to see you dead because your wife doesn't wear a burka.

Syria is busy aiding any terrorist organization they can.

You have no problem watching genocide unfold in Africa.

The end result not taking threats seriously, will be the unthinkable. Iran might one day launch nukes at Israel killing millions. Or maybe we'll all just get lucky and someone like Al Queda will go after a soft target like Prague with a suitcase nuke, only taking out a 2-3km radius, while your busy relaxing at the pub.

I love Czech women and Czech beer... there are certainly worse ways to go!

"You may not want war... but war wants you"

CarlosTheGaucho 04-07-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15713642)
What are you doing here in the first place?

"business" (I don't like to call adult "business") but obviously women and beer are pretty much the only things of value here

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15713642)
Do you consider it normal to be so negative towards a nation and on top of that tell them what to do with their national security?

And why not, what I sure DON'T consider normal, is to be a mediocre individual without social skills, trying to sound overly smart - as most of the people here, where did the common sense go? .

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15713642)
Why don't you just go somewhere where you like people more, where they live up to your high standards?

That's my plan, but only at the moment when new stuff is built and functional and I am sure I have the right person to keep an eye on things here.

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15713642)
Are you forced to stay, or what? This is the way they live, and maybe it's up to them to decide whether they want to spend the day at work or in the pub. Maybe if more people would be a bit more laid back like this, there would be less suffering and injustice in the world, how about that?

Annoying simulants, that's what most of them are, the problem is, I don't care, I let them live, I ignore them, but why do THEY start to pick on you?

Do they have so boring lives they need to annoy others?

Well, probably I can understand, one needs to engage himself somehow, and if you're a dedicated loser, than you have to display your issues somehow.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-07-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15714162)

Against every agreement and international sanction for the last 20 plus years, N Korea is developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to sell to the worst rogue governments on the planet, terrorists and anyone with hard cash. They can only do that because people with your mindset are saying "so what, leave them alone... who are we to judge"

Iran is doing the same while threatening the world at the same time

Pakistan is on the verge of being overran by radical islamic fundamentalists who want to see you dead because your wife doesn't wear a burka.

Syria is busy aiding any terrorist organization they can.

You have no problem watching genocide unfold in Africa.

That's pretty much it,

The clash with the third world is more or less inevitable.

The question is who to use for the cover, as far as there's still a lot of petro oil money deposited in the western banks, and I don't think NATO will want to "officially" start any conflict.

The obvious answer would be - Israel.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-07-2009 12:23 AM

Btw. I don't think pacifists ever avoided any war.

dr. Gonzo 04-07-2009 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15714964)
And why not, what I sure DON'T consider normal, is to be a mediocre individual without social skills, trying to sound overly smart - as most of the people here, where did the common sense go?

As most of the people EVERYWHERE. I don't think you will ever find a nation smart enough so that you can live in peace with it :pimp Maybe some eugenics from the much-mentioned Reich will help, otherwise I don't see any way for you to live among people of overwhelming brightness.

dr. Gonzo 04-07-2009 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15714162)
Against every agreement and international sanction for the last 20 plus years, N Korea is developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to sell to the worst rogue governments on the planet, terrorists and anyone with hard cash. They can only do that because people with your mindset are saying "so what, leave them alone... who are we to judge"

It's not my mindset, it's just that I have bigger problem than you labelling people 'evil' when western media tells me to do so. And this media has got very good at disguising greed-driven carnage often initiated and promoted by your 'civilized' nations as fight against evil, terrorists, 'rogue states', whatever. Just because the sheep watching TV need an enemy. But is the enemy that different anyway?

Well, maybe it really is a mindset dating back from world war II in eastern europe when there were no good and no bad, every army swept through a country like a hurricane, raping and killing, be it the soviets, the germans, the partisans (including Jewish partisans played by Daniel Craig in his latest movie), anybody. You as a regular person without too much power will end up screwed in this game anyway because this is not your game and you don't know the fucking rules, so I don't really see any point in being an ardent supporter of one side like you suggest.

Pleasurepays 04-07-2009 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15715194)
It's not my mindset, it's just that I have bigger problem than you labelling people 'evil' when western media tells me to do so. And this media has got very good at disguising greed-driven carnage often initiated and promoted by your 'civilized' nations as fight against evil, terrorists, 'rogue states', whatever. Just because the sheep watching TV need an enemy. But is the enemy that different anyway?

Sure the enemy is different. they have different objectives. theirs clashes with yours. radical Islam is "different" because they want you dead. they are different because they want to die killing you. you are different because you want to live. you are different because you want them to live.

You say i "label people as evil" - but what about evil people? you can't categorically reject the notion that awful people exist and they want to cause as much death and carnage as they can... and that they are going to lash out at any chance they get? or quickly dismiss the actions, behavior and overt threats of rogue nations and terrorist states just because you hate the media.

In the big picture, there is no good and bad in people,... only collective interests. everyone's interests can't always be aligned all the time. That is the problem. Security and safety as a nation comes from making sure your own interests are protected for both the short and long term.

Either you are playing offense or defense in the game of global security and politics. You've chosen defense. That's why someone who thinks like that will always be in the weaker position. You understand that getting in the ring and boxing is a fact of life... but you don't want to throw a punch, you don't want to hurt anyone and your just hoping the other person will "see if your way". Because of your noble intent...its just a matter of time before you get knocked out.

I don't like the fact that we have to have a massive military. I sincerely don't. But is a simple fact of life. People want to do you harm. No matter how perfect you are, how noble you are, how generous you are... people want to hurt you. They want to, if for no other reason, than you are a symbol of something they don't like or that you are the antithesis of what they are. Just as you accuse Bush or the "western media" of needing an enemy... never forget that every narcissistic, megalomaniac, psychopathic who's ready to make a bloody grab for power also needs an enemy.. whether its "Jews" or "the great satan USA" or you, simply because you're not a devout Muslim. and you don't get to choose who will like you and who wont and why. You might wake up one day and find a school with over 1000 kids has been filled with bombs as what happened in Beslan... or you might be "relaxing at the pub in Bali", when it explodes into a massive fire ball. The list is long... of people who just wanted to mind their own business and "not get involved" and they are usually the ones who pay the highest price for their kindness, their compassion for others and for their naivety.

i understand your concerns.

But remember... its one thing to question what your told. Its another thing entirely, to categorically reject what your told.

Pleasurepays 04-07-2009 05:40 AM

Please don't think i am criticizing you Dr Gonzo... you're entitled to believe whatever you want to believe. I am always interested in human behavior and our basic flaws that drive us to both victimize others and allow ourselves to be victimized by others. At our core, we are self destructive by design and I do believe that humanity will wipe itself out one day.

CarlosTheGaucho 04-08-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. Gonzo (Post 15715185)
As most of the people EVERYWHERE. I don't think you will ever find a nation smart enough so that you can live in peace with it :pimp Maybe some eugenics from the much-mentioned Reich will help, otherwise I don't see any way for you to live among people of overwhelming brightness.

I don't see any point in you trying to care about my well being.

Thanks for the concerns though.

:)

CarlosTheGaucho 04-08-2009 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15715383)
In the big picture, there is no good and bad in people,... only collective interests. everyone's interests can't always be aligned all the time. That is the problem. Security and safety as a nation comes from making sure your own interests are protected for both the short and long term.

That's what I use to say too, no one understands, they thing I'm "bad"

:)

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15715383)
Either you are playing offense or defense in the game of global security and politics. You've chosen defense. That's why someone who thinks like that will always be in the weaker position. You understand that getting in the ring and boxing is a fact of life... but you don't want to throw a punch, you don't want to hurt anyone and your just hoping the other person will "see if your way". Because of your noble intent...its just a matter of time before you get knocked out.

great analogy

CarlosTheGaucho 04-08-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15715585)
At our core, we are self destructive by design and I do believe that humanity will wipe itself out one day.

Well, I definitely agree.

The basic fact is that all the "humanity" is absolutely against the basic principles of nature, against the principles that work.

SpicyM 04-08-2009 01:38 AM

Mishel is cute, I could sure give her some happy meal

CarlosTheGaucho 04-08-2009 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 15720203)
Mishel is cute, I could sure give her some happy meal

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"Happy meal" - can I use the phrase?

Roby 04-08-2009 02:28 AM

great pics thanks !!!

SpicyM 04-08-2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 15720211)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"Happy meal" - can I use the phrase?

:warning no way, its my personal copyright.. :1orglaugh

CarlosTheGaucho 04-08-2009 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 15720299)
:warning no way, its my personal copyright.. :1orglaugh

Ok

:winkwink:


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